It probably isn't, but I've never read anything to the extent of him being SAF's greatest ever mistake.
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We're never going to challenge for the title with Moyes as our manager. It's an opinion, not a fact for those who think I'm jumping the gun with my opinion.
I agree with the last post.
Deep-down Fergie already knows that Moyes isn't good enough, but won't admit it to himself for a while yet, if ever.
Agree with all your points cunto.
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- Welbeck won't ever make it as a striker here. Squad player at the very most but he's no more then an average player right now, and doesn't seem to have the special something that you need to be a top player. Not decisive at all either (although he had a good run in December, that's all it was)
- Hernandez is better then welbeck
- We should keep Valencia as a squad player, good to have a strong and fast and defensive winger like that as a squad player. He shouldn't start but he has his moments and can be good to bring on to see games out or to run it out of tricky situations.
- Out of our back 5, only Rafael and de gea are positions which don't need strengthening
- Smalling and Evans are good, but smallings lack of skill on the ball will hold him back from becoming a top defender and future first choice for united
- Evans is decent all around but is incredibly overrated and makes plenty of mistakes (still first choice for us though), won't be part of our long term defensive pairing (jones+somebody else imo)
- Kagawa is a class player and deserves a lot more games then he gets, and him under performing is down to our play being too slow and one dimensional rather then him not adjusting to the league or being good enough
- Attack and attacking midfield/winger wise, we have the best team and depth in the league, but our midfield is no more then a mid table midfield which is why we struggle
- Fergie is mostly to blame for our current midfield problems and pogba made the right choice leaving because we didn't trust him or give him a chance, the Blackburn game was a costly and decisive one (maybe not unpopular but everyone always says feck off when you talk about it)
- Moyes wouldn't have been considered to be manager if he wasn't Scottish
If Moyes remains as manager next season, we will fall even further behind City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool after having another very unsuccessful transfer window in the Summer.
If we don't secure a Champions League place and sack Moyes, his replacement (if he's relatively high-profile) will have a much more successful season despite us not spending lavishly.
Like Bosnian-Red, I believe Valencia would prove to be the most valuable squad member out of himself, Young and Nani if we are capable of changing to a more narrow system with emphasis on attacking centrally and bringing in another offensive midfielder/winger.
If we don't secure a Champions League place and sack Moyes, his replacement (if he's relatively high-profile) will have a much more successful season despite us not spending lavishly.
Like Bosnian-Red, I believe Valencia would prove to be the most valuable squad member out of himself, Young and Nani if we are capable of changing to a more narrow system with emphasis on attacking centrally and bringing in another offensive midfielder/winger.
if bayern started a 6 year old boy in goals they'd lose every game. You could probably say they have a better squad than all the other teams still, but the team will only be as good as its weakest links, and we have a very poor centre mid (arguable most important part of the team) and an inexperienced OR aging defence. I think saying we have a better squad than liverpool is a slightly superficial analysis just because of how bad our CM is and how important that's going to be
Nothing to do with the piles of oil money they throw around? Oh no, it's the fact they change their manager all the time. That's why they've been successful.
Me too.
People who are saying David Moyes needs time etc. should be giving the same respect to Hernandez. At least we know what Hernandez is capable of, and I think he could only improve with better players around him. Instead, he's brought on too late to do anything, or he's used as our only forward. Would love to see him given a chance to play more regularly alongside players like Mata, Adnan, Rooney and RVP.
Why is it set in stone that we'll have an unsuccessful summer?
You should start a thread on that. It's something that concerns me too.
There's some fecking idiots on here.
Ah yes, the green smiley. Brilliant.
Nothing to do with the piles of oil money they throw around? Oh no, it's the fact they change their manager all the time. That's why they've been successful.
Arsenal haven't been successful, yet have stuck by their manager. Where's your counter argument there?
It's not 'set in stone', as this thread is titled, this is just my opinion.
I don't believe we will make top four and we realistically have a very slim chance at best. Moyes is seemingly targeting the top bracket players and like our failed pursuits of Fabregas and Thiago in the Summer, we will miss out on the likes of Kroos, Pogba and Vidal - who will not want to leave Europe's elite for us - and we will subsequently bring in a midfielder who won't make a substantial difference to the team.
Martinez won't be a success long-term at Everton.
Man City are fundamentally flawed as a team(controversial until last night).
I also think RVP wishes he hung on a year.
Man City are fundamentally flawed as a team(controversial until last night).
I also think RVP wishes he hung on a year.
If we get beat by Fulham on Sunday David Moyes should be sacked
Sticking by the manager isn't a relevant point.
It's about achievement in relation to finances, at which Wenger has done as well as possible. Hence he's stayed.
The caf is the best it's been since I joined. We actually have something to complain about now. It's much more entertaining
That's not an unpopular decision that's a bloody fact .
I've seen a lot of people say that.
There's many reasons as to why Arsenal haven't been successful. None of them related to their decision to stick by Wenger, which has probably been a great decision in all honesty.
well if we do lose to Fulham (I bloody hope not) it can't get any worse .
If anyone on here is Scottish, they will be considered as Moyes' successor.
Chelsea have proved stability isn't the key to success. Which was my original point with regards to stability being overrated. Money had nothing to do with my point, any team that wants to be successful has to spend money. Stick your green smilies up your arse.
Agree with you on the last 2 (sadly in RVP's case). Although he won't admit it, and he did end up winning the league, he was on route to be an Arsenal legend and he supported them as a kid, but then came to United because Arsenal seemed like they would be forever in 'transition' and after 1 good year, United are in an even worse position and are challenging, and would probably win it if you add RVP to that team.
And City are great at destroying smaller teams but defensively are weak and a lot of this season was just from their confidence. If you know how to play against them like Mourinho did, like Bayern did when it really mattered in that group, and how Barca probably will, you can beat them most times. They are weak defensively and are too gung-ho and are a bit naive and think they can always score 4 or 5 against the opposition.
Great thread. Good opportunity to voice sort of opinions that would cause havoc in individual threads, often leading to go astray with the topic. Just a few of unpopular opinions of mine.
- Kagawa has been criticized too strongly and even though he's not showing the level of performances he used to show at Dortmund, he hasn't been terrible. I've seen people saying Mata had a great debut. Double standards at best.
- On the other hand, there are those who think he's done enough to play week in week out and is our only hope to play good football 'coz our wingers are feckin shite kick and run innit'.
- 'We would have judged Moyes differently if we played decent football but still found ourselves so low in the table.' Bollocks. It would have changed close to zilch, he's had a few of good ones and it meant nothing. I gave the Chelsea game as the example in another thread. Good football, lost freakishly and the consensus was just like after we lost to WBA at home (when we indeed were terrible).
- Desperately looking to find scapegoats among the individuals. The same scapegoats basically. Valencia and Young have been the main victims of that. It's almost like watching another game to some of the posters on here. Valencia and/or Young have a good/decent game, you come here and everything you learn is they're terrible and we should hope for them to be injured.
- 'We play poorly because we stick to the wide formations'. 'We won't play well till we feck Valencias and Youngs off'. Bollocks. Most of our good games (admittedly there haven't been many) were the ones where the wide players excelled. I can give you 3/4 atrocious performances where Moyes benched Valencia, Nani and Young and tried the ultimately coveted 'little geniuses' in a narrow system. The problem is much deeper.
- 'Nani is too inconsistent to play for us'. Well, first of all give him a long-ish run in the team to determine that.
- Kagawa has been criticized too strongly and even though he's not showing the level of performances he used to show at Dortmund, he hasn't been terrible. I've seen people saying Mata had a great debut. Double standards at best.
- On the other hand, there are those who think he's done enough to play week in week out and is our only hope to play good football 'coz our wingers are feckin shite kick and run innit'.
- 'We would have judged Moyes differently if we played decent football but still found ourselves so low in the table.' Bollocks. It would have changed close to zilch, he's had a few of good ones and it meant nothing. I gave the Chelsea game as the example in another thread. Good football, lost freakishly and the consensus was just like after we lost to WBA at home (when we indeed were terrible).
- Desperately looking to find scapegoats among the individuals. The same scapegoats basically. Valencia and Young have been the main victims of that. It's almost like watching another game to some of the posters on here. Valencia and/or Young have a good/decent game, you come here and everything you learn is they're terrible and we should hope for them to be injured.
- 'We play poorly because we stick to the wide formations'. 'We won't play well till we feck Valencias and Youngs off'. Bollocks. Most of our good games (admittedly there haven't been many) were the ones where the wide players excelled. I can give you 3/4 atrocious performances where Moyes benched Valencia, Nani and Young and tried the ultimately coveted 'little geniuses' in a narrow system. The problem is much deeper.
- 'Nani is too inconsistent to play for us'. Well, first of all give him a long-ish run in the team to determine that.
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I'll give you an unpopular opinion. This squad have completely lost their hunger in the same way the squad did in 2001 when Ferguson first announced his retirement.
Difference then was we had some senior players at the club who were leaders and were able to be the voice of the manager amongst the players. Keane being the obvious example.
This squad is full of over paid wasters who just aren't hungry enough. There's not one leader amongst them.
Difference then was we had some senior players at the club who were leaders and were able to be the voice of the manager amongst the players. Keane being the obvious example.
This squad is full of over paid wasters who just aren't hungry enough. There's not one leader amongst them.
What, at Arsenal?
Christ, can you imagine if Keane was still here? The MUTV studio would have been burned down.
What is Nani doing on there?
Its alright listing players on paper, but football isn't played on paper, under new managers and as a unit Hazard Oscar and Willian are better than those.
The scary thing is I don't see that as controversial. I've been saying for a long long time that the senior players have let us down even moreso than Moyes.
Yes but that opinion is unpopular amongst all those who want Moyes out. I just don't think these players care enough.
I made the point that it's on paper, it's also fair to suggest we've more depth in the final third than Chelsea, and a stronger squad in that area. It's probably also fair to suggest our selection of players may have performed a lot better and to the standard they've been widely acknowledged for under a better manager.
It wouldn't have gotten to this stage if a character like Keane was still part of the squad. Our senior players really aren't leading.
I agree with this. Arsenal supporters should count their lucky stars they have had a manager like him during their tight-fisted period.
It would have. Roy Keane would be playing crap just like most others.
It's more comfortable to say Moyes, our new man, is not up for the job than to say the players we've grown a great liking to and shared multiple winning moments don't give a shit about our beloved club anymore.
To some degree, Moyes' failures so far have been placed solely on himself. But you have to take a step back and look at how he got into that position in the first place - you wouldn't give your cousin Ralph with Down Syndrome the keys to your BMW and get mad when he wraps it around a lightpost. He had no business driving a BMW in the first place.
Its more than fair its an absolute fact. We have scored more, but thats due to the incredible talent we have on the wings and forward midfield, and injuries/stifling of United forwards.
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