US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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Excal said:
I except Jeb Bush is gonna figure his name won't be toxic anymore.
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Unless he re-position himself as an independent which might be good for him especially with the statements he has made in the past.

Otherwise he will be called a flip-flopper -- having to throw out red meat during the nomination process and then tack centre post-nomination? Unless the Repubs re-invent themselves post 2012.
 
The far right doesn't accept they're the reason the Republican Party is slipping into permanent minority party status, but they make up too much of the GOP for the party to just ditch them.
 
The thing about Romoney is that he sounds relatively reasonable (unlike say, a Michelle B and gang) in what he is saying except it from his highly elevated position in life and his upbringing.

Sure he is smart as hell but he just doesn't understand or see what the rest of the 99% people see or go though in their daily lives. Thus the idea that they rest of the population doesnt want to work harder to do better... unlike him.

I blame his parents for this. He should have been forced to work at a burger joint when he was a kid to see what its like to come from more humble backgrounds. He dad failed him.
 
Excal said:
I except Jeb Bush is gonna figure his name won't be toxic anymore.
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He'd be a front runner that's for sure, although his sensibility and moderate streak may turn off the tea party spackers who have commandeered the party.
 
sglowrider said:
The thing about Romoney is that he sounds relatively reasonable (unlike say, a Michelle B and gang) in what he is saying except it from his highly elevated position in life and his upbringing.

Sure he is smart as hell but he just doesn't understand or see what the rest of the 99% people see or go though in their daily lives. Thus the idea that they rest of the population doesnt want to work harder to do better... unlike him.

I blame his parents for this. He should have been forced to work at a burger joint when he was a kid to see what its like to come from more humble backgrounds. He dad failed him.
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Aw, poor mittens
 
Grinner said:
This is simply amazing. The level of disdain that fortunate people have for others is really worrying. How did this country get to such a place?
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bsc said:
Neoliberalism.

The sense of community and fairness is destroyed.
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How's that bsc?





Sir Matt said:
The worst thing is that he's preaching to the choir with many Republicans. It's a decidedly un-Christian attitude for the "religious right" to take. Conveniently, Mitt isn't Christian, but the majority of the party believing something that is one of the things that Jesus preached against is depressing. What difference is there in them and the Pharisees in the New Testament?

They miss the entire point of the New Testament while using it as a means to demean and punish people rather than forgiving and helping them. Paul Ryan has been called out for claiming that his budget is "Christian" or "Catholic." The religious right somehow rationalizes the "I got mine, feck you" ideology of people like Romney as being a Christian belief, or at least ignore that because they think other sins are more important.

For the GOP, they can do anything they want as long as they oppose abortion and hate the gays. They'll still have their religious supporters. Did they even pay attention to anything Jesus said?
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It's not a sin to steal food if you're starving, how can any christian oppose feeding the hungry?
 
Actually what Romney said is something I would say and agree with.

There is an entitlement culture building here and in the USA. Where people think the government 'owe' them something, when in fact, the government is just taking money off someone else forceabily and gives it to someone else.
 
Jaz said:
Actually what Romney said is something I would say and agree with.

There is an entitlement culture building here and in the USA. Where people think the government 'owe' them something, when in fact, the government is just taking money off someone else forceabily and gives it to someone else.
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That's up for debate depending on what one's philosophical position is. Government does owe citizens a lot because its little more than a collective representation of them. And your point about forcibly taking money off people and giving it to someone else - how else do you expect a government to function without taxation.
 
Jaz said:
Actually what Romney said is something I would say and agree with.

There is an entitlement culture building here and in the USA. Where people think the government 'owe' them something, when in fact, the government is just taking money off someone else forceabily and gives it to someone else.
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You just described the concept "government". That is literally it. If you don't want to pay any taxes, you're free to move to a country without health care, police, fire, education or infrastructure.
 
niMic said:
You just described the concept "government". That is literally it. If you don't want to pay any taxes, you're free to move to a country without health care, police, fire, education or infrastructure.
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I recommend Somalia
 
Jaz said:
Actually what Romney said is something I would say and agree with.

There is an entitlement culture building here and in the USA. Where people think the government 'owe' them something, when in fact, the government is just taking money off someone else forceabily and gives it to someone else.
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The biggest entitlement culture is probably coming from the Republicans who are blaming Obama for not solving the greatest economic crisis in near on 80 years in his first term.
 
Jaz said:
Actually what Romney said is something I would say and agree with.

There is an entitlement culture building here and in the USA. Where people think the government 'owe' them something, when in fact, the government is just taking money off someone else forceabily and gives it to someone else.
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I think you are confusing the US with the UK. And just like him its absolutely out of order for you to broadly generalise almost half of the american population as thinking this way.
 
Stewart will try and be too quippy and not go for the serious political jugular out of a slight professional courtesy. He could annihilate him, but I don't think he truly will.

It's amazing how the right wing share so many ideological traits with anarchists. They basically don't want a government at all. Unless they want them to protect their investments of course. Or start wars. Or bail them out. Or, you know, do anything in their interest, but NO ONE elses.


Jaz said:
Actually what Romney said is something I would say and agree with.
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Do we know for sure that Jaz isn't some kind of mjs type WUM?
 
Jaz said:
Actually what Romney said is something I would say and agree with.

There is an entitlement culture building here and in the USA. Where people think the government 'owe' them something, when in fact, the government is just taking money off someone else forceabily and gives it to someone else.
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You agree that Obama's core 47% are made up entirely of people who rely on him getting re-elected so they can sponge of the state again? Or you agree that the elderly and the working poor are victims and beyond hope of ever taking responsibility for their own lives? Or do you agree that food is something you have to prove yourself worthy of?

If you agree with that clusterfeck of ideas, then you can say you agree with Romney. Otherwise, you just agree with the same generic right-wing arguments that are always bandied around that the state's too big and benefits are too high, which Romney wasn't really saying at all.
 
Silva said:
It's going to descend into a shouting match between the men.
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Nah. Stewart is fairly reasonable that way and is willing to listen to an opposing view. Which is what makes his interviews great.

If you've watched other O'Reilly-Stewart interviews they've never descended into shouting matches. And TBF O'Reilly does tend to respect Stewart so allows him to make his point rather than shout him down like he does with other guests.

Although Stewart has managed to pretty much rape O'Reilly on the issues. He even once went on Fox News and explained to O'Reilly how the Fox News "cycle" works and how the "news" side and "opinion" side of Fox are blurred together to come up with a 24/7 biased program.

Ofcourse O'Reilly didn't air this section of the interview on his TV program and instead put it online in the "unedited" version.
 
Mockney said:
Stewart will try and be too quippy and not go for the serious political jugular out of a slight professional courtesy. He could annihilate him, but I don't think he truly will.

It's amazing how the right wing share so many ideological traits with anarchists. They basically don't want a government at all. Unless they want them to protect their investments of course. Or start wars. Or bail them out. Or, you know, do anything in their interest, but NO ONE elses.




Do we know for sure that Jaz isn't some kind of mjs type WUM?
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He may not be. His interview with the Mad Money clown(guy on CNBC) was very serious. The guy was on the verge of losing it the whole time. I hope that's the Jon Stewart we see.

Will Colbert be moderating?
 
Would have preferred a Stewart v Hannity debate. Hannity is way more hateful and would have been hilarious to watch.

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After the enormous fortune he accumalated by destroying thousands of lives just like the one on that 'coffin' ad,Romney wants the Presidency to be the crowning achievment of his life.

He feels 'entitled' to it. And he is bitter that half the country does not agree with him. As he cannot convince them, he feels the need to dehumanise them.

Such a person with zero real life experience should not be anywhere near the Presidency.
As Michele Obama said, "Politics don't make you who you are, they reveal who you are."
 
Leaving aside the 47 percent thing, the most telling thing for me from that video was Romney claiming that he "inherited nothing". The guy who went to college (back when education was cheaper in real dollars than it was today) and lived off of the nearly $400K in today's money he got in selling off stock he had been given by his father.

He genuinely has no idea how much privilege he has been gifted with his entire life.
 
Saw this noted on a blog:

Based on my calculations, it would seem that a significant portion of Romney’s 47% “who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing, to you-name-it” are active duty military.

Median salary+bonus for a sergeant (E-6)? $27,169 a year (let’s take a moment to remember that this is just over one tenth of what Romney described as a “middle class” income.) If this sergeant has a kid at home, and a wife (or husband) working part-time for another $10k a year, say, their tax burden is zero (truthfully, they probably get something back from tax credits.)

Records for rank distribution for the armed forces take more than a two-minute google search on my part, but I imagine that over half of our armed forces make less than this.

A good portion of Romney’s “victims” are the people who Romney expects to salute him as commander-in-chief—a position for which he seems committed to demonstrating he is completely unqualified.
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