Yeah that's genuinely one of the things I'd say Cavani is exceptional at, just brilliant runs in behind and in the box, and yet Ronaldo is clearly better on that front. They're things we know Martial, Rashford and Greenwood aren't that good at, we obviously miss them, but because the movements are so subtle you kind of forget how valuable that one extra step is. Cavani reminded us of that in the game against Southampton and Ronaldo's just going to ram it home this year. Likewise for corners. Ronaldo makes it look easy so it's easy to take for granted!
Unpopular opinion: Ronaldo will be a huge miss
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Yeah that's genuinely one of the things I'd say Cavani is exceptional at, just brilliant runs in behind and in the box, and yet Ronaldo is clearly better on that front. They're things we know Martial, Rashford and Greenwood aren't that good at, we obviously miss them, but because the movements are so subtle you kind of forget how valuable that one extra step is. Cavani reminded us of that in the game against Southampton and Ronaldo's just going to ram it home this year. Likewise for corners. Ronaldo makes it look easy so it's easy to take for granted!
So Cavani works much harder, brings more to the team overall and scores more frequently (in the Premier League, where it counts) when you exclude Ronaldo’s penalties (that Bruno has a higher conversion rate anyway)
Plus he is two years younger.
It’s definitely good to have more than just one elite aging goalscorer in our squad but hard to see any justification for benching Cavani for Ronaldo when both are available. Of course, we both know that will never happen.
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I do and I want the signing to work out and I think it will to an extent but part of me also thinks he’s too influential a signing at the wrong time in his career and in the wrong position for us. He’ll get goals and be a focal point but signing him doesn’t guarantee anything beyond that.
Like Juve and Portugal in the last few years? If it was that foolproof why didn’t we just buy him off Real 3 years ago and win these trophies? The real and main reason we went for him is because we couldn’t let him go to city as it would make us look weak. If he was signing for PSG I’m fairly sure we would have let him off.
See I don’t see this at all when I’m watching Portugal Bruno and Jota take on their fair share of chances only they mess them up more times than not. Even watching last night Ronaldo was invisible in the first half but no other Portugal player could step up, wasn’t until the second half Ronaldo livened up and Portugal looked a threat again with Silva and others having chances but being terrible in front of goal.
You're having a mare here. Seriously. What trophies are Portugal expected to win? Ronaldo was the golden boot winner a few months ago at the Euros. And Juve, they haven't won anything whilst he's been at the club?
Yeah, I would have highlighted the Southampton game. Rashford's cross was decent but Cavani made it look like very good pick up. Even yesterday's game, for the winner Ronaldo was offside, when he player delayed, he came back onside, read the cross to get infront of defender. If it was one of our young players, defender would have cleared that all day long.
Both Cavani and Ronaldo read the aerial passes/crosses very well which gives them the split second advantage. Wish our young players pick one or two things from them.
You're just being negative for being negative at this point. They have hundreds of premier league caps. He's not going to be facing Virgil Van Dyk every week in the premier league and not like he has suffered against them either. Neymar and Messi bully defenders who wouldn't make it to premier league all week but I don't see anyone posting about that?
Just a weak argument all around.
Like I said earlier, now some of the negative nelly's are doubling down. Weird arguments like "poor quality defense" ffs.
Agreed. Jota for Portugal is a different player to the lad who plays for Liverpool. Must be his twin brother. He's awful in front of goal for Portugal. Its bizarre. Maybe its a mental thing?
Portugal made a lot of chances last night. That one where Bernardo is on the edge of the six yard box, cuts inside and skies it over the bar was a criminal miss. Fortunately they have Ronaldo to dig them out.
People acting like its Ronaldo's fault that Portugal and Juve depended on him have got it ar$e backwards. Ronaldo carried Juve because, besides Dybala, nobody else was pulling their weight. Same with Portugal.
Ronaldo will elevate any team. He will make an average team good, he will make a good team very good, he will make a very good team great.
Exactly. People act like, because Premier League defenders are physical, Ronaldo won't eat these guys for lunch.
The standard of Premier League defending is actually nothing to write home about. Its one of the reasons why its taken United so long to recruit a top central defender: There are not that many.
I challenge anyone doubting Ronaldo to give me half a dozen centre back pairings in the Premier League that they think he will struggle with.
they have won some trophies?
reason is price I’d guess. Juve paid £105m I think and £500k/week wages… that’s an expensive three years. £180m+?
we pay £13m (maybe some add ones) and £385k/week. c£53m
He’s been the main focal point in traditionally dominant teams. We aren’t a dominant team these days. They bought him for 100 million (or whatever it was) to win the CL and made it to the quarters isn’t it? They were winning seria A without him every year anyway. He’s won 2, I thought it was only one. The fans weren’t happy with the football. I also don’t think he guarantees you trophies like he used to. That’s all I’m trying to put across.
"Huge miss"??? What does it mean? CR7 will score only 20 goals? CR7 will not bring back CL trophy - we will be only in the semi-final?
CR7 was signed because he brings more commercial power. Because he will score at least 20 goals (many headers which we miss). Because he is a leader. Because mood will be better in locker room. It's not incredible signing but it's very good and club will benefit.
CR7 was signed because he brings more commercial power. Because he will score at least 20 goals (many headers which we miss). Because he is a leader. Because mood will be better in locker room. It's not incredible signing but it's very good and club will benefit.
He put a ball on a plate for Felix who missed it. That was no neutralization.
Portugal had 58 % posession.
Belgium had 6 shots on goal.
Portugal had 23
NaturalizedBy his logic, Dias, Cancelo couldn't keep cleen sheet against these farmers, Bernardo, Jota couldn't score etc
.Are there any examples of top players who are not the main focal point in a traditionally dominant team? Or should all top talents Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar sign for scunthorpe United to service Rory Delap?
Since when have Portugal been a dominant team? Didn’t they absolutely shithouse their way to a trophy? And juve especially under Pirlo was hardly a dominating team.
By his logic, Dias, Cancelo couldn't keep cleen sheet against these farmers, Bernardo, Jota couldn't score etc
I think his anti Ronaldo got the best of him now to say Belgium "neutralized" them by neutralizing Ronaldo when Portugal absolutely dominated that game.
He put a ball on a plate for Felix who missed it. That was no neutralization.
Portugal had 58 % posession.
Belgium had 6 shots on goal.
Portugal had 23
Who went though? Did Ronaldo score? Did Portugal have a plan B? As I said, frustrate Ronaldo and his team is most likely going home. I didn’t say he was a bad player anywhere.
Guys please let this thread die. I die a little inside eveytime i see it at the top of the forum.
I mean this is Ronaldo we are talking about here, lets give him 10 games before we start writing him off, he's earnt that.
I mean this is Ronaldo we are talking about here, lets give him 10 games before we start writing him off, he's earnt that.
Such an empty discussion, of course it will be a huge miss for some people, they expect him to be the close to his 2009, 2014 or even 2018 level, he won't be that, that's why Juve let him go for 15M, the price (plus the wages) put Ronaldo's value on it's right tier, and that's not a game changer player like Mbappe or Haaland in the current market.
But Ronaldo brings the individual level of the team up by a couple notches, yes, maybe if you put him on 50 games this season, those 50 games the team as a whole would look worse than without Ronaldo (playing wise, results depend on other things than your own performances). But at the same time, in games where United need a player that can score out of his ass or light up a defense with his threatening pressence what he offers is unrivaled.
Basically, there's a bunch of key games where you have the season on the line, 8 games? 12 games? 14? It's really hard to get 11 players motivated and playing good in those specific games to create a great team effort, it's much easier to have a player like Ronaldo that will look after himself and be 100% locked on for those select games, then you don't need to have 11 guys giving their 100%, you get Ronaldo at 100% and can go ahead with 4 or 5 guys at that level too while the rest just don't need to screw things up.
But Ronaldo brings the individual level of the team up by a couple notches, yes, maybe if you put him on 50 games this season, those 50 games the team as a whole would look worse than without Ronaldo (playing wise, results depend on other things than your own performances). But at the same time, in games where United need a player that can score out of his ass or light up a defense with his threatening pressence what he offers is unrivaled.
Basically, there's a bunch of key games where you have the season on the line, 8 games? 12 games? 14? It's really hard to get 11 players motivated and playing good in those specific games to create a great team effort, it's much easier to have a player like Ronaldo that will look after himself and be 100% locked on for those select games, then you don't need to have 11 guys giving their 100%, you get Ronaldo at 100% and can go ahead with 4 or 5 guys at that level too while the rest just don't need to screw things up.
By his logic, Dias, Cancelo couldn't keep cleen sheet against these farmers, Bernardo, Jota couldn't score etc
That’s a good way of putting it. At least Ronaldo has the excuse of not being fully match-fit.
So what is your plan? Who do you want?
I don't understand the relevance or what point you're trying to make?
No player is a one man team. Don't think anyone has suggested that. Juve haven't been great under Pirlo and there's a number of different reasons for that. You could argue that without Ronaldo they'd have been even worse and won zero titles. That's far more believable given his contributions than the line you're peddling.
@Ali Dia you are an exceptional misery
Yea this is fair.
We have plenty of other goal scorers.. rashford, Greenwood, Bruno.
Since leaving Madrid it should be said he's still won 2 Italian Titles an Italian Cup and the Nation's League with Portugal.
I mean it's not bad is it ?
I mean it's not bad is it ?
Ali Dia going to the ignored list. You really are the Ali Dia of Redcafe members.
Ronaldo is not a good signing because the golden boot winner was very poor in Euro against Belgium. We should have signed Mbappe then .
.It’s incredible but for a 36 year old you’re obviously going to pay more attention to achievements aged 34-36 than aged 32-34.
I say 36 but he’ll be 37 the next time he wins a trophy. If he wins a trophy.
I think he did alright to score 2 late goals, considering he’d only played 3 halves of football since August prior to the Ireland match..
2 were pens against those sides and these refs seem hell bent on not giving pens this season.
I think between Ronaldo and Cavani we will find enough goals. I honestly don’t honk Cavani gives as much to the team overall as Ronaldo does. With regards to the way we play, it’s an issue without Ronaldo. It’s a real concern but it already exists.
20 - 25 in all comps if he stays a starter as i can see us diving head first into a Ronaldo vs Cavani debate.
I don't need to read the 12 pages to ask the question why do we need threads like these on players who haven't played a single minute for us after transfer?
Doesn't mean what's their history is, it's ancient and we are complete different team now.
Doesn't mean what's their history is, it's ancient and we are complete different team now.
Portugal are better than 95% of the teams in the world. They are currently 8th in the rankings or something. That’s pretty dominant for this example.
This! OP needs to give his head a shake, clear out the cobwebs and get off the meds.
Anyway it’s not like I’m in here willing him to fail. I repeatedly said I want him to do great but i don’t think it’s as easy as just add Ronaldo and watch us win stuff. All I’ve tried to do is convey why i feel that way at this moment in time. He’ll more than likely come in and do a Cavani and that would be great. It’s cool to talk about what if though surely?
Even Messi couldn’t score and got neutralised by Uruguay, Paraguay, Columbia and Brazil in Copa, why expected Ronaldo should score and win every match?
Okay, so you think he wont be a flop, but not a huge success either. And you consider a 20-25 goal/season an average season, which you expect him to have.
Going by this logic, if he gets 30+, I would say he would be a "huge success". All this with the qualifier that he doesnt hamper our overall play too much. So lets see where he ends up at the end of the season. Considering he got 40 last season, I do see him getting 30+.
I wont get into a Cavani/Ronaldo debate, because its stupid. Cavani cant play 2 games in a week, is slightly injury prone, and has question marks over international duty. Even if Ronaldo was not here I would say he would get 25-30 starts max. So I think both Ronaldo and he would get a lot of games, and might even play together. When we have 3 games a week, it would be great to play Cavani in the mid week match w/o worrying about a huge dropoff.
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