We have Rooney, Scholes and Ronaldo. More then adequate. Besides which Lyon have no Ronaldinho or Zidane, they were as attacking a side as Barcelona.CnutOfAllCnuts said:
I will refer you back to FH's post.
Utd Sign Carrick
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I will refer you back to FH's post.
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Unfortunetly top class football does not work to such basic techniques!
Fortitude said:
Your right again fortitude, to play without a defensive midfield is asking for trouble. Ideally to have a DM a passer like Carrick and then a truly great attacking midfielder. Rooney would be the best in the world in this position if we tried him there. Supported by two wingers who can beat men and a fast strong striker like eto for example you pretty much have a unbeatable team at the top level in europe at the moment.
RooneyDevil8 said:Im going to cry. We are WASTING £17 million on a half decent player at best. What would Roy Keane say?
Carrick is far better player than you all give him credit for!!!!
Already proven PL quality at 25, with so much more potential
How much football do people on here watch.
People rant & rave about such players as pirlo. F**K add an o to his
name & you d love him.
Trust SAF
With better players around him, he will be class. If stevie G keeps his
form? Lampard will lose his automatic england bearth.
Give the lad a chance
Simple football is the way game should be played, be it Sunday League or Premier League. The more you complicated things the harder the game becomes.
Paul Scholes.tilo said:
As you said ideally it would be a defensive midfilder(like Mascherano), Carrick and Scholes. One breaks things up, the second dictates play from deep and the other bombs forward and creates.
Infact i can hardly think of a team around which doesnt have a purely defensive midfielder, whether they have a Ronaldhinio/Zidane or not.
Guvnorgaz said:
Ex-fecking-actly, haven't you lot learnt anything from Kuszczak's situation? You can never be sure of player's capture, I'll be fully certain about his transfer one he's been presented as a United player.
amolbhatia100 said:
Its clear that you need one, from a theoritical point of view it makes the most sense. The space between the midfield and defense is where all teams should try and get to and as a defending team you must do everything so that your defenders are not exposed by the midfield and made move position.
It's one thing to stay back (which Carrick will do). It's a totally different thing to have the defensive positioning and know-how to either slow the attacking team down enough for your other midfielders to get back, or to force the attacking team to one side with no real chance to cut it back inside. Carrick doesn't have the ability to do this regularly against teams who thrust forward fast and with purpose.CnutOfAllCnuts said:
If deep-lying playmakers are good enough to be used as the main holding midfielder simply because of the fact they sit deep, why do Milan waste a spot on Gattuso when Pirlo could do the job? Why did Benitez sign Sissoko when Alonso is more than enough? Why has Vieira gone through four different defensive midfielders at two different clubs (Petit, Edu, Gilberto and Emerson) when he could do it all himself (I don't think anybody would dispute that he's better defensively than Carrick). Why did Real Madrid suddenly implode when they sold Makelele? Why do every top team in the world use a holding midfielder?
Using a defensive midfielder doesn't make you a defensive team. Used the right way it allows your other players to concentrate more on their attacking duties. Barca, Arsenal, Lyon - they all use them and are probably the three most attractive attacking teams in the world at the moment. In fact, they all play a defensive midfielder next to an all-round midfielder, which according to some would make us a boring team with not enough goals from the centre of midfield. Those three are prime examples of how it should work - not the defensive versions that Chelsea, Liverpool and the Italians use.
I think it's Mozza who keeps throwing out the line about us never having played with wingers who ignore their defensive duties. Nobody ever said anything about completely ignoring them; it's simply that with a proper defensive midfielder behind them they won't have to do as much defensive work as they will with a combo of Carrick-Scholes, which therefore allows them to be in better position and more of an attacking threat on a consistent basis.
Fergie - United 'close to Carrick deal'
United 'close to Carrick deal'
United are close to finalising a deal for Tottenham midfielder Michael Carrick, according to Sir Alex Ferguson.
Speculation in Friday's tabloids claimed that a deal to bring the 25-year-old England international to Old Trafford was set to be announced.
When asked by MUTV about the alleged move, Sir Alex replied: "We're close to that. There have been some agreements on part of it but I think it’s to be finalised over the day or so.”
The Gaffer also went on to deny rumours of a swoop for Carrick's club and international team-mate Jermain Defoe, and admitted he is less than hopeful about signing Milan midfielder Gennaro Gattuso.
“Well there has been no interest from us on the Tottenham situation," he said. "We made a move for Carrick and that’s the only thing we did, that was the only player of interest to us at this moment in time.
"I think it will stay that way. I’ve got young Rossi to consider and I want to see him progress as a centre forward. He;s more likely to be staying here now.
"With Gattuso, we were always waiting to see what happened to AC Milan and now they're in the European Cup and still in Serie A, there’s very little chance of progress as he’s such an important player for them.”
United 'close to Carrick deal'
United are close to finalising a deal for Tottenham midfielder Michael Carrick, according to Sir Alex Ferguson.
Speculation in Friday's tabloids claimed that a deal to bring the 25-year-old England international to Old Trafford was set to be announced.
When asked by MUTV about the alleged move, Sir Alex replied: "We're close to that. There have been some agreements on part of it but I think it’s to be finalised over the day or so.”
The Gaffer also went on to deny rumours of a swoop for Carrick's club and international team-mate Jermain Defoe, and admitted he is less than hopeful about signing Milan midfielder Gennaro Gattuso.
“Well there has been no interest from us on the Tottenham situation," he said. "We made a move for Carrick and that’s the only thing we did, that was the only player of interest to us at this moment in time.
"I think it will stay that way. I’ve got young Rossi to consider and I want to see him progress as a centre forward. He;s more likely to be staying here now.
"With Gattuso, we were always waiting to see what happened to AC Milan and now they're in the European Cup and still in Serie A, there’s very little chance of progress as he’s such an important player for them.”
cards still close to chest!!
Very open for Sir Alex that, not usually so open about transfers.
MadDogg said:
Why do they play Gattuso/Sissoko and the likes? Becuase those players aren't good enough defesivley, Carrick is.
Carrick isn't an allrounder, so if combined with another midfielder that won't get forward thats a central midfield that no goal threat at all
I don't think its worth sacrificing the central midfields attack to get a little from the wingers
Mozza said:
Do you think Carrick is better defensively than Vieira, hence Vieira needing a defensive midfielder and Carrick not?
Guvnorgaz said:
or is he?
18m for Carrick? Might as well offer 20m for Mascherano.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5222956.stm
Man Utd agree price for Carrick
Carrick has been a long-time Man Utd target
Tottenham midfielder Michael Carrick is set to join Manchester United on Monday after the clubs agreed a fee for the 25-year-old midfielder.
A statement read: "Manchester United and Tottenham can confirm that they have agreed terms for the transfer.
"The transfer is conditional upon the player agreeing personal terms and he will also be required to pass a medical that will take place on Monday."
The fee has not been disclosed but is believed to be close to £18m.
Man Utd agree price for Carrick
Carrick has been a long-time Man Utd target
Tottenham midfielder Michael Carrick is set to join Manchester United on Monday after the clubs agreed a fee for the 25-year-old midfielder.
A statement read: "Manchester United and Tottenham can confirm that they have agreed terms for the transfer.
"The transfer is conditional upon the player agreeing personal terms and he will also be required to pass a medical that will take place on Monday."
The fee has not been disclosed but is believed to be close to £18m.
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=406348&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=2&title=UNITED+AGREE+CARRICK+FEE
Manchester United have agreed a fee with Tottenham for Michael Carrick.
The England midfielder now looks set to complete his protracted move to Old Trafford just as soon as he undergoes a medical and agrees personal terms.
"Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur can confirm that they have agreed terms for the transfer of the registration of Michael Carrick conditional upon the player agreeing personal terms with Manchester United," read a club statement.
"He shall also be required to pass a medical that will take place on Monday."
More to follow
Manchester United have agreed a fee with Tottenham for Michael Carrick.
The England midfielder now looks set to complete his protracted move to Old Trafford just as soon as he undergoes a medical and agrees personal terms.
"Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur can confirm that they have agreed terms for the transfer of the registration of Michael Carrick conditional upon the player agreeing personal terms with Manchester United," read a club statement.
"He shall also be required to pass a medical that will take place on Monday."
More to follow
kanchelskis14 said:
Equal, Vieira can tackle better, but Carrick is far more comfortable with just sitting and protecting his back 4, Vieira wants to push up
We signed Carrick, now it's time for a defensive midfielder and I would say that our midfield is as good as Chelsea's.
Dimwit. I suppose Rijkaard in his day couldn't defend?....Mozza said:
Please!Mozza said:
Anyone who watched the last Tottenham match against Arsenal could see the damage Carrick inflicted on their back four and midfield whenever he bust forward in the first half. And that FFS was the best defence in Europe last summer in the Champion's league! Besides if Carrick was given the responsibility of attacking gungho helping a quality dm defensively from time to time I doubt he would mind. and with his shooting power it's only a matter of time before he would become accurate and start scoring goals from his shooting. Plus his distribution is brilliant and dribbling skill assured. Your argument is baseless really
In fairness, Arsenal were mostly terrified of getting forward in Europe, otherwise their defence isn't that threatening a prospect
Sarni said:
Well hopefully the agent talks were ture and we will be signing Maskerano aswell!!!
"United insist the fee for the 25-year-old Geordie is nowhere near £17m. And Fergie hopes Carrick will be involved at the Amsterdam tournament which starts Friday."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006340794,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006340794,00.html
Carrick's Tackling completion rate last year was at 74% last season, passing was at 80%.
There can't of been too many central midfielders better than that last season.
There can't of been too many central midfielders better than that last season.
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:Please!
90% of his game is played infront of the back 4, making a couple of runs doesn;t mean he's capeable of it for a whole match.
Stobzilla said:
According to stats Heskey was once one of the deadliest strikers in the EPL
Im not saying that Carrick is not a good player, in fact he is a good player. Im just saying that he isnt a defensive midfielder.
Just because Alan Smith spent the whole of last season as a DM doesn't mean he can't play upfront. Ditto just because Carrick didn't spend whole games, because of Jol's tactics, attacking in the opponents half, doesn't mean he is incapable of it. The lad has an awesome engine. Under SAF's guidance my money is on him becoming better than Gerrard in 2 season's time as an AM. For me he doesn't need to be shackled with silly defensive duties like 'intercepting balls" infront of his back four. He would be far better employed passing the ball to his hearts content from anywhere where desires with a real beast of a tackler alongside him winning back every single ball. Also he would be able to intercept balls further upfield making it had for most teams to venture out of their halves. Thus declares the chiefMozza said:
please! Get your stats correct. He had the lowest tackles success rate among English central midfielders from prominent sides. Even Hargreaves who played far less games out stripped him in that departmentStobzilla said:
How well this signing works out depends on our next move in the transfer market. We'll need a energetic ball winner beside Carrick to make up for his lack of mobility and tackling abilities.
But after the fleecing we've just received, I won't be surprised if Carrick's our only midfield signing this summer.
But after the fleecing we've just received, I won't be surprised if Carrick's our only midfield signing this summer.
Keilyn27 said:
It also depends, at least to some extent, on IF it actually happens. Don't ya think ?
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:please! Get your stats correct. He had the lowest tackles succes rate among Englsih central midfielders from promminent sides. Even Hargreaves who played far less games out stripped him in that department
If you would like to argue with the OPTA index, be my guest, im merely quoting what i heard on sky sports.
and your a cnut who knows nothing of football, why you plague these forums is a question many of us are still asking ourselves.
Stupid and ignorant son of a bitch.Stobzilla said:
I merely pointed out the FACT the you should fecking get your stats right and you call me a cnut who doesn't no football? Especially when I posted OPTA INDEX stats on Carrick and all England's top English central midfielders from the Sky Sports website in an earlier thread on Hargreaves being linked with United and they totally differ from your obvious lies! Which you freaking claim" I heard on skysports" you pmpous piece of arrogant shit!!! So you stinking mother fecker either get you fecking stats right or never post again cause this forum is better off without arseholes like you and Guvorgonaz posting lies and rubbish and when it is pointed out to you can only resort to abuse when football is clearly a thing you have never EVER understood yet try to come off as a guru. Offence taken and plenty intended. feck you very much says the chief.Im going to cry. We are WASTING £17 million on a half decent player at best. What would Roy Keane say?
worth no more than £6 million! hes clearly an average player and we could do better than that. I'd rather keep Fletcher in the team rather than waste all this money on the overpriced overrated Carrick.
- One of the clubs greatest ever goalscorers [is gone]
*Relegation battle for us next season*
Fortitude everything you have said has been spot on! Fight the madness!
Yesterday's lineup:
-----------------Tevez------------------
---------Ronaldo------------------------
Nani-------Scholes------Carrick------Park
Evra---Brown-----Ferdinand---Hargreaves
--------------Van Der Sar---------------
Scholes-Carrick in the middle.
United in Moscow.
End of.
Credit to Boring for fighting the good fight against the staggering idiocy in that thread.
FFS you fat cnut,don't you have anything better to do than just bump threads, trying to insult other members,making ironic/funny(not) statements......etc all the time?
I was bored today, and reading some of the posts in this thread made me laugh.
Amazing when you look back on it, and even more amazing that someone posted in the forum yesterday that Carrick shouldn't play in Moscow
Something vexing thee?
Most non United fans still dont rate him.
Total rubbish.
I was browsing an Arsenal forum recently, and there was a thread title something like 'English player you'd most want at Arsenal', I expected to see it full of Rooney, Cole, Terry etc. But it seemed as if Carrick was a clear favourite.