You've gotta laugh. One semi decent game against the shit that we are and people prefer him to established Premier league players who who were great last season.
Valentino Livramento
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Don't take it too personally. The coaching is a credit to the club and the oil money investment it was made with.
I'm just disagreeing with you mate.
They probably must be following him (Portugal). They also are following Fabio Carvalho from Fulham, but he is already playing for England Youth Teams.
In the past they only gave atention to players with portuguese family connections in France or Switzerland but I have a feeling players developed in England will be closely followed, I suspect there are more to watch, particularly those whose families went to the London area.
If I was Carvalho I would stay with England, even if the competition is big, don't like very much this recent "dispute" in Europe regarding players with double nationality, but that's another conversation.
Question is, why aren't we? I thought the youth system was one area where we were excelling but going by these posts and the U18 hammering the other day, we've fallen behind in yet another aspect?
Other clubs do have limited resources though and the pressures of improving the first team are high.
Might just comes down to money? We had one or two former players, can't remember who exactly, who sent their kids to City's academy instead of United's. It's no secret that City have pumped huge amounts into their academy facilities over the last 10 years. I'd imagine Chelsea did something similar, only it took a while for the 10 year olds they recruited to come through, and many are now coming through in spades.
Not sure on the state of the under 18s currently but we have had decent success with youth players and have some good ones out on loan, but obviously not at the same level as Chelsea over the last couple of years. Doubt the Glazers have ever bothered about upgrading the academy given the indifference regarding stadium repairs.
I mean I agree - was he really that good vs us? Hardly felt his force on the opposite side.
I think Carvalho will play for Portugal. He was born in Portugal to Portuguese parents but has lived in England since age 11. He's also been involved with training camps for Portugal before. He looks a real talent and has started the season brilliantly so I think that both England and Portugal will call him up this week. Livramento is different in that he's born and raised here with an English parent but he said he supported both England and Portugal as a kid.
England had a dual called Etienne Green declare for them over France yesterday, his statement was this:
I was born in England but have lived in Saint-Étienne since the age of four. My mother is French and my father is English. It’s like asking someone to choose between their parents. After letting some time pass, I finally made the decision to put myself at the disposal of the English Federation. It’s not a rational or opportunistic choice, [they’re] two great countries, two great teams, that have always made me dream
In a multicultural world this will become more and more common, it's hard for the players involved I think. For someone like Carvalho it's a lot more difficult to keep travelling to Portugal to play football when you're at school than it is to travel for England.
I don't know what other clubs do with their academies to be fair. Somebody wanted to focus on the money poured into improving the facilities at Chelsea etc, which, granted, has been a big factor, and I wanted the good coaching, which is the biggest factor here, to be the focus of the conversation. That's all this was.
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That's what I was inferring, we don't invest as much as the oil clubs do all round. When Abramovich first came in, Chelsea's facilities were lagging behind United and Arsenal and he got them to the place it was above them and has invested in coaching as well.
Obviously the coaching of the young players is a big factor but with the oil money and the essentially the investment all round, it's a bit moot.
He's brilliant.
We should absolutely buy him without any delay. If we have any plan of playing wingbacks with whichever manager, he would be absolutely marvellous.
But regardless, we need an attacking RB and with Chelsea, Liverpool and City already sorted at that position, we can easily go for him and bag ourselves a fantastic talent.
We should absolutely buy him without any delay. If we have any plan of playing wingbacks with whichever manager, he would be absolutely marvellous.
But regardless, we need an attacking RB and with Chelsea, Liverpool and City already sorted at that position, we can easily go for him and bag ourselves a fantastic talent.
Chelsea have a buyout on him.
They have James already so can let him go.
Not for £25m they won't. Pretty sure they'll buy him back and then sell him on for £50m+ - and there'll be other shoppers in the market then.
Interesting. We can use a right back.
They’ll sign him back and Gallagher returns this summer and they’ll sell both for massive profit
His name sounds like one of those in-built generic footballers that pop-up in PES/FIFA.
I think Laird is coming up nicely and doing very well at Swansea, if he keeps it up and stays fit, next season he can compete with AWB
But why would the player agree to that?
A lot of Chelsea fans think that long term James will go to RCB as he isn't that quick and has good feet (like Azpilicueta) and that they'll get Livra back to play RWB.
Plays like a wonderkid regen too
20 stamina for sure.The player doesn't have to know what the club is actually planning. They'll get him back under the guise of playing for the PL champions, he won't see much game time till Christmas and they sell him in the winter for profit.
This is what I feared when we let him go. That he'd up at United or City within 18 months. He's an absolute gem. Lamptey too, but Livramento is a notch above. England will have to regularly choose between him, James and TAA very soon. Insane depth in that position.
We need to stop overhyping our youngsters. There's a reason why they go to the likes of MK Dons and Swansea while Chelsea's youngsters walk into PL sides at a younger age. Our loan contribution to the PL this season is so bad he can't even get into the Norwich defence.
He'd be a complete moron to think he's getting game time at Chelsea anytime soon.
Fantastic prospect (same with Lamptey), just a shame they're all right backs!
Chelsea do it all time. He’s not the first and absolutely won’t be the last
I'm fairly certain that you will struggle to sell a player to another club without the player noticing.
Didnt he just sign with a long contract?
Laird is a really good talent as well. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him being a top player. He’s been very injury prone so far which has set him back. Livramento to is the better talent though.
We won't always play a back 3, but yeah if we do, that seems like an ideal solution. But Livramento already turned his back on whenever plans Chelsea were selling him. The club tried very hard to keep him but he wasn't interested in tussling with James in 2 years time when he could walk into a PL team right now. He won't be easy to convince to return home if James is still here doing bits.
We've never re-signed a young player who left to play games.
I'm sure we'd like to but there's more chance of us re-signing Salah.
He’s English?! Fantastic name.
Very unfair on Laird, he had a lot of injuries, only in Jan 2021 he got to play consistently with MK Dons & Swansea, not saying he is better than Livraminto, but he's got bags of potential, and he is the only one I think can make the jump to our 1st team next season if keeps doing well where he is at.
Similar situation to Lamptey then.
Pretty much identical. Quite annoying!
Oh wait - he was sold, thought he was on loan?
Did he turn his back or did he just want to take control of his situation and not allow Chelsea the power to decide where he is loaned too? I mean the buyout tells me that the door isn't completely closed as otherwise they probably would've done a sell on like the did with Guehi.
His contract was running out and he rejected an extension because he knew he wouldn't play at Chelsea and didn't want to join our "loan army". We sold him for £5 mil with a buyback.
Smart kid. Is it known how high the buyback is?