US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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I doubt your first question will even be raised.

I'll be amazed if the Eurozone situation isn't addressed. Apart from maybe the budget deficit and national debt, it's the single biggest issue surrounding America's economy at the moment. US contributions are looking increasingly necessary.
 
I'll be amazed if the Eurozone situation isn't addressed. Apart from maybe the budget deficit and national debt, it's the single biggest issue surrounding America's economy at the moment. US contributions are looking increasingly necessary.

You'd hope, but this is Iowa. It'll be Israel, Iran and Kenya!
 
I'll be amazed if the Eurozone situation isn't addressed. Apart from maybe the budget deficit and national debt, it's the single biggest issue surrounding America's economy at the moment. US contributions are looking increasingly necessary.

This is European politics we're talking about, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.
 
I always look for when Rick Perry makes a zinger and gives that self-satisfied, shit-eating grin to the audience. He cracks me up.

$50 says they sing the national anthem at the start.
 
Newt: Obama's ideology is radical.

What's that then, radically sensible? Radically centrist?
 
Ron Paul wants to cut $1 trillion from the budget in the first year! That's about 30% of the budget.
 
Rick Perry now talking about Baseball...
 
Constitution, bla bla bla.

That is where Gingrich would lose the independents, and Bachman's idea that the judiciary is supposed to be the weakest branch is absurd - the executive is supposed to be.

What part of, congress writes legislation, the president runs the country, and the courts ensure they keep to the law do they not understand?
 
Such an idea would scare the hell out of me if it was proposed here.
 
Wow! Ron Paul was amazing in this debate. He's a principled man who knows more about justice and the Constitution than all of them. That exchange on Iran was fantastic.
 
Wow! Ron Paul was amazing in this debate. He's a principled man who knows more about justice and the Constitution than all of them. That exchange on Iran was fantastic.

Yeah, despite being a radical lefty I cant help but like Ron Paul. His fiscal and economical policies are just as crazy as they are unfair, but his take on foreign policy is more sensible that any US presidential candidate I've known. He also seems to be the most honest and consistent of candidates who's positions have remainded largely unchanged over decades - whether thats a good thing or not is subjective I suppose, but he does have that genuineness about him.

I've always said that from a selfish, outsider point of view I would have a President Paul over a President Obama any day of the week.
 
Paul's a masochist. "We're a horrible nation, we make everyone else angry at us, it's not their fault, it's ours" bla bla bullshit. Paul, if you don't like America, you can get out
 
I liked his quip about welfare and warfare - he was absolutely right about one thing, that the United States cannot afford its military commitments.
 
Paul's a masochist. "We're a horrible nation, we make everyone else angry at us, it's not their fault, it's ours" bla bla bullshit. Paul, if you don't like America, you can get out

He's not exactly wrong though is he, the US's foreign policy has tainted the country's reputation. The domestic terror risks they face is entirely their own fault, saying that doesn't make him an masochist but rather a realist.
 
He's not exactly wrong though is he, the US's foreign policy has tainted the country's reputation. The domestic terror risks they face is entirely their own fault, saying that doesn't make him an masochist but rather a realist.

Its not the U.S.'s fault either. Its the most powerful country in the world and is incentivized to act the way it does by the international system.
 
Its not the U.S.'s fault either. Its the most powerful country in the world and is incentivized to act the way it does by the international system.

There's a different between eliciting a global presence as a super power, and being an aggressive interventionist state. The US in the last couple of decades has been steering towards the latter which not only taints its rep, but also puts its civilians within her borders at risk.

Ron Paul gets a lot of flack for admitting that but he's not wrong, its just a tough pill to swallow for hawkish republicans and even progressive dems.
 
There's a different between eliciting a global presence as a super power, and being an aggressive interventionist state. The US in the last couple of decades has been steering towards the latter which not only taints its rep, but also puts its civilians within her borders at risk.

Ron Paul gets a lot of flack for admitting that but he's not wrong, its just a tough pill to swallow for hawkish republicans and even progressive dems.

There isn't really. History is littered with examples of empires and great powers who have conquered their way to domination. The U.S., as the world's current dominant power is merely playing by the rules of anarchy. The international system we live in incentivizes self-help and power politics as legitimate forms of state behavior. This is slowly changing, but won't change completely in the continued absence of a world government.
 
I thought it quite telling that the moderators kept getting the others to pile into Newt but his answers really got the crowd going. It looks like the establishment really don't want him as their candidate but the crowd are going to select him anyway. Robotney was quite poor last night...he seems to be fading.

At least the Iowa vote should see the end of Santorum...he's a dangerous feckwit.
 
There isn't really. History is littered with examples of empires and great powers who have conquered their way to domination. The U.S., as the world's current dominant power is merely playing by the rules of anarchy. The international system we live in incentivizes self-help and power politics as legitimate forms of state behavior. This is slowly changing, but won't change completely in the continued absence of a world government.

How exactly do you read the Second World War and the Cold War but the fighting off of Germany, Italy, Japan and the USSR?
 
Jeezus! Herm really needs to pay off those campaign debts. I like how his wife was keeping a firm grip of those wandering hands towards the end!
 
Ron Paul seemed to have a decent debate for once. Good to see everyone climbing all over Gingrich as well. Half of the Republican establishment seem petrified that he may win the nomination.
 
Paul's a masochist. "We're a horrible nation, we make everyone else angry at us, it's not their fault, it's ours" bla bla bullshit. Paul, if you don't like America, you can get out

Is this your version of "the freedom of speech"?
 
Interesting Newt has fallen so far so fast, though not as strange as his lead in the first place.

I mean, what could he have said in 2 weeks that was so much stupider than his previous comments?
 
Huntsman is basically just running for VP or SecState in a Romney administration at this point. In fairness, he'd be the best SecState the Republicans have at this point.

Frankly, I'm beginning to think he'd be a good replacement for Hillary even if Obama is re-elected.
 
Newt got his turn in the front for the same reasons Perry and Cain did: Because the far right wants one of "their guys" i.e. not Romney, to be the nominee. The problem happens to be that "their guys" are all idiots, the reasoning for which escapes the far right.
 
Newt got his turn in the front for the same reasons Perry and Cain did: Because the far right wants one of "their guys" i.e. not Romney, to be the nominee. The problem happens to be that "their guys" are all idiots, the reasoning for which escapes the far right.

Romney is not their guy because even they can see he is just a 'suit'.

as has been said...he has 'no core'.
 
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