I've stayed away from most threads today as I anticipated the OTT reaction from last night.
Unpopular (AKA fickle) opinion time on AWB.....
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I've stayed away from most threads today as I anticipated the OTT reaction from last night.
I didn't - I stuck around - everything was the fault of the referee or the FA
I mean they're berating the FA for something that they had zero to do with anything, berating a player for being useless and incapable of doing anything right and then bemoaning that we didn't get a penalty - for a foul on a layer incapable of doing anything right
To an extent. I certainly would not be cheering on my new sugar daddy, whoever they are. I believe there's another thread for this if you want to talk about it.
What exactly would Dalot have done so much better than Bissaka that would mean we "probably win"?
I'm genuinely confused by this. There's this weird thing on this forum where Bissaka is judged by this unique set of standards that only seem to apply to him, where in he's expected to be more productive going forwards than most actual forwards are.
Dalot has 1 assist this season, the same as Bissaka. The goal we conceded had nothing to do with Bissaka at all and he actually played pretty well. So i dont understand the criticiem and i doubly don't understand how Dalot would have been that much better. Maybe I imagined it but he also saved us from losing at the end with a brilliant piece of defending.
Our Fullback positions are probably the only ones where our second choice options are good enough to be interchangeable with the first choice ones.
Thats exactly the issue. You compare AWB with Dalot using the number of assists.
Its their differences in their overall game play (for example how Dalot communicates better with Antony etc), that (till now) makes Dalot much more important than AWB. It's the same with DDG. Yes he made two good saves, however if you had someone like Alison or Raya yesterday (or actually in any game) you have more probabilities of winning just because they are more positive and productive in their game play.
Just to be clear: I m not blaming AWB (or DDG) for yesterday's result. They did their job much better than most yesterday. I m just saying that
a) this AWB is not much different than the 2019 AWB
B) I completely disagree with the praise that he was Motm etc
C) Dalot is a more complete player and we are playing better with him in the squad, regardless if AWB is playing solidly.
Not really, IMO there's a difference between supporting the team vs supporting the club
The way AWB is playing now I won't be surprised that he will be the first choice.
Totally disagree that we were much better when Dalot played. Both of them are pretty close overall but AWB is better defensively.
Totally disagree that we were much better when Dalot played. Both of them are pretty close overall but AWB is better defensively.
AWB is in the driving seat now. Once Dalot is fully fit, if AWB drops his standards for one or two games then Dalot comes in, he'll be hungry to get his place back and play well. Its great having competition for places, it drives players to continue to maintain form and also strive to improve. It brings pressure as well but AWB is thriving, same way Shaw has been since he was brought back into the team after being left out.
Based on this showing Dalot will be straight back in when he's fit.
Dalot plays at RB and I don’t think we concede possession so easily and cheaply.
On the other hand, no way Dalot could make that goal saving tackle against Palace.
Neither are elite full backs but I’d pick Dalot overall .
On the other hand, no way Dalot could make that goal saving tackle against Palace.
Neither are elite full backs but I’d pick Dalot overall .
He’s been really good lately so I’m not going to hammer him but he needs to do better on their goal
He’s looked off it all half tbh
He’s looked off it all half tbh
Dalot is a better player. Not just because of todays goal, but he just seems to offer more in terms of presence and consistency.
How can him and McT be so bad at reading the game? They run, they try, the are not talentless, but they are always away from action.
Wan Bissaka’s back post defending will cost you a goal at least once every two to three games.
It’s abysmal.
It’s abysmal.
Horrific footballer. Always has been, always will be. Terrible on the ball, terrible off the ball. All he can do is tackle & run.
Never, ever, in a million years good enough for a club like United.
Never, ever, in a million years good enough for a club like United.
Lolz
The fact you still think this after 2 years of posters telling you how shite he is at actual defending, and especially his back post defending is almost funny.
Dalot is a miles better defender. You won’t see Martinez high fiving AWB too often, put it that way.
Like clockwork, ‘twas only a few games before we conceded due to him falling asleep at the backpost. He’s probably incorrigible at this point, I refuse to believe that none of the coaches we had since he came here pointed that out to him.
Just so bad with his defensive awareness when at the back-post. Always has been.
Unfair to be overly critical after one bad goal but it was a snapshot of some of the reasons Dalot is favoured. Better in possession, better in the air, better at dealing with balls to the back post. Mistakes happen but those are classic AWB mistakes.
He has been better recently so don't want to be too harsh, but his basic skillset is still his basic skillset.
He has been better recently so don't want to be too harsh, but his basic skillset is still his basic skillset.
Dalot is essential to our team attacking dynamics, and AWB has performed admirably in his absence. But Dalot offers so much more to help the team in attack and with the high press we like to use now.
I dislike how AWB let his man dribble from the halfway line to our box before making the tackle, costs us space on the pitch that is essential. And he is unsteady in possession of the ball, everyone knows this and Arsenal exploited it for the process in their goal.
Dalot links up with Anthony better and so for me he goes back into the team in February.
I dislike how AWB let his man dribble from the halfway line to our box before making the tackle, costs us space on the pitch that is essential. And he is unsteady in possession of the ball, everyone knows this and Arsenal exploited it for the process in their goal.
Dalot links up with Anthony better and so for me he goes back into the team in February.
Palace and Arsenal, 2 games back to back he doesn't challenge his man and lets them get a free header that results in a goal.
When is Dalot back?
When is Dalot back?
The flip flopping in this thread 
AWB is shite we should sell him now that he’s seen some resurgence in his market value
AWB is shite we should sell him now that he’s seen some resurgence in his market valueI think he’s atrocious, and a good AWB game is a game where he’s as little involved as possible. That’s saying a lot in todays football where his exact position has been heavily prioritised.
I thought Palace's goal was from a worldie free kick?
He’s very hard to beat one on one with the ball on the ground, unfortunately he doesn’t have much else in his locker. He’s capable of being better going forward but he generally doesn’t have enough composure on the ball. He can pull off some skills every now and then, but he looks like he’s winging it and it’s not the kind of thing that works when trying to play out from the back.
You expect facts in here??
He'd be an amazing 5 a side player.
He's played fairly well of late I will give him that but I don't change my mind on players after a small upturn in form like many on here do.
Thought he handled Martinelli well today but he still cost us a cheap goal because he can't defend his back post. He also offers zero threat in attack. Overall it's still been a pretty disastrous signing for 50m.
Thought he handled Martinelli well today but he still cost us a cheap goal because he can't defend his back post. He also offers zero threat in attack. Overall it's still been a pretty disastrous signing for 50m.
No he wouldn’t. He doesn’t think quick enough. Completely reactive, never proactive.
I was thinking of the City equaliser. My mistake I'm half asleep
I don't know if we get a different result yesterday with Dalot, but I wouldn't mind him stepping back in. It wouldn't go against ETH principles as we have to rotate anyway, and it wasn't one of AWB better games. I like having 2 decent FBs... I just hope one of them takes the step up to Evra or Neville levels
just seeing the £50 million tag I completely forgot about. That's insane.
I think this is how quite a few of our players are going to be. Not as poor as their previous form has suggested but they still have fundamental issues in their game. AwB will cost you goals. Cheap goals. Completely unnecessary ones. For Arsenals first he even looks at the attacker before letting him trot in for the tap in. I don't know how easy that is to coach out of players. Its concentration and application.
Its these sort of games that sort the men from the boys. The tight ones against good opposition. The ones where you can't switch off. Trent is a great example of the extreme end of this. When Liverpool are dominating and flying high, his weakness as a defender isn't so apparent. When things are tough and you aren't firing on all cylinders, you can't afford to have defenders who can't defend.
Its these sort of games that sort the men from the boys. The tight ones against good opposition. The ones where you can't switch off. Trent is a great example of the extreme end of this. When Liverpool are dominating and flying high, his weakness as a defender isn't so apparent. When things are tough and you aren't firing on all cylinders, you can't afford to have defenders who can't defend.
I bet he woke up with an ETH sized hand mark across the back of his mullet this morning.
Evra was world class. So that’s unlikely.
Think the first goal doesnt happen for two reasons. Dalot is good in those situations where DDG passes out. However even if he loses the ball, and same play happen (eg corner, and then cross), Dalot has shown his backpost defending is fantastic.
Theres a possibility the third goal doesnt happen because Dalot would have better positioning.
Dalot is actually very good on the ball, we have seen him this season in build up, so our possession would have been better, less likely to be under pressure all game.
The first goal, he could have prevented the corner by playing to another player or won a throw in. However; we conceded from a corner and there was a fair bit of play from his mistake to the goal. There was a game earlier this season, I forgot who against but I think Dalot won about 6/7 back post headers, might have been Liverpool but I am convinced Dalot defends that better. AWB has always had a weakness defending his back post.
Finally, the third goal, AWB just backs off, doesn't engage the ball carrier, doesn't mark the wide man, he needs to do one or the other.
This is nonsense.
Dalot isn't in AWB's league in terms of 1 v 1 defending and would have found it extremely difficult being isolated with Martinelli so many times.
Over the last 2 seasons Dalot's faced 2.41 dribbles and been dribbled past 1.02 times per 90 minutes, Wan-Bissaka has faced 1.17 dribbles and been dribbled past 0.27 times.
Dalot is certainly in a different league in back post heading and is better in the buildup but to imply we would have got a better result with Dalot in team is ridiculous.
Wan-Bissaka had a good game yesterday, I've seen all of our fullbacks from Neville to Irwin to Evra all make mistakes so to expect perfection every game is realistic.
Except the tackle, AWB has always been bad at everything in defending too. His marking is bad, jumping is bad and awareness is also bad. He can tackle for sure probably one of the best in the world.
Time to move on. Hopefully his half decent performances give us a good buyer.
Where in my post have I said the result is different? I said the 2 goals could be avoided because the way Dalot plays.
We can compare different league campaigns all we like but the fact is Dalot is an improved player this year.
I have seen his defending improve alot more in the last 6 months.
There is a difference between mistakes and weakness btw. AWB has glaring weaknesses and only 1 thing going in his favour, 1 v 1 defending.
His possession play and back post play is a weakness not a mistake. A mistake is something that you dont expect. I expect AWB to be pressed and lose possession. I expect AWB to fall asleep on the back post, its happened so many times to call it a mistake.