US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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Take a place like Colorado and their new drug reforms. The Republicans will want that back in the future but must recognise that their social policies will have to at least be flexible if not moderated some.

The landscape is shifting before their very eyes, pragmatism will beckon at eventually although there is no sign it will in time for 2016.
 
In reaction to a gloating Michael Moore tweet.

"that's a left winger, and an ugly one at that"

"I think that says it all"

:lol: This is so much better than I hoped for. They're literally in meltdown.
 
Just tuned into Fox to show my wife how bat shit crazy they are and all we saw was five really depressed people sitting around a table. :lol:
 
Plechazunga said:
I think everyone's missed the point about Dick Morris and his ilk. I doubt that at any point they thought it was going to be a Romney landslide. The point is that Rove and the GOP strategists are convinced that a) there's a bandwagon effect - base turns out when it's fired up by imminent victory; and b) undecided voters break for whoever they think is going to win.

These people are complete hacks. It's an obvious stitch-up - they simply take the reputational blow for the cause, safe in the knowledge that there's no accountability whatsoever and the Fox gigs will continue.

With Rasmussen it's a bit less cut-and-dried, I think he finds a balance between helping the cause and just about maintaining his reputation.

With Coulter, maybe she is an actual idiot. But the rest are just cynics and whores.
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Spot on, and it's fits in with the whole ploy of Mitt supposedly not even bothering to write a conceding speech (what't the verbage on that anyway oh tedious one?). I would also add that I thought perhaps Rove's hand waving I've heard about was perhaps to try to get an early start on delegitimizing the result, sowing discord and rumor... that sort of thing. Just in case there was something to be made of a closer election. Rove really will stoop to some real obvious lows, and unfortunately it often works on a receptive crowd.
 
rednev said:
For a 'pro-lifer', Ryan's comment there seems perfectly reasonable to me. If you consider abortion to be the murder of an unborn child, then I don't see how you can justify it on account of the method of conception being rape.
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Except they don't, do they. If half the population really thought a million children were being murdered each year, you would see massive civil disobedience, rioting, basically civil war.

Ryan doesn't give a feck about zygotes. It's a wedge issue for GOP strategists and a shibboleth for the conservative base, a handy way of checking a politician is ideologically pure and one of them.
 
They mentioned various celebrity tweets for Obama/against the right but not a single mention of Trump or any celebrity tweets from their side that might look just as cringeworthy.
 
Plechazunga said:
Except they don't, do they. If half the population really thought a million children were being murdered each year, you would see massive civil disobedience, rioting, basically civil war.

Ryan doesn't give a feck about zygotes. It's a wedge issue for GOP strategists and a shibboleth for the conservative base, a handy way of checking a politician is ideologically pure and one of them.
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If Ryan is a Roman Catholic like he says he is, then going by the Catholics I know, he genuinely does give a feck about the fate of unborn foetuses. For pro-lifers like Ryan, a foetus has a right to life and nothing, bar a threat to the mother's life, is going to trump this. For him to proclaim that rape is a legitimate reason for termination would be inconsistent with what he says he believes in. His position should hardly be put alongside those morons who try to downplay the seriousness of rape.
 
Grinner said:
90 mins till Billo...he comes on after Shep Smith.
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Right, i kept being an hour out recently since we put the clocks back over here.

I tried to go and see how Hannity had reacted on his radio show but you had to sign up and i wasn't quite that bothered about it.


ETA: Just read that Bachmann managed to hold on in the end. No more bids for power though.
 
rednev said:
If Ryan is a Roman Catholic like he says he is, then going by the Catholics I know, he genuinely does give a feck about the fate of unborn foetuses.
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Right. But that's different from considering it to be murder.

It's a complex area, and all of us have moral issues with it at some point on the continuum. I give a feck about the lives of unborn foetuses too, and if a rape victim wanted to abort a foetus at 36 weeks I wouldn't be in favour of allowing her to.

What the political anti-abortion people do is try to blur it all into one simple issue. So 'foetus' is made to cover everything from conception to birth, and the difference between contraception, ordinary abortion, late-term abortion and infanticide are elided.

Until recently, there was broad consensus at least that in cases of rape and danger to the mother, it was legitimate. But now the rape part of that is under attack, with the difference being once again elided.

It's all just tactics. They don't really think it's murder.
 
'We report; he hammers krauts'
 
I was watching the video of Fox calling the election again. I missed Megyn Kelly calling Romney a vampire the first time. :lol:
 
Krauthammer is freaking me out now. He refuses to look at anyone else on the panel, always just straight down the camera.
 
Mockney said:
:lol:

That will form part of his backstory in 'Dr. Krauthammer & the Nazi Gorillas from space.'
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Will you work in the backstory on how he got those lines down the sides of his mouth? Childhood encounter with a tiger?

Sorry I will look at that thing btw, as soon as I've finished watching Fox News for no reason.
 
To be fair to Krauthammer he was one of the few Fox regulars to award the second debate to Obama. Then again he gave the third to Romney i think.
 
Krauthammer looks like Kang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

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Counties in which one candidate won at least 90% of the vote (not all data is complete yet):

Connecticut, Hartford: Obama 93.2, Romney 6.3
District of Columbia: Obama 91.4, Romney 7.1
Idaho, Franklin: Romney 92.8, Obama 5.
Idaho, Madison: Romney 93.3, Obama 5.8
Maryland, Prince George's: Obama 90.2, Romney 9.1
Maine, Moro Plt.: Romney 91.3, Obama 4.3
Maine, Penobscot Nation Vot Dst: Obama 90.0, Romney 8.2
New York, Bronx: Obama 91.2, Romney 8.3
Oklahoma, Cimarron: Romney 90.4, Obama 9.6
South Dakota, Shannon: Obama 93.4, Romney 6.0
Texas, King: Romney 95.9, Obama 3.4
Texas, Roberts: Romney 92.9, Obama 5.7
Texas, Sterling: Romney 92.9, Obama 6.3
Texas, Glasscock: Romney 91.0, Obama 7.6
Texas, Oldham: Romney 90.9, Obama 8.2
Texas, Hansford: Romney 91.2, Obama 8.1
Texas, Ochiltree: Romney 90.9, Obama 8.5
Utah, Rich: Romney 90.8, Obama 8.3
Utah, Uintah: Romney 90.0, Obama 8.7
Virgina, Petersburg: Obama 90.4, Romney 9.2
 
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