Seems like a bit of a smooth brain. Literally all he had to do was keep his composure and we win comfortably tonight
Unpopular (AKA fickle) opinion time on AWB.....
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Ok, I changed my mind, he can feck off.
Pogba usually makes that challenge when it runs away from him. It happens.
Red cards can happen to literally anyone. His overall quality is what makes him a bigger question mark than a daft tackle tonight. He's got a lot of glaring weaknesses.
I don't rate him but it's too easy to pin all the blame on him. He's doesn't usually make bad tackles like that and the reaction from the team in going down to down was terrible.
Well, I would say most of the blame probably is on him in this instance. We don't lose that game if he doesn't do that.
It doesn't mean we make sweeping judgements on him as a player but let's call a spade a spade, if you get sent off in the first half at this level, even if it's not against a CL giant you are in trouble.
He's a very large part of why we lost tonight. We can analyse the mistakes after that in terms of approach and further individual mistakes but still..
Good for the championship
Do you reckon Leeds might be interested?
Cost us the game, let’s hope he learns from it, got 5 games to make up for it
Yeah you're right. If there isn't a red card I think we win comfortably. Don't think it excuses the performance thereafter though.
I’d have Dalot ahead of him every game. He’s a £50m gamble which has turned out shit. I’ve been saying this since last season. Put him on the bench (when not suspended) and let Dalot play week in week out!
Where we watching the same game did you see Dalot?
You cannot have top player in every goddamned position. We are not City or Chelsea with oil money. It never happens. Gary Neville wasn't a great right back, as well, far from the best, but United was winning everything with him.
AWB got a red card, can happen to anybody, and he is suddenly a villain. Feck that. What we need is a proper DFM, not a RB. When we were 10 it became even more important to have a proper DFM. Also, starting Lindelof (who cost us first of their goals) and bringing in Lingard (who added nothing to attack and cost us ridiculous second goal) were the worst decisions that really cost us the points. This is Young Boys FFS, we could have won with 10 players.
AWB got a red card, can happen to anybody, and he is suddenly a villain. Feck that. What we need is a proper DFM, not a RB. When we were 10 it became even more important to have a proper DFM. Also, starting Lindelof (who cost us first of their goals) and bringing in Lingard (who added nothing to attack and cost us ridiculous second goal) were the worst decisions that really cost us the points. This is Young Boys FFS, we could have won with 10 players.
So he’s got to come on and take off like a rocket. Give the lad a chance, 10 games to prove himself!
I mean he did cost £50 million. I’m not sure money is an excuse for right back being an issue.
And most importantly, he still has the same weaknesses as he had when he signed over two years ago. That’s what annoys me about him. You’d think that he’d be able to improve at least one aspect of his game in over two years at one of the biggest clubs in the world, yet he’s the exact same player he was two years ago with the same weaknesses he had back then.
AWB is better than him by streaks. I kept tabs on his loan move he isn't what you think.
Neither is Trippier, only RB that could do it is Max Aarons but he's too small for me.
Ronaldo cost us games against City getting sent off in his first spell. Neville, Keane, Rio. United has been a club that always gives youth a chance, how do youth learn? Make mistakes and grow I'm not going to say a 22 year old RB is rubbish when he has produced some world class performances against Mane, Sterling Mbappe and many more. He has a skillset many want to ignore because they have limited understanding why Ole goes with him instead.
Pogba has made a similar mistake with his touch vs Wolves, he didn't get booked, today AWB did get booked feck it sucks but its football. Our fanbase frustrates me sometimes.
He's a B-rank right back, nowhere near Hakimi, Trent, James, Pereira, Walker. He isn't a bright player at all, but he's reasonably solid in some aspects. Long-term he needs to be upgraded upon, In 2-3 years time. Laird has far more potential than he does I'd say for starters.
He was playing okay actually, was getting forward. Even got a cross into the box. You can tell that he was drilled to overlap with Sancho and back him up. Unfortunately, a rush of blood to the head after his touch let him down. It can happen. Pogba got away with a very similar challenge against Wolves, when his touch let him down. And nobody is calling him Championship standard.
Find the footage of AWB playing for Palace against City. He was tearing them apart. Had Sterling in his pocket. He was immense. Head and shoulders the best player on the pitch.
Yes, the red card did cost us the game in the end. But only because we overly adapted the team to a more defensive one, and gave up any type of formation or gameplan. We capitulated the win through fear of conceding, when we should have just sat deep with the same formation, and hit them on the break. It was like they were planning to give Dalot some game time, but in this situation with 10 men, we needed Varane. He only realised this at half time, so hooked VDB and in the process handing over the middle of the pitch to YB's. Sancho was probably the right person to take off, but it should have been for Varane at CB with Lindelof at RB.
Fred and Pogba in a 2 is a disaster. They were completely overun.
Find the footage of AWB playing for Palace against City. He was tearing them apart. Had Sterling in his pocket. He was immense. Head and shoulders the best player on the pitch.
Yes, the red card did cost us the game in the end. But only because we overly adapted the team to a more defensive one, and gave up any type of formation or gameplan. We capitulated the win through fear of conceding, when we should have just sat deep with the same formation, and hit them on the break. It was like they were planning to give Dalot some game time, but in this situation with 10 men, we needed Varane. He only realised this at half time, so hooked VDB and in the process handing over the middle of the pitch to YB's. Sancho was probably the right person to take off, but it should have been for Varane at CB with Lindelof at RB.
Fred and Pogba in a 2 is a disaster. They were completely overun.
Dalot was much better than AWB has been all season, and Dalot didn't even really do anything.
Wan Bissaka has a horrible first touch, he can't cross, gets caught out defensively seemingly all the time and most worryingly he isn't improving in any of those areas. Time for Dalot.
awb can tackle.. and thats about it.. everything else he's terrible.
Lacks any skill, flair, creativity. Just a really boring player with many flaws on both ends and just the one redeeming quality. Funny thing its exactly what was written on the tin. Don't know why we thought it would turn out any different.
We’ll gladly have him back, no question. What would you take for him?
Viera in midfield please.
Can’t plays at this level, even at leeds, would be benched by ayling, a far better player at 360°
he has no knowledge of the game, no marking abilities, first touch and passing at sunday league level
He can make big bloopers in every moment, you don’t know exactly when, but you know it will happen for sure at some point
he has no knowledge of the game, no marking abilities, first touch and passing at sunday league level
He can make big bloopers in every moment, you don’t know exactly when, but you know it will happen for sure at some point
£50m down the drain. Another £40m on Van de Beek and £30m on players that aren't ready in Amad and Pellestri and suddenly the only thing Ole gets credit for in bringing in the players doesn't look as good.
Same goal involvements last season in the PL as Shaw...
Shaw. Total PL apps: 192, Goals:2, Assists: 13
AWB. Total PL apps: 115, Goals:2, Assists: 11
People want to be right about him being wrong for us but today was a freak event, he's a top RB and needs intensive coaching (as all young players do).
Please don't compare him to Shaw. World's apart.
If you've been on here longer than a couple of seasons you'd remember the days people were clamouring for Shaw to be sold as well. Shaw is 26, AWB is 23, focus has to be on developing our players.
I think he's a great player for when we play teams with a flying winger and he needs to lock down the side and dominate 1v1s.
Outside of that, I think we need another RB.
Outside of that, I think we need another RB.
This is Bissaka´s first red card in a United shirt, is it not? Sooner or later you will get one, so give him some slack. He might not be world class, but overall he´s been a good signing and he´s been a steady defender for us.
You don't learn how to pass and control the ball at 23. The issues with Shaw were very different to AWB. Other than his reluctance to put in aerial crosses, nobody was here questioning his technical ability, a fundamental for a footballer. His issues were tactical and mental mainly, things that generally see improvement over the course of a career. Technical skills usually plateau pretty early in a players development and mental/tactical development takes the forefront. You need to consider that AWB's been surrounded by coaches aiming to get the best out of him for probably a decade or so now and been practising passing and controlling a ball since that time. If at this point his technical ability is where it is, I'm not sure there's much more to expect in the coming years.
He has still time and room to improve a lot on the ball. I hope he does.
See you in three years and we'll know I guess.
If you can provide any evidence for that claim re technical skills plateauing I would be interested in it as that seems counter-intuitive.
Agreed.
I actually thought Ole may have preferred Dalot at the weekend given how Newcastle were going to play and the licence it would give our full backs to play higher up the pitch and get crosses in.
It seems like it's a weakness that Ole is aware of which presumably is why we were so strongly linked with Trippier all summer. Hopefully that would either gives us better attacking output from the right or have a similar effect to Telles on Shaw and force him to work on the deficiencies of his game. I don't know if you can 'train' a first touch of a 23 year old professional footballer, but either way we need more of an attacking contribution from the right hand side.
He´s not that bad at it. He doesn´t often give away the ball in dangerous areas because of bad ball control and his pass accuracy is pretty much on level with Shaw.
Sorry I should rephrase that as fundamental technical skills (not shooting for example, but the things every player practises daily from an early age and applies to various scenarios, like controlling the ball, dribbling, etc.) Anything I can provide will be anecdotal, but I suppose the best way I can explain my reasoning is by asking you the reverse question — why do you think they'll improve? It isn't like decision making where as you receive tactical instructions and experience top-level games, you gain better understanding of how to deal with different scenarios. Fundamentals like ball control are things that are practised from an early age. At this point, what could AWB have missed in his years of training or not experienced enough that would make a difference at this point in his career? He's probably controlled a ball hundreds of thousands of times in his career now and still isn't at the level of other players.
He might improve under a better coach but right now I really wish we'd signed Trippier.
Excellent Post!