Just seen that apparently now 63% think Romney cares about the middle class compared to 30% before.. that is a fecking disaster for Obama.
US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012
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That must be a kneejerk poll. You won't get such a huge swing in reality.
Well if it was for a reason, it was a shit reason.
Romney: "Your plan is terrible, it promises to cut $716bn from Medicare"
Obama: "How much does Paul Ryan's budget, which you've endorsed, promise to cut?"
How is that scenario anything but a win for Obama? Instead he didn't address it and just rambled. I can't even remember much of what he said about it. The whole night he constantly missed chances to make good points that his own ads have made.
First two Romney "Facts" to be analyzed on CNN were false. Obama's were true.
Obama failed to call him out on it. Very disappointing.
Obama failed to call him out on it. Very disappointing.
I'm taking solace in all those links Plech posted about debates not mattering. I can't see the state of the race changing much based on tonight, but Jebus Barry, turn up for the next two!
A shit first debate doesn't matter.
One thing Romney did constantly was essentially put forward Obama's platform better than Obama did. Grow the middle class, have regulations, no tax cuts on wealthy. Romney argued for all of that tonight. Of course there's no chance he'll actually do it but it would have been incredibly easy to call him out on that and contrast the Romney of now to the Romney of the Republican primaries. Obama's failure to do so was inept.
Chris Matthews is furious at Obama!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html
He's right though.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html
He's right though.
well we can only hope. I can see it going up by a good 15-20 points because Obama didn't challenge him.
If you ignore your previous knowledge of the substance of what was said, Romney did come across as genuine in how he spoke. He had a great debating style, especially compared to Obama who seemed to be trying to wait out the clock taking 10 seconds to say the word 'and'
I would expect the polls to tighten after that. Of the people who haven't made their minds up yet, if someone hasn't decided after this amount of time not to vote for Romney despite everything, I can see them breaking with him on the basis of that.
The polls will probably tighten up - but more ominously for Obama - Romney will benefit in terms of voter enthusiasm. Republicans are already more enthusiastic about showing up to vote and this will solidify that. Ultimately, polling and stats are pointless if the same people they are polling aren't inspired to show up on election day.
Obama was negotiating with Romney's plane rather than shooting it out of the sky as it dropped bombs. He wasn't at the races this time.
I wonder if Obama, being a long game player wanting to use this debate to flush out Romney's debate half-truths and then using it against his previous statements to be used for adverts later?
These additional ammo this will fit within their strategy of shaping or reinforcing the narative of a consistent untrustworth flip-flopper who will say anything to get elected?
These additional ammo this will fit within their strategy of shaping or reinforcing the narative of a consistent untrustworth flip-flopper who will say anything to get elected?
Cute takeaway:
Mitt: Soft on Wall Street. Tough on Sesame Street.
Mitt: Soft on Wall Street. Tough on Sesame Street.
Al Sharpton made that point. Regardless of what Obama's tactic was (and I don't believe it was that), Romney has in a way put both his own and Ryan's heads on the block, and he's committed himself to positions that can quite easily be exposed.
How poor was Obama. He was just asleep, and didn't seem like he was even bothered. Romney was able to spew his B.S so easily, with such conviction and confidence. Obama was on the defensive throughout. What a let down..
THIS..THIS is what Obama should have done..
THIS..THIS is what Obama should have done..
How poor was Obama. He was just asleep, and didn't seem like he was even bothered. Romney was able to spew his B.S so easily, with such conviction and confidence. Obama was on the defensive throughout. What a let down..
THIS..THIS is what Obama should have done..
Brilliant.CNN snap poll shows 67% think Romney won vs 25% for Obama, BUT, that same poll shows the favorables largely unchanged for both candidates. It's quite possible that the debate will convince people that Romney's a better debater than Obama, but won't change any minds.
Watching the debate again. Obama missed a few great opportunities, bue he wasn't as bad as I thought the first time. And Romney was less impressive and persuasive than I first thought. He came across as a bit naggy, and that smug smile was just annoying.
So Obama fecked that up, didnt see that coming
He doesn't seem to be comfortable in such a confrontational setting. He shies away from his opponent, refusing to look at his for an extended amount of time, and his whole body language just screams "get this over with".
Get Sam Jackson to prep him for the next debate.
Get Sam Jackson to prep him for the next debate.
Some info on the debate:
Obama managed a brisk 172 words per minute in his 42:50, while
Romney managed a speed-freak-ish 217 words per minute in his 38:32
Romney world cloud:
Obama's:
Obama managed a brisk 172 words per minute in his 42:50, while
Romney managed a speed-freak-ish 217 words per minute in his 38:32
Romney world cloud:
Obama's:
I feel alseep.
Seen some highlights.
I believe there were more than one person on this forum who suggested Obama was a superior debater to Romney. How wrong they were...
Seen some highlights.
I believe there were more than one person on this forum who suggested Obama was a superior debater to Romney. How wrong they were...
He was quite good against McCain. I think the thing here is that he's playing 'defense' and running the clock. His biggest concern is not to seem arrogant or do any of the rhetorical flights from 08. What he wants are boring debates... well, he got that. The down side is that he seems muted and uninspired.
It's unlikely to make much difference. The polls will probably tighten - but as I said, they were going to tighten anyway. I guess at least Romney gets one cycle in which he's not being battered, which must count for something.
One thing it does show is that Obama lacks Clinton's rare talent for making policy inspiring. He can do inspiring, and he can do wonkery, but he can't do both at the same time.
Good point. He's bad at selling the product, I'd agree with that. I mean, his student loan reform for example is a fantastic piece of legislation, and yet it came across as a bit meh when he tried to sell it to the public in the debate, something Clinton did very well during his DNC speech.
Yeah one debate doesnt make a man. Still perplexed why some insurance broker from Norwich (or wherever and whatever you are) gives a shit about some rich mormon winning the US election.
sometimes obama can be such a bitch ni**a.
a poor outing.
Sack Obama, Sell Plouffe/Gibbs
a poor outing.
Sack Obama, Sell Plouffe/Gibbs
Very dull debate yesterday. Hard to watch, and Romney's face kinda annoyed me at the end, smirking all the time, while Obama seemed without force and hunger. And Barack should win the gentleman of the year award for not calling the Mitt's 47% speech, not sure that is a good thing though.
Was watching CNN today before coming to work, and 67% think Romney won the debate. I mean I get it, Obama lacked a little fighting spirit and vigor, but Mitt presented feck all yesterday. Lack of ideas, and empty speech during it all.
And I almost missed the debate yesterday, good thing Argentina x Brasil got cancelled due electrical problems in the stadium at Argentina. What an embarrassment.
Was watching CNN today before coming to work, and 67% think Romney won the debate. I mean I get it, Obama lacked a little fighting spirit and vigor, but Mitt presented feck all yesterday. Lack of ideas, and empty speech during it all.
And I almost missed the debate yesterday, good thing Argentina x Brasil got cancelled due electrical problems in the stadium at Argentina. What an embarrassment.
I can't help but shake the suspicion that Romney was slightly better than his usual self and that Obama had one of his least effective debates in memory. The fact that Obama was favored coming in surely helped craft the perception that Romney won hands down, when in fact it was much closer than the pundits are letting on. The left wingers like Chris Mathews are obviously fuming that Obama didn't attack more, but all in all, the lines at the bottom of the screen on CNN were quite equal.
Not sure you can say Romney had an 'empty speech', it was full off content. If anything it was Obama who slipped into talking about anecdotes which had little substance.
Wait until the town hall style debate, Obama will be on his game then.
Was full of bullshit. What have the fact checkers had to say?
The only facts they've been able to confirm so far, is that he was there and did definitely speak.
it was Ali/Foreman, Obama took some punches, but it'll backfire on Romney
This effectively guarantees that Obama will come out swinging next time.
Apparently the instant polls after the debate showed Romney winning by the same amount (ish) as Kerry did in the first debate in 04, interesting given the other similarities between the two races. Quite painful having to equate Obama to Bush here.
How poor was Obama. He was just asleep, and didn't seem like he was even bothered. Romney was able to spew his B.S so easily, with such conviction and confidence. Obama was on the defensive throughout. What a let down..
THIS..THIS is what Obama should have done..
Love it.He talked about what he would do without ever giving details. His plan seemed to be tell everyone nice things and ignore how horrible his plan would really be, while also talking about the negative points of Obama's policies. Good plan really if your opponent is poor at calling you on it.
Obama went into anecdotes too often during the healthcare debate, but he was bogged down in details over the tax debate. He had a horrible showing.
Wonder how many times over the next few days Republicans are going to say that Obama was missing his teleprompter or other teleprompter jokes.
Obama explained at least twice that the cuts were coming from the Insurance companies not the receipients. Romney did not dispute that.
The moderator is there to call you out on lies...but Lehr was too busy dozing off.
Romney simply acted like his 59 page tax cut plan did not exist. He just lied about his own plan. Obama called him out on it several times.
Also Romeny supporting the voucher plan for medicare just lost him Florida if that was in doubt.
A lot of libs including myself wished Obama had 'hit' him....
Romney 'won' on style with his lies. Obama won on facts.
But the debate was the most boring one I ever saw.
The news media after the who won cycle dies down will be going through the facts and call the lies out.
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