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United enter Chiellini race
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Just like Vidic. Imagine them partnering each other.
Would they compliment each other well? We'd only be buying if Vidic leaves, which I hope doesn't happen.
Yes. Because Giorgio is pretty similar to Maldini.
For 12m, it'd be a great buy, but it ain't gonna happen...
How did the club miss out on this guy, something like 12-18 months ago when his name was being rumored to United almost daily?
The manager who was forcing him out at Juve was sacked. If that hadn't happened he would have definitely moved to an English club. For he really wants to play in England.
12 million is a steal, which is why I'm guessing this is a bullshit story.
With Rio's back problems a continuing mystery I think there will come a point fairly soon where the club will have to start planning for a future without him.
With Rio's back problems a continuing mystery I think there will come a point fairly soon where the club will have to start planning for a future without him.
I can't stand this tosser but he's a great defender, probably the best one of the league even if I wouldn't swap him with Samuel.
Wes is injury prone. So is Neville. The twins have been so far. Rio's back problems seem to be leading him down that path, although hopefully they'll get a hold of the problem and fix it. Then there's Hargreaves if we count him.
It's really only Evra, Vidic, Evans and O'Shea who I'd feel comfortable putting money on being fit at a particular time. The fact that three of them went down at the same time as all of the other six is just bad luck, but we do seem to have a few too many sick-notes in the defence.
What to do about it is a different question though. Obviously Rio and the twins are untouchable as they are either too good or have too much potential. But is it time to perhaps write off Wes, Gary and Hargreaves and bring in one or two other options? I honestly don't know, but it is something that does need to be thought about.
I agree
Hargreaves isn't a defender. So I wouldn't count him in.
Wes and Gary should have been written off long ago. Gary is past it and Wes is ever injury prone. As for Hargreaves he isn't a defender. He is just an option there like Carrick is so is really of no consequence to our defence.
Hence the really injury prone fellows in defence are Wes, a soon to retire Neville and Fabio. Rafael like Rio has just been unlucky of late. So does any one really think it wise to bring in a Chielini to cover for those 3? I personally don't.
At this point in time we need a defender far less than we need a left sided attacking player.
In the summer we can then address getting in a replacement for Wes and Neville. Be it by promotion from our reserves or signing someone. Like we will certainly do for our Goal. But right now IMO we don't need to do that.
Our defense is still shaky. Wes is injury prone, and I dont know when he will get on the treatment table again. Evans still has a month to go before he can be fit. Nobody knows about Rio. We badly need a defender to partner Vidic. And if we dont get one in January, we can kiss the premiership goodbye. Losing 5 matches during the first half of the season was a mean joke on us. We cant afford to lose anymore. And we cant depend on injured players coming out and giving their best immediately.
For me if we sign anyone in January, it should be a kid like Kjaer. Not a super star in the making like Chiellini
Back injury is a tough nut to beat. I doubt that Ferdinand will ever be fit as he used to be. That's makes it 3 injury prone defenders. The Da Silva twins are quickly becoming pretty unfortunate with injury themselves. If there was a half decent defender in reserves then we would have relied on him rather then on Stoke's reject and a midfielder.
We can't go on with having an defensive injury crisis every year.
I like Kjaer, he's a rising star and by the end of the summer there is a good chance he will have at least 4-5 top clubs after him. The problem with getting him in Jan window is that he will expect to play in the first team (as he has been doing with Palermo). I'm not sure we can assure him he will get first team chances at the moment, even with Rio out. SAF will probably only play him in minor games so he has a chance to acclimatize to the Premier league and that will probably not be what he wants.
He's also a liverpool supporter, so who knows he might actually feel there is a better chance of him getting into the first team with them (though they are skint so if it comes to a bidding war i don't see how they will beat out the other teams after him).
Chellini is a far more interesting prospect. He's used to playing in a better team with more of spotlight on him and has the vital experience that would allow him to transition into our first team. The price quoted for him seems half of what I would consider is realistic so that might be the only stumbling block. For 12 million he's a steal and I'd want united to snap him up. For 25 million he's probably not worth the punt in December when we have more pressing needs to address.
Either way. If we can get Chellini or Kjaer in the next year or so I'd be pretty chuffed. Both will have excellent careers with us, of that i'm pretty confident.
What about Scandinavian or Eastern European products in their off-season this winter that might be available?
CSKA Milos Krasić comes to mind. But would CSKA want to sell given they are in the CL as well?
Personally I'd take Krasic over all the other potentials that have been mentioned (Di Maria, Ben Arfa). He's at the age where he needs to prove himself in a superior league and he's got the CL and league experience so he could fit into the first team. He also had a cracking game against us so there's less of an unknown quantity feel about him. I think he has the toughness to make it in the English game and has a versatility to his game which could see him playing on the wing or in the middle of the park. 6'1, good pace, strong dribbler who can beat his man, got a good cross on him as well and is decent in the air. Also used to playing in tough conditions in a league that I would argue is just as competitive as Portugal or France.
Fergie, Fergie Sign him up!
Personally I'd take Krasic over all the other potentials that have been mentioned (Di Maria, Ben Arfa). He's at the age where he needs to prove himself in a superior league and he's got the CL and league experience so he could fit into the first team. He also had a cracking game against us so there's less of an unknown quantity feel about him. I think he has the toughness to make it in the English game and has a versatility to his game which could see him playing on the wing or in the middle of the park. 6'1, good pace, strong dribbler who can beat his man, got a good cross on him as well and is decent in the air. Also used to playing in tough conditions in a league that I would argue is just as competitive as Portugal or France.
Fergie, Fergie Sign him up!
Exactly my thoughts. I want to see him in a top league now because I believe he is one of the best wingers in the world, he has improved so much the last 2 years - I can't wait to see him at a top club.
Krasic plays on the right if memory serves. United splunked 16m on a right winger already. Where would Krasic fit?
From what I recall Krasic seemed two footed. He might play on the right for CSKA but if he does have a decent left foot there is no reason he can't play on the left wing for us. Plenty of right footed players can do a good job on the other side if they have other attributes to their game beside the ability to cross.
I have only watched CSKA in CL matches and highlight reels but having seen Krasic against us I would pick him over the other two, and I do believe we could get him without giving up an arm and a leg in the process.
Plenty of right footed players can play left wing and currently do so as well as vise versa.....Krasic has played from the left hand side a number of times for CSKA this season to...most recently against Besiktas in the champions league.
Jonny Evans + Vidic is my first choice United CB partnership
We had no fit defender in the reserves save for Gill. Plus injuries in the academy too. If that isn't an obvious sign of bad luck at the back I don't know what is.
Till Wes and Gaz retire. We will always have a high number of injured defenders.
Talking about rumours, reports in Italy are suggesting that Inter Milan are preparing a bid for Stevie G.
I'm of the opinion he'd be over the moon to be on our books. For he said even being a POOL supporter would never stop him signing fora club like us.
Agreed. Chiellini though is too good to be only 12 million tbh. Not to mention he is starting quality. Giving us a serious headache when Rio returns if we moved for him in Jan.
For me I'd prefer us to go for Chiellini in the summer.
If I were Gerrard I'd seriously consider that.
Mourinho is practically our new manager already.
Battle for Chiellini
James Robson
January 22, 2010
SIR Alex Ferguson and Roberto Mancini are set to clash again - this time in a £25m battle for Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini.
The highly-rated centre back has emerged as a target for both United and City as the clubs look to resolve their defensive problems in the summer.
Ferguson is set to rebuild his rearguard over continuing concerns about Rio Ferdinand's long-term fitness while he is ready to cash in on £20m-rated Nemanja Vidic, who is a target for Barcelona and Real Madrid.
He sees Chiellini as an ideal partner for Jonny Evans in a new-look central defensive partnership that could serve United for years.
Despite previous manager Mark Hughes splashing out nearly £40m on Kolo Toure and Joleon Lescott last summer, City's defence has still looked frail at times this season. And although Mancini has hinted that he is trying to bring in two midfield players on loan with AC Milan's Mathieu Flamini and Real Madrid's Fernando Gago high on his list, he knows 25-year-old Chiellini well from his time as Inter Milan manager.
And the Blues boss wants to build a defence capable of making a concerted title challenge next season.
Chiellini's agent, Davide Lippi, was a guest of both United and City for Tuesday's Carling Cup semi-final first leg with both clubs ready to bid at the end of the season.
The Italian international is one of Juve's most saleable assets and is also being monitored by Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp.
Ferguson is ready to overhaul his defence after two seasons of injury problems to his back line.
As well as a long-term replacement to Edwin van der Sar, he is looking to replace Vidic, who looks certain to leave in the summer.
Ferdinand's persistent back problems are becoming an increasing concern at Old Trafford, with the England star having missed the majority of the campaign so far.
Battle for Chiellini - Manchester United - Football - Sport - Manchester Evening News
I do not know if we are really interested or not but Chellini's agent Davide is the son of Marcello Lippi, the Italian National team coach, who is a good friend of Fergie.
James Robson
January 22, 2010
SIR Alex Ferguson and Roberto Mancini are set to clash again - this time in a £25m battle for Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini.
The highly-rated centre back has emerged as a target for both United and City as the clubs look to resolve their defensive problems in the summer.
Ferguson is set to rebuild his rearguard over continuing concerns about Rio Ferdinand's long-term fitness while he is ready to cash in on £20m-rated Nemanja Vidic, who is a target for Barcelona and Real Madrid.
He sees Chiellini as an ideal partner for Jonny Evans in a new-look central defensive partnership that could serve United for years.
Despite previous manager Mark Hughes splashing out nearly £40m on Kolo Toure and Joleon Lescott last summer, City's defence has still looked frail at times this season. And although Mancini has hinted that he is trying to bring in two midfield players on loan with AC Milan's Mathieu Flamini and Real Madrid's Fernando Gago high on his list, he knows 25-year-old Chiellini well from his time as Inter Milan manager.
And the Blues boss wants to build a defence capable of making a concerted title challenge next season.
Chiellini's agent, Davide Lippi, was a guest of both United and City for Tuesday's Carling Cup semi-final first leg with both clubs ready to bid at the end of the season.
The Italian international is one of Juve's most saleable assets and is also being monitored by Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp.
Ferguson is ready to overhaul his defence after two seasons of injury problems to his back line.
As well as a long-term replacement to Edwin van der Sar, he is looking to replace Vidic, who looks certain to leave in the summer.
Ferdinand's persistent back problems are becoming an increasing concern at Old Trafford, with the England star having missed the majority of the campaign so far.
Battle for Chiellini - Manchester United - Football - Sport - Manchester Evening News
I do not know if we are really interested or not but Chellini's agent Davide is the son of Marcello Lippi, the Italian National team coach, who is a good friend of Fergie.
Any new defenders would have to play second fiddle to Evans and Brown. And thrid fiddle to Vidic and Rio. Tabloid tales surely.
Battle for Chiellini
James Robson
January 22, 2010
SIR Alex Ferguson and Roberto Mancini are set to clash again - this time in a £25m battle for Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini.
The highly-rated centre back has emerged as a target for both United and City as the clubs look to resolve their defensive problems in the summer.
Ferguson is set to rebuild his rearguard over continuing concerns about Rio Ferdinand's long-term fitness while he is ready to cash in on £20m-rated Nemanja Vidic, who is a target for Barcelona and Real Madrid.
He sees Chiellini as an ideal partner for Jonny Evans in a new-look central defensive partnership that could serve United for years.
Despite previous manager Mark Hughes splashing out nearly £40m on Kolo Toure and Joleon Lescott last summer, City's defence has still looked frail at times this season. And although Mancini has hinted that he is trying to bring in two midfield players on loan with AC Milan's Mathieu Flamini and Real Madrid's Fernando Gago high on his list, he knows 25-year-old Chiellini well from his time as Inter Milan manager.
And the Blues boss wants to build a defence capable of making a concerted title challenge next season.
Chiellini's agent, Davide Lippi, was a guest of both United and City for Tuesday's Carling Cup semi-final first leg with both clubs ready to bid at the end of the season.
The Italian international is one of Juve's most saleable assets and is also being monitored by Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp.
Ferguson is ready to overhaul his defence after two seasons of injury problems to his back line.
As well as a long-term replacement to Edwin van der Sar, he is looking to replace Vidic, who looks certain to leave in the summer.
Ferdinand's persistent back problems are becoming an increasing concern at Old Trafford, with the England star having missed the majority of the campaign so far.
Battle for Chiellini - Manchester United - Football - Sport - Manchester Evening News
I do not know if we are really interested or not but Chellini's agent Davide is the son of Marcello Lippi, the Italian National team coach, who is a good friend of Fergie.[/QUOTE]
Could you get any more tenuous reasons for a player to sign?
No truth as far as I'm concerned......besides we have Oliver Gill
Chielleni is one of the few if not the only defender in the world who can actually make a good claim to be selected before either of Rio or Vidic. No way Juve are selling him for any kind of money.
i did not say we need him, nor that we were going to sign him. Just that if we were really interested, the lippi-fergie connection would help.... that's all
I think it is very possible we are looking at top centre halfs.
Just look at Rio's fitness issues? Obvioulsy we will have to see how the remainder of this season goes but I do think it could be a big problem. I think his back problems could end up being an ongoing concern for him, and us. Next up we have Vidic and the constant rumours that he wants to move on. I don't think he will force a move, but I think it is possible he could end up leaving for the right deal.
Next two CBs are Brown and Evans. Brown has his own injury problems to deal with - missed basically all of last season (and good chunks of previous seasons to boot) So he can't be relied on from a fitness point of view too much, and his form this season has been erratic - should he be considered first choice if Rio or Vidic were to move on?
Evans is a long term United players. Any CB player brought in now would be getting brought in with the idea of him playing alongside Evans for the foreseeable future. There is also the pressure Evans himself puts on Rio and Vidic. If Fergie wants to keep Evans and keep him progressing - one of either Vidic or Rio will have to be moved aside to give Evans the first team spot anyway. It could be Rio due to injuries, it could be Vidic due to him getting sold. It could end up being both guys moving on with Evans and whoever emerging as our CB pairing sooner rather than later.
Just look at Rio's fitness issues? Obvioulsy we will have to see how the remainder of this season goes but I do think it could be a big problem. I think his back problems could end up being an ongoing concern for him, and us. Next up we have Vidic and the constant rumours that he wants to move on. I don't think he will force a move, but I think it is possible he could end up leaving for the right deal.
Next two CBs are Brown and Evans. Brown has his own injury problems to deal with - missed basically all of last season (and good chunks of previous seasons to boot) So he can't be relied on from a fitness point of view too much, and his form this season has been erratic - should he be considered first choice if Rio or Vidic were to move on?
Evans is a long term United players. Any CB player brought in now would be getting brought in with the idea of him playing alongside Evans for the foreseeable future. There is also the pressure Evans himself puts on Rio and Vidic. If Fergie wants to keep Evans and keep him progressing - one of either Vidic or Rio will have to be moved aside to give Evans the first team spot anyway. It could be Rio due to injuries, it could be Vidic due to him getting sold. It could end up being both guys moving on with Evans and whoever emerging as our CB pairing sooner rather than later.
He will then be playing backup to Rio and Brown this season and will have to wait for Vidic to move on. No point buying him in this transfer window.
But next transfer window? Might be worth a try if Vidic does move on.
True, i don't think we should make a move now unless he really is Fergie's top target and it looks like he will go elsewhere in this window. It would also need Fergie to be fairly sure that either (or both) Rio or Vidic will not be available for United next season.
Muppet ALERT!
Italian media (tuttosport) is claiming that we offered 20 million euros for Chellini and that his agent Davide Lippi (the son of Marcello Lippi - a friend of Fergie) said that if Juve do not improve their offer his client will move on and is very flattered about united's interest
Chiellini al Man Utd? 'Se la Juve non si muove...' (20:01 del 15 giugno) | Primapagina | Calciomercato.com
Tuttosport is also claiming that we will offer Chellini 3.5 million euros a year (that's around 70,000 euros a week or 60K sterling) and that we are close to selling vidic to man city for 25 m euros
Juve, il Manchester United punta Chiellini
Italian media (tuttosport) is claiming that we offered 20 million euros for Chellini and that his agent Davide Lippi (the son of Marcello Lippi - a friend of Fergie) said that if Juve do not improve their offer his client will move on and is very flattered about united's interest
Chiellini al Man Utd? 'Se la Juve non si muove...' (20:01 del 15 giugno) | Primapagina | Calciomercato.com
Tuttosport is also claiming that we will offer Chellini 3.5 million euros a year (that's around 70,000 euros a week or 60K sterling) and that we are close to selling vidic to man city for 25 m euros
Juve, il Manchester United punta Chiellini
Vidic to city? You jest surely.
He seems flattered.
Giorgio Chiellini's agent says the Italy defender is "honoured" to be linked with a summer move to Manchester United.
The Juventus stopper is reported to be one of Sir Alex Ferguson's top transfer targets as he plots United's attempt to regain the Premier League title.
Chiellini has been linked with a £25million move to Old Trafford as a possible replacement for Nemanja Vidic, should the Serbian depart.
The 25-year-old's agent Davide Lippi is quoted as saying in The Sun: "United is a club and England is a country of great importance to us. We like them a lot.
"With Giorgio, we've decided that during the World Cup we won't think about the transfer market. But after the World Cup, we will think about everything. He is honoured to be of interest to United."
Giorgio Chiellini's agent says the Italy defender is "honoured" to be linked with a summer move to Manchester United.
The Juventus stopper is reported to be one of Sir Alex Ferguson's top transfer targets as he plots United's attempt to regain the Premier League title.
Chiellini has been linked with a £25million move to Old Trafford as a possible replacement for Nemanja Vidic, should the Serbian depart.
The 25-year-old's agent Davide Lippi is quoted as saying in The Sun: "United is a club and England is a country of great importance to us. We like them a lot.
"With Giorgio, we've decided that during the World Cup we won't think about the transfer market. But after the World Cup, we will think about everything. He is honoured to be of interest to United."
Would be a wonderful signing; Chiellini and Evans would be the best cb partnership in the world in a few years. I still don't know if the Vid talk is all conjecture but I'm starting to think there's no smoke without fire.
Vidic will go, we all know it. Kidding ourselves is silly.
Madrid will make a cash (and possibly player) offer that would be silly to refuse. He has his flaws like any defender, but if and when he goes we need a top class defender to replace him immediately.
Madrid will make a cash (and possibly player) offer that would be silly to refuse. He has his flaws like any defender, but if and when he goes we need a top class defender to replace him immediately.
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