US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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whats that?

cant wait to go home and see all the righties jumping off the high rises.

Govt. can't withold medicaid funding if states don't comply with new eligibility requirements.

Rupert Murdoch is now on FNC giving his opinion on the 'entitlement culture'.
 
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The medicare per capita is around $10,000 per year. That is roughly double what the very best private insurance costs. Of course Medicare tend to have higher risk patients but they also don't cover a lot of the procedures and treatments the best private insurances do.

The bill is need but holding up Medicare has any sort of standard is absurd IMO.

That is the valid point.

There is no way private insurance can in any way be as affordable as Single Payer.

Medicare is not based on profits. Private Health Insurance is...Obscene profits.

When everyone is included in health insurance the premiums will fall.
 
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more fail.
 
So MSNBC were the only ones of the three major networks to hold off and get it right? Yeesh.
 
There is no way private insurance can in any way be as affordable as Single Payer.

Medicare is not based on profits. Private Health Insurance is...Obscene profits.

Healthcare insurance profits are around 10% and they have to be very efficient to achieve that. Medicare wastes at least 20% of its budget in inefficiencies and fraud.

A single payer system should be cheaper but Medicare is nowhere near close to competing with private insurance companies in terms of costs and what is covered. It would be better making the top three insurance companies merge and rout all funds through them as a single payer system.
 
Healthcare insurance profits are around 10% and they have to be very efficient to achieve that. Medicare wastes at least 20% of its budget in inefficiencies and fraud.

A single payer system should be cheaper but Medicare is nowhere near close to competing with private insurance companies in terms of costs and what is covered. It would be better making the top three insurance companies merge and rout all funds through them as a single payer system.

The 10% you report is after their ridculous expense such as CEO salaries and 'business meetings' in Hawaii or such places.

Why use the existing insurance companies? as for the employees...they will transition to actual care giving.

Medicare costs are high because they treat a population that is at high risk...older people.
 
The 10% you report is after their ridculous expense such as CEO salaries and 'business meetings' in Hawaii or such places.

What a silly stance. You can strip all the insurance company profits and CEO salaries out of the equation and it would make very little difference to what Joe Public pays.

Healthcare is expensive because the number of procedures grow every year, and the cost of staffing. The bets way of controlling the costs is mandating maximum payments for procedures and rugs, and improving the graduation rates for health related courses.
 
Can someone explain exactly what happened today, and what it means, etc?

Short version: The health care law (aka "Affordable Care Act" aka "Obamacare") was upheld. It means the progress made allowing millions of people to purchase/receive health care stands, and a lot of conservatives will inexplicably be very angry that a law written by the Heritage Foundation was upheld by George W. Bush's hand-picked Chief Justice.
 
Getting back to the thread....this result might have significant impact of the Presidential election. The wording of the result and implications of this as a new tax will be used extensively by the Romney camp.

54% of people wanted the act replied, and only 39% wanted it to be upheld. The result today might be enough to give Romney the 3-4% of the vote he needs to win the election.
 
What a silly stance. You can strip all the insurance company profits and CEO salaries out of the equation and it would make very little difference to what Joe Public pays.

Healthcare is expensive because the number of procedures grow every year, and the cost of staffing. The bets way of controlling the costs is mandating maximum payments for procedures and rugs, and improving the graduation rates for health related courses.

mjs...its you who is talking silly.

lets leave it eh. we'll never agree
 
The sort of people susceptible to the ACA being spun as a tax increase on everyone are the people who already think Obama has raised their taxes, and were in the Romney camp to begin with.
 
Overall I think a good day for the US. I will never be against taking fresh looks at the law and fixing things that don't work or are nor working as well as they should, but I laugh at the thought that anyone thinks this law will get repealed by Congress, at least that is how I see it.

I expect some growing pains with the law, who doesn't. Of course the one worry is that our government doesn't always seem the best at fixing problems so perhaps I am guilty of having too high expectations on the ability to tweak the law as needed in the future.

Of course the proof will be in the pudding as to how well this law works or does not work. But for me it is a step in the right direction.
 
The sort of people susceptible to the ACA being spun as a tax increase on everyone are the people who already think Obama has raised their taxes, and were in the Romney camp to begin with.

Exactly, it will energize the GOP base but feck them. The wailing and gnashing of teeth for the next few days will be fun. Hopefully Obama, when he speaks later, says "In your face, bitches". Naturally he'll be looking to unite though.
 
Getting back to the thread....this result might have significant impact of the Presidential election. The wording of the result and implications of this as a new tax will be used extensively by the Romney camp.

54% of people wanted the act replied, and only 39% wanted it to be upheld. The result today might be enough to give Romney the 3-4% of the vote he needs to win the election.
This would probably be true with any other Republican candidate but Romney, and still might be with him, but if he tries to make this a major campaign issue, Obama will go for him on Romneycare in the debates.
 
The sort of people susceptible to the ACA being spun as a tax increase on everyone are the people who already think Obama has raised their taxes, and were in the Romney camp to begin with.

correct. In fact this will energise the Democratic base.

The GOP actually wants the debate to be about the economy...which is sluggish. But Romney is too busy defending his 'business activities'...

love that Bain :)
 
Goes without saying, but it is entirely mental that Romney will now have to savage a GOP-elected judge for upholding a law he pioneered. 'merica.
 
It requires that roughly everyone purchase health insurance and imposes a tax if they do not. It also institutes a number of regulations including: no denial for people who are already ill, can't charge extra for those people. It also expanded Medicare but this is the part that was apparently struck down. The point is to expand the base of coverage for insurance companies to cover those who are higher risk and to reduce the number of people with no insurance who increase the cost of healthcare.

Thanks.
 
mjs...its you who is talking silly.

lets leave it eh. we'll never agree

Getting over fixated on stuff like the salaries of half a dozen CEO in an industry worth trillions is not productive. You either understand and want to control/reduce healthcare costs or you don't. You seem to be focusing on something very trivial that really has little impact on anyones bottom line.
 
Obama doing the right thing and hammering home what this means for ordinary folks.

Time to buy insurance and drug stock methinks.
 
Too bad they don't allow cameras inside the Supreme Court. It would've been great to see the looks on Bachmann and Orin Hatch's faces. Apparently, they were outraged when Roberts read the decision.
 
I'd be inclined to think CNN's webpage was hacked but perhaps not.

Faux News will be great tonight. I will have to watch (while trying to not kill myself over their rhetoric) Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly.

Wonder what CT hack Alex Jones has to say about this decision? Hehe. A former friend of mine wrote on her FB that America's freedom died today (no doubt echoed by AJ as she gets 95% of her stuff from that loon).

Can't wait for the next 'Real Time with Bill Maher' and Colbert and Stewart's shows.
 
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