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Greenwood is a PR nightmare if we do bring him back on and might just place unnecessary pressure on new owners , ETH and even players. I think well quietly run down his contract and say our goodbyes
To be honest if I was a potential buyer I’d like to make that decision on a potential £100m player as well rather than the current owners - each has their own view and I’d like to gage eth’s view as well.
Child please. So easy to throw around the word racist when you don't comprehend the meaning.
Culturally it is almost inevitable that if MG tried to resume his career in one of the big 5 leagues in Europe there would be protests and controversy which would likely make it not worth it to the club involved. I highly doubt that the media or fans in the Saudi leagues would care about his past and I can make that statement based on the fact that they don't give a flying feck about brutality towards women, minorities and members of the LGBTQ community that occur daily in their society. If facts hurt your feelings then maybe the outside world is not for you.
Not sure how much we can say about it and everyone will have their opinion on the matter as well, be better making the decision now and letting the fans deal with it either way. If he’s to come back into the team then ETH doesn’t really need to worry about a forward as a top priority, I know he’s been out for over a year and hasn’t trained with the team but could be an option.
Or if he’s loaned/sold more money for transfers in.
Greenwood is absolutely not the answer to our attacking woes. Yes, he might contribute, but an actual striker is essential.
I think the bolded part should have read, because he is a subhuman cnut who isn't fit to represent the club.
I’m struggling to decide which one I’ll find funnier as a meltdown. Qatar ownership or the fact the club will at the very least try to see if they can get Greenwood back in to the set up.
& yes, the end of that last sentence has some overtones.
You are the one who is naïve - MG will be back playing in one of the big 5 leagues in Europe soon, maybe even United.
Fair enough.
He could be but based on the reaction to players like Ched Evans and David Goodwillie it is tough to see that happening. MG is far higher profile and the audio and the pictures that are out there are going to be impossible for any employer to ignore. MG is a talent but he is not Messi and so I suspect for most clubs he just won't be worth it.
The fact that you convinientely ignored the repeated cases of NBA and NFL players regularly accused of assault, rape and battery and a host of other charges only to pay a fine, serve a suspension and come back and are celebrated shows that maybe you need to open a dictionary read the meaning of the word racist and admit that you are one. FYI Chris brown is performing in sold out arenas this summer in the UK and does so regularly in the US as well. But I guess thats ok because he belongs to 'your culture' ?
If only John Murtough had (released) next to his name we might actually rebuild this glorious club of ours.
So just DDG left from the SAF era now Phil Jones has gone?
Both Evans and Goodwillie were convicted and are not half as talented as MG. Look at Benzema; he was accused of solicitation of a minor prostitute, but continued to play for Madrid.
I agree that the audio and pictures make MG's case unique, but all charges have been dropped, and he is now expecting a baby. From a PR perspective, a simple interview with him and his missus can go a long way in rehabilitating his image, whether it is at United or elsewhere.
Cmon, don’t be daft.Him and his beautiful missus, with a baby, both coming out and explaining the situation, with ‘new evidence’ that you know nothing of yet but which caused the entire charges to be dropped (by the police, not by his partner).
Trust me, with the above, coupled with the fact that he’s a true generational talent above Foden level, he’ll be welcomed by many top European sides.
Also, isn’t convicting people via the court of social media and tabloid as ‘primitive’ as you can get…?
Fairly sure MG also belongs to my culture but I am having a hard time trying to discern the point you are making from the incoherent pile of words you just vomited. I don't think I need to admit to being a racist for pointing out that somebody accused of sexual assault wouldn't be the focus of any controversy if signed to play in the Saudi leagues. I will admit to being aware of the differences between cultures and as someone who has lived in multiple countries, including in the middle east, I am speaking from experience. Stating facts about the pervading attitudes within a nation or culure is not racism but arguing about what is or is not racist with you is likely to be a pointless endeavor.
By the way, I fail to see what American sports stars playing American sports in American leagues has to do with a British footballer being able to continue his career in Europe, but regardless of the fact that you are comparing apples to oranges, Ray Rice for one proves you have no clue what you are talking about.
Ched Evans who was charged, went to court and found guilty, and (the awfully named) Goodwillie who was found guilty in a civil court…?
How is that comparable? MG will be returning with his partner and their baby and all charges dropped, completely.
It’s fine if you want to believe whatever about him - but don’t compare him to people who’ve been found guilty.
Him and his beautiful missus, with a baby, both coming out and explaining the situation, with ‘new evidence’ that you know nothing of yet but which caused the entire charges to be dropped (by the police, not by his partner).
Trust me, with the above, coupled with the fact that he’s a true generational talent above Foden level, he’ll be welcomed by many top European sides.
Also, isn’t convicting people via the court of social media and tabloid as ‘primitive’ as you can get…?
What about Redcafe?
Well, Ched Evans has actually been exonorated now but I digress.
MG might get away with it but no amount of PR can erase the pictures and audio that we have seen. I don't need a court to tell me that he should be nowhere near playing for United again and I will be first in line to protest if the evil little cnut is reinstated. Maybe United will be willing to ride it out, the greater the talent the more the willingness to ignore these things but I still think a sale or loan is most likely and other than some fairly specualtive links to Serie A there has not been much sign of overseas interst.
Fair enough, but this isn't the statement you've been making previously, which was that "no club in Europe's top 5 leagues etc would find him worth it". You might not think its worth it, but the football world most likely will.
You are probably right, humanity never ceases to amaze in its infinite ways to dissapoint me.
My point is actually straightforward. But looks like you choose to remain ignorant along with being racist. Living in multiple countries does not negate the fact that you made a sweeping generalized statement about a country. Thats like the textbook definition of being a racist. Im stating facts too, about your racism and xenophobia. But I suppose just because you belong to, what Im sure you believe is the 'right' or 'civilized' part of the world, your beliefs and thoughts are validated and trying to get you to admit to it would most likely be a pointless endeavor.
Presumably then you protested even more loudly when Ronaldo resigned for us…? Since those allegations are certainly as serious as MG’s, and the complainant, rather than settling down and building a life with him has campaigned tirelessly against him for years.
And yet, browsing your posts on him, I can’t see anything at all even mentioning your dislike for him in the slightest, let alone the kind of vitriol you express above…
What gives?
The actual textbook defintion;
a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
Nowhere did I say anything of the sort, simply stated a league like the Saudi league would be less concerned with his past and for what its worth you could say the same about MLS. I don't believe any part of the world is more right or civilized than another but I do believe certain societies and cultures have different values than others. I live in America and I can confidently say that the majority of people here are quite happy to see hundreds of dead school children just so they can keep their right to bear arms.
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I am less familiar with the details concerning Ronaldo and I am not aware of picture or audio that show he beat the shit out of a woman. There was a sexual encounter and she took a pay off which makes it a significantly more murky situation but yes you are right, I should have protested about him too. I do recall being upset at the time but that had more to do with Dan James being sold to make way for him.
Just for those who actually want him to stay. The same thing happened to Fellaini and Mata a few years back and they signed a contract.
Calm down mate.
Him and his beautiful missus, with a baby, both coming out and explaining the situation, with ‘new evidence’ that you know nothing of yet but which caused the entire charges to be dropped (by the police, not by his partner).
Trust me, with the above, coupled with the fact that he’s a true generational talent above Foden level, he’ll be welcomed by many top European sides.
Also, isn’t convicting people via the court of social media and tabloid as ‘primitive’ as you can get…?
He’s more naturally talented than Foden, and was above Foden’s level when his playing was halted.
And I rate Foden.
Means nothing. Taking him off this list would've been a decision. Leaving him on it isn't.
Never mind MG…..what I’d like to see is Harry Maguire and Tom Huddlestone linkup play.
The turning circles of those two together is some kind of geometry that’d be unheard of in modern football
The turning circles of those two together is some kind of geometry that’d be unheard of in modern football
If stories about Maguire refusing to leave are true, we very well might see that happen in the U23s next season.
Get away with what exactly? Pictures of cuts and bruises on social media are proof of absolutely nothing, and I’m curious what you know that the CPS does not, considering they’ve had access to all the evidence, including the undisclosed new exculpatory evidence, and have decided the case is not strong enough to prosecute.
So come on, put your money where your mouth is and spell it out.
So you just want to ignore the audio and it is a lot more than just cuts and bruises. The case was dropped because his girlfriend was an uncooperative witness not because of a lack of evidence. If you are fine enabling and supporting an abuser then good for you.
Really?
You had an issue with Dan James being sold? He was nowhere near good enough for this club. If we managed to quickly sell off players like Dan James, we'd be in much greater shape now.
It’s a Welsh thing.
If MG's girlfriend was ok with this I for one am not one to hold him to a higher standard. Let's give the kid a chance like his girl did.
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