Obviously he's different and all that but father time remains undefeated for a reason. I don't really expect him to fail, i just don't expect him to be some huge success. I also am far from convinced that he's actually a better player than Cavani at this present moment in time. Nah i didn't see his physique, didn't even finish the game, but what i did see when i watched the game was a player who was clearly lacking in the qualities that made him indomitable even just 2 seasons ago. Obviously i hope i'm reading too much into one game but even at the euros i can't say i saw any different.
Unpopular opinion: Ronaldo will be a huge miss
- Thread starter Rajma
- Start date
- Status
It’ll be interesting to see which of our players step up when it’s not all going our/Ronaldos way and he starts stropping. I hope our young players have it in them to not freeze and to get us beyond such situations. That’s where I prefer a Cavani personally. He’s more of an aggressive enabler than the star man. Stop Ronaldo (if you can) and you’ve most likely stopped his team from winning.
Statistically speaking, of course, I should’ve clarified. I didn’t mean it so literally — more so in the fact that he was averaging near enough a G/A every 90 at the worst Juventus side I’ve seen in over 10 years. Of course he’s slower, and his feet are less trickier, no man can stop the effects of ageing.
Its PL bench man. Cmon. Big up Ronaldo, he’s great but this is the poorest Irish team from a PL perspective in our lifetime.
Tackles: 25-9
Pressures: 341-253
Interceptions: 14-10
Blocks: 10-18
All in Cavani's favour, except blocks. These are obviously absolute numbers; the difference is more stark if you divide them by minutes played.
But then you don't really need numbers to know that Cavani's workrate is higher than Ronaldo's. The hope is that Ronaldo 1) can play more games than Cavani due to his superior overall fitness, 2) his goalscoring prowess was actually held back by Juve in some way so he'll do better here.
This was the post I replied to, so when you said "Watch what Lukaku added to Inter last season with his overall gameplay, compared to Ronaldo" you meant what Lukaku did when Inter didn't have possession? Like work rate, pressing?
He scored 3 goals in 2 games against France and Germany not long ago. Top scorer in Euro in just 4 games too. Of course he is not going to come up against a team as poor as France or Germany in PL.
Tbh I didn't watch them much last season but whenever I watch them they still manage to control their games. Maybe you're right.
Surely they had some low but also some high as they won against some good teams if my memory serves me right. Imo their problem is rather they're too inconsistent than being shit. They have three different managers in three seasons, adding an inexperienced Pirlo to that and you simply beg for instability.
I think you've quoted the wrong post mate.
I know but then Belgium pretty much neutralised him. I think when you play like Ronaldo and everything goes through you and you win matches singlehandedly you’re always going to get goals. As I said above though. Stop Ronaldo or he has an off day and you’ve most likely stopped his team from winning because there’s usually no plan B
Ronaldo has his positives and neagtives. Hopefully the positives will outweight the negatives. Off the pitch hes a massive positive. Commercially and on the training pitch. He has very high standards and will demand the best from his teammates and manager.
Hopefully the younger players will learn from his example.
On the pitch, it remains to be seen what tactical plan Ole uses to deploy ronaldo. You could argue that a 352 would be best as you could deploy cavani or greenwood alongside ronaldo up front. Howver its more likely to be a 4231 with ronaldo and cavani sharing the no9 role.
Ronaldos presence on the pitch will raise standards and will open up spaces for other players as he will attract defenders into stepping out of position.
In the end, if Ronaldo ends up a miss. Then its Oles fault as manager and ge deserves to be sacked. He has no excuses. No one ever has the perfect squad, the depth is there to challenge for all the major trophies.
Hopefully the younger players will learn from his example.
On the pitch, it remains to be seen what tactical plan Ole uses to deploy ronaldo. You could argue that a 352 would be best as you could deploy cavani or greenwood alongside ronaldo up front. Howver its more likely to be a 4231 with ronaldo and cavani sharing the no9 role.
Ronaldos presence on the pitch will raise standards and will open up spaces for other players as he will attract defenders into stepping out of position.
In the end, if Ronaldo ends up a miss. Then its Oles fault as manager and ge deserves to be sacked. He has no excuses. No one ever has the perfect squad, the depth is there to challenge for all the major trophies.
Cavani's work rate is probably matched by very few CFs in league or europe, especially player of his ability. He tracks back when one of the defensive player pushes up and we lose possession, sort of like watching young Rooney.
Also on that goal scoring record, player with fewer mins always skew these stats. Bale was by far the best player when it came to goals per 90 mins, he was around 50% better than the second player in the table. Bale was also 2nd or 3rd in top 5 leagues.
Anyways like you said, it's a good problem to have. We will have 2 superb goal scorers and one of the best headers of the ball. Probably top 2 when it comes to off the ball movement in last 10 years too. Hopefully our young players pick a thing or 2 from these 2 players.
Yeah seems like that, just twisting it to suit their opinion. Probably all Messi fans.
I'm, not 100% sure what your asking if it beyond what answered this in the previous post:
"from a naked eye i would have said Lukaku cover significantly more ground when his team is out of possession. But the stats don't show that. So I'm obviously wrong on that 1, and Lukaku's work rate is higher but not significantly higher going by these stats."
You’re complaining about something that hasn’t and most likely will never happen.
isn't everyone a Messi fan?
sorry but this is almost us bizarre as the bloke on here telling me Ruud wasn't a good purchase! Ronaldo is very possibly the greatest of all time. In case you haven't noticed, it doesn't matter how you score a goal (poached or penalty) - they all count. And he has scored rather more than most
Its happened for Portugal and Juve recently?
I'm asking did you mean work rate or player's overall contribution like link up play, taking on players, creating chances. You said Lukaku added lot with his overall play and Ronaldo was more of a box player, so I was asking what did you mean by overall gameplay.
Some absolute bollocks being spouted in here
It only happened for Portugal when Jota took about 3 goal scoring chances off him and Juve obviously there was stuff going on behind the scenes and he still bagged a ton of goals.
Oh he's gone already?
I meant work rate, I would point out that it wasn't me who brought Lukaku into the conversation, it was a previous poster replying to a previous post of mine, and like I said my assessment of Lukaku was "from a naked eye i would have said Lukaku cover significantly more ground when his team is out of possession. But the stats don't show that. So I'm obviously wrong on that 1, and Lukaku's work rate is higher but not significantly higher going by these stats."
It is a possibility, he could actually become a problem in our team in the way that the time plays better without him even if he is scoring goals regularly. It seems like it was problem at Juve, at least according to some of their fans.
Okay. Quantify it then. How many goals do you expect Ronaldo to score this season?
Not just yet, but Howard Nurse reckons Madrid are in for him. £80m being mooted.
Fair enough, thanks for clearing it up.
Let’s give him a chance first shall we, it’s a different team and different manager.
Ah right, just had a read of Nurse's article. I don't think he'll be missed... there's a lad from Bordeaux called Obertan we're interested in, looks fecking mustard.
Remember reading the same posts when we sold Ronaldo back in 2009.
Attention seeker.
No worries
You do know we have both Cavani and Ronaldo?
United will need to attempt playing a back 3 of Lindelof, Varane and Maguire at some points of the season imo. Just like Portugal and Juve should have played a back 3 in some games in the past few years given there have been midfield problems in all of those teams.
Ronaldo won’t help much when the team is being pressed and can’t get their football going. Playing a back 3 would allow the team to be more comfortable in possession, more solid defensively in games where they’ll go long periods where they get dominated and it would take a lot of the burden away from the midfield when it comes to beating the press, which it will be a problem often.
There are solutions to the tactical problems that will no doubt appear throughout the season, it’s up to the management to figure it out
Ronaldo won’t help much when the team is being pressed and can’t get their football going. Playing a back 3 would allow the team to be more comfortable in possession, more solid defensively in games where they’ll go long periods where they get dominated and it would take a lot of the burden away from the midfield when it comes to beating the press, which it will be a problem often.
There are solutions to the tactical problems that will no doubt appear throughout the season, it’s up to the management to figure it out
We don't have great wing backs to pull that off. 4-2-3-1 with Pogba as winger worked well.
I think Ronaldo will be a big plus if the manager and the rest of the team are strong enough not to defer to him at every opportunity.
Good players demand the ball all the time, and other good players make the right choices regardless.
The issues folks have highlighted with Juventus and particularly Portugal is that it seemed everything had to go through (or to) Ronaldo. Really annoys me when watching Portugal. I'm not sure whether it's due to a management decision or just a case of star struck teammates. However, if other forward players are allowed to express themselves, there's absolutely no reason why the wealth of goals he brings won't elevate us considerably
Good players demand the ball all the time, and other good players make the right choices regardless.
The issues folks have highlighted with Juventus and particularly Portugal is that it seemed everything had to go through (or to) Ronaldo. Really annoys me when watching Portugal. I'm not sure whether it's due to a management decision or just a case of star struck teammates. However, if other forward players are allowed to express themselves, there's absolutely no reason why the wealth of goals he brings won't elevate us considerably
Actually amazing considering both are in their later years, problem with Cavani is that he struggles with fitness while Ronaldo doesn't have that problem (yet at least). Will be great to have two of the best to choose from.
I’m not saying you should move away from that. But there will be times where shifting to a back 3 will be necessary imo. It should be an option that’s being prepared in the training ground at least
Some shite in this thread. He will score goals. They will win trophies. Really that simple.
We played 3 at the back few times in 2019-20 season, we had mixed results and performance.
This will be a big issue.
Can see all the young players trying to pass to Ronaldo all the time, even though a better ball maybe on.
- Status