United @ Sunderland Match Thread

[phunky]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>It's early days. We won't dominate many games like that without scoring.</strong><hr></blockquote>

From what i saw, we weren't exactly dominating the match in the 2nd half. Although it's tough to say this, Sunderland does deserve this point N if we couldn't score from the dozen chances, we can blame no one.

 

[sunny]

Originally posted by Murt:
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Let the club down perhaps, i personally dont find it embaressing that we have dirty player sin our team. But he didnt cost us anything today, and his suspension will collide with a European period or an operation so its an enforced rest.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry Murt..Cant agree with you on this..We needed Keane on the pitch as a captain and not off.

 

[mike1116]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>Listen to you lot - we might just as well give up now </strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly, what's wrong with a home win and two away draws?

 

[MauritianRed]

Originally posted by sunny:
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Not at all..We are all behind the team but I guess sometimes I have to admit that Fergie looses me</strong><hr></blockquote>I'll go one step further and say Fergie is not really a tactical Master.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by Murt:
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Let the club down perhaps, i personally dont find it embaressing that we have dirty player sin our team. But he didnt cost us anything today, and his suspension will collide with a European period or an operation so its an enforced rest.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you support Keane more than United! Come on Murt. I don't want to see the club being compared to Arsenal.

There's nothing to say we can't be beaten in the games he'll miss - you can't just assume that he's cost us nothing.

He cost us plenty today. Not just measured in points either.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by sunny:
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Well said Neil...We should have this in the bag!!!We have no cover in front or at the back. Now midfield looks short too....

Sorry to sound pessimistic..But our side does not look good enough. We had complete control in the first half and thats when wxe should have scored 2 or 3..And ROnaldo's joined Madrid..Thats about all I needed</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thats how I feel too. I said during the close season that our squad looks light and we've been lucky previously with injuries and was told we've had the odd player out before, we'll be alright. Our squad needed strengthening, not just one extra central defender and backup keeper, with lots of players leaving including a striker.

Now, needlessly, we're going to lose Keane probably for a lot of games, and Mickey's now injured too. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by sunny:
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Sorry Murt..Cant agree with you on this..We needed Keane on the pitch as a captain and not off.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I blame Keano - we would have won the game if he hadn't been sent off <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[sunny]

Originally posted by mike1116:
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Exactly, what's wrong with a home win and two away draws?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nothing wrong if we aim to finish in the top 5!!!

We beat Chelsea 3-0 last year, SUnderland 3 - 1 with a second string as well...Thats all ..

 

[pjaya]

Originally posted by ste_grassham:
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his so called operation will take him out for 3mts so they say! so unless we play one game a month for 3 months! then your wrong. we need this player as much lor even more than rvn and he has let everyone at man utd down yet again.</strong><hr></blockquote>

As if you don't know his temperement! Keane is Keane.

Do you have to find a scapegoat everytime we draw! hell like we fecking lost the game!

 

[phunky]

Originally posted by Murt:
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Let the club down perhaps, i personally dont find it embaressing that we have dirty player sin our team. But he didnt cost us anything today, and his suspension will collide with a European period or an operation so its an enforced rest.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not IMO. It says something abt us as a whole,Manchester United, when ur skipper obviously goes in with an elbow against a cnut whom he has a personal vendetta...

This is getting silly... i hope Keano doesn't turn crazy overnight n announce his retirement tomolo, ala Cantona... <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by MauritianRed:
<strong>I'll go one step further and say Fergie is not really a tactical Master.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Are you talking about the formation, the selection, or the late use of subs?

I don't think that apart from the subs thing, you can blame Fergie today - we had plenty of chances, but just didn't take them. Hardly Fergie's fault.

 

[MauritianRed]

Originally posted by mike1116:
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Exactly, what's wrong with a home win and two away draws?</strong><hr></blockquote>The two away draws could easily have been two away wins, meaning 4 extra points - meaning 4 more points against the likes of Arse and 'Pool. Titles are not won or lost only the last day of the season.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Good idea.

Drop Ruud and Ole, and put Diego up front on his own. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Liv, I meant playing 3 up front from soon after they scored, we needed a goal.

 

[MancFanFromManc]

I didnt forsee the Irish feuds before hand. Basics really.

That aside we controlled so much of the first half it should have been all over by the break. You could sense that not getting a second goal would made for an iffy second half and so it turned out.

RVN cant go on squandering chances if we're to stamp our authority on the Prem.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by sunny:
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Nothing wrong if we aim to finish in the top 5!!!

We beat Chelsea 3-0 last year, SUnderland 3 - 1 with a second string as well...Thats all ..</strong><hr></blockquote>

We lost the league at home last year. Our defence has been strengthened - we'll be fine.

 

[ste_grassham]

Originally posted by pjaya:
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As if you don't know his temperement! Keane is Keane.

Do you have to find a scapegoat everytime we draw! hell like we fecking lost the game!</strong><hr></blockquote>

i do yeah!

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>
So you support Keane more than United! Come on Murt. I don't want to see the club being compared to Arsenal.
There's nothing to say we can't be beaten in the games he'll miss - you can't just assume that he's cost us nothing.
He cost us plenty today. Not just measured in points either.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, i dont support Keane more than utd and us having a few dirty players is nothing compared to Arsenal. Hell miss a few games, we have plenty of midfielders and in the following schedule

sat PL
tue CL
sun PL
Wed CL
Sat PL
i dont think its a problem if hes rested for the domestic games and Butt/ Veron etc brought in for the league games.
Today he cost me absolutely nothing, he got sent off, its not something that i feel ashamed of.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by sunny:
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Nothing wrong if we aim to finish in the top 5!!!

We beat Chelsea 3-0 last year, SUnderland 3 - 1 with a second string as well...Thats all ..</strong><hr></blockquote>

And we drew Sunderalnd two-three years ago, and finished the league with a record number of points

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by MauritianRed:
<strong>The two away draws could easily have been two away wins, meaning 4 extra points - meaning 4 more points against the likes of Arse and 'Pool. Titles are not won or lost only the last day of the season.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Very true.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Liv, I meant playing 3 up front from soon after they scored, we needed a goal.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know.

I was kidding ya.

 

[phunky]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I blame Keano - we would have won the game if he hadn't been sent off <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Of cos that's not the point. If you had seen that match, you'd feel that the incident's redundant... pretty stupid i would say..

 

[CremboMan]

It's clearly all Barthez's fault anyway... that mad frenchman

 

[sunny]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Are you talking about the formation, the selection, or the late use of subs?

I don't think that apart from the subs thing, you can blame Fergie today - we had plenty of chances, but just didn't take them. Hardly Fergie's fault.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry Livvie! Dont agree..The fact that we did not get a striker means that Fergie wants to stick to his 4 5 1. ANd I think that a regular team should be maintained rather than just tinkering. He played 4 5 1 on Wednesday..Why not just carry on rather than coming up again to 4 4 2.. and that too away from home. We need a settled side thats all....

 

[CremboMan]

Originally posted by sunny:
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Sorry Livvie! Dont agree..The fact that we did not get a striker means that Fergie wants to stick to his 4 5 1. ANd I think that a regular team should be maintained rather than just tinkering. He played 4 5 1 on Wednesday..Why not just carry on rather than coming up again to 4 4 2.. and that too away from home. We need a settled side thats all....</strong><hr></blockquote>

IMO he was forced to play 4-4-2 because Butt and Scholes were out injured...

 

[pjaya]

Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>
Today he cost me absolutely nothing, he got sent off, its not something that i feel ashamed of.</strong><hr></blockquote>

but ppl will continue moaning about the points loses because of him!

 

[MauritianRed]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>


Are you talking about the formation, the selection, or the late use of subs?

I don't think that apart from the subs thing, you can blame Fergie today - we had plenty of chances, but just didn't take them. Hardly Fergie's fault.</strong><hr></blockquote>I just think when things are not happening we sometimes need a shake up. I would have introduced Forlan after Sunderland's goal. Maybe play 4-3-3.

 

[sunny]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
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We lost the league at home last year. Our defence has been strengthened - we'll be fine.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Defense is not 1 player but a squad..We have got rid of three (Irwin, Johnsen and Wallwork) and got in only ONE!!!!!!

 

[pjaya]

Originally posted by ste_grassham:
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i do yeah!</strong><hr></blockquote>

then go ahead! so whose you next scapegoat?

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>

No, i dont support Keane more than utd and us having a few dirty players is nothing compared to Arsenal. Hell miss a few games, we have plenty of midfielders and in the following schedule

sat PL
tue CL
sun PL
Wed CL
Sat PL
i dont think its a problem if hes rested for the domestic games and Butt/ Veron etc brought in for the league games.
Today he cost me absolutely nothing, he got sent off, its not something that i feel ashamed of.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If we don't miss him, then he can't be the great Captain that we think he is.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by sunny:
<strong>

Defense is not 1 player but a squad..We have got rid of three (Irwin, Johnsen and Wallwork) and got in only ONE!!!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>


O'Shea counts as another. Johnsen was always injured, and Wallwork was a non-entity.

 

[ste_grassham]

Originally posted by pjaya:
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then go ahead! so whose you next scapegoat?</strong><hr></blockquote>

papa smurf

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by phunky:
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Of cos that's not the point. If you had seen that match, you'd feel that the incident's redundant... pretty stupid i would say..</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have no doubt it was very stupid - but you make it sounds as if we would have won if Keano hadn't been sent of 30 secs before the final whistle.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>

And we drew Sunderalnd two-three years ago, and finished the league with a record number of points

</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was about to say that!

WE DREW AT SUNDERLAND AND CHELSEA AND WON THE LEAGUE BY A MILE

 

[mickeythomas]

Just watched it on TV.
O'shea was great. Giggs good in the first half. Ferdinand good throughout. Veron faded.

Keane is just stupid. He gave Neville a lot of grief, in fact he pushed him, because Neville was on a yellow card when he made a late challenge and could have been sent off. 15 minutes later he gets himself sent off for deliberately using an elbow on McAteer. He applies one rule for his teammates and another for himself. Also he lets McAteer win their personal dispute.

It's frustrating because he had a great game until then.

 

[sunny]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I was about to say that!

WE DREW AT SUNDERLAND AND CHELSEA AND WON THE LEAGUE BY A MILE</strong><hr></blockquote>

Livvie I know all this..The only thing I am worried is tht we have a real hard end of season and two points would have been useful in the bag..Especially as we dominated in the first half.

 

[MauritianRed]

Peeps here are getting the wrong idea that Keano cost us the game. What "some of us" are saying is that in the long run Keano's stupid act will affect Utd. At present we don't have Butt and Scholes. Can we really afford to lose Keane the more so as Giggs and Veron have still not yet reached their stride.

 

[Tonjo]

I think Keane has got to control his temper against teams with those Irish players that goes against him during the last world cup. Sunderland happens to be one of them with a few of those players. The United team has lost the plot. They seems to be "afraid". Veron is playing safe, Giggs is afraid to get injured. With Keane going on a long long suspension, the sending off together with what the FA is going to impose,Butt and Scholes has got to get fit fast.One surprise is RVN who was not involved in the world cup, looked tired and slow. Lets bring on some of the youngsters; bring back Weber, try Djordic or Pugh on the left.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by mickeythomas:
<strong>Just watched it on TV.
O'shea was great. Giggs good in the first half. Ferdinand good throughout. Veron faded.

Keane is just stupid. He gave Neville a lot of grief, in fact he pushed him, because Neville was on a yellow card when he made a late challenge and could have been sent off. 15 minutes later he gets himself sent off for deliberately using an elbow on McAteer. He applies one rule for his teammates and another for himself. Also he lets McAteer win their personal dispute.

It's frustrating because he had a great game until then.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Without defending Keano and his actions, that's just how he's been throughout his Man United career.

Should the Scouse twat have been sent off though?

 

[phunky]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>

I have no doubt it was very stupid - but you make it sounds as if we would have won if Keano hadn't been sent of 30 secs before the final whistle.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nah i didn't. Juz disappointed in the whole team performance and keano's needless action. Should have got the cnut outside the gates

Keano's my fav too..but sometimes stupidity's juz a thin line yea~

 

[MauritianRed]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>
Should the Scouse twat have been sent off though?</strong><hr></blockquote>What, for being elbowed? Only if I were the ref!