United’s next manager

[lsd]

Would be mental to get rid of Ole . We will never go anywhere if we keep chopping and changing .

Everything Ole has done so far has clearly been with a long term plan in mind

 

[Shalashaska]

You need to do a little homework my friend. He took over Mainz and Dortmund after Klopp and had a higher success rate than Klopp with both clubs in the Bundesliga. There's is no better tactician than him in modern day football. He started his coaching career at an early age after his playing career was cut short with a serious knee injury. The man oozes passion and experience, he has an attidude about him which is necessary, and something Ole doesn't have or never will have. There is no better fit for Utd than him!

How did he have a higher success rate? Dortmund won the league twice and got to a Champions League final under Klopp.

I can't claim to be a Tuchel expert, but I just cannot see any manager coming in and making significant change to our team and results without an enormous change in how the club is run from a board level.

You could put Pep, Klopp, Poch or Fergie at 50 in and if we carried on running the club in the same way the results and performances would be the same.

The three signings we made this year have been our best players so far this season, and if we continue to make smart additions and add depth to the squad we will see improvements. Sacking a manager every season and trying to grab the next big name will continue to produce the same nonsense we have seen for the last 6 years.

 

[AneRu]

For me it looks as if Ole's job is to revamp the squad. Get rid of deadwood and bring in fresh faces that are of a certain quality + personality fit and have a desire to succeed, which he seems to have done fairly well so far. This is a process that may take 2-3 years. For the 2-3 years that this takes place, United may become less results driven and allow leeway for the long term plan to be executed.

Once the 3 years is up, this is when Woodward an co. will decide whether Ole's results as a manager warrant him remaining as United's manager. In my opinion, he doesn't seem a great coach, so I can't see this happening. However this is where I can see a better coach coming in (such as a Pochettino or Ten Hag) and Ole moving up to a DOF role.

How I wish I was still innocent as your post suggests you are, in this social media driven era no manager can survive a sustained run of poor form and no board will back him for that long. If the team continues on this slide then Ole will be gone by Christmas at the latest.

 

[meamth]

Would be mental to get rid of Ole . We will never go anywhere if we keep chopping and changing .

Everything Ole has done so far has clearly been with a long term plan in mind

I'm also behind Ole. Truly believe we are set to have a nightmare of the season. The seeds have been sown for a better team next year. I believe that, and okay with that.

This thread is pure speculation, just a discussion if something terrible happened.

It's fine to discuss the next candidate, doesn't mean this is an Ole out thread.

EDIT:

Just read the OP, he said this is an Ole out thread.

Fine, but not everyone on here is on Ole out bandwagon.

 

[united13]

How I wish I was still innocent as your post suggests you are, in this social media driven era no manager can survive a sustained run of poor form and no board will back him for that long. If the team continues on this slide then Ole will be gone by Christmas at the latest.

I think you're naive to think United will sack yet another manager. It looks likely they will stick with Ole until at least the end of this season. Then re-assess their options. Ole seems to have a good idea with regards to what he wants to do with the squad. His signings so far have been good. He's also got rid of deadwood, which people have been crying out for. Which is why I think they could potentially move him to a DOF role, once the right coach comes along (hopefully Poch or Ten Hag).

 

[matt10000]

My problem with people who have so definitive views is that you are cannot consider that you are not 100% right. For example, does decent football mean you are more likely to win games? If you win games, does that mean you decent football? The answer to both of these is no.
Liverpool win games playing in a non decent football way. But they are all buying into a clear plan. Press high, attack quickly. And they have been extremely lucky enough to only need 15 players for more than two seasons now. City win game by playing decent football but they also have 22 players that would make any other squad in the league. And they all fit the system / plan. Barcelona and Real have had a plan / system over the years. This year not so much, but there is still a plan. Its why i cant see SPurs / Arsenal winning things, they dont really have a plan. A short term idea probably, but not a plan.
Ole has a plan to pick players who want to fit the system, who want to be at United, and on the field, be defensively solid then attack quickly and when against a low block, be patient and creative. You would think that a target #9, a AM and a DM that come into the starting 11 and this team will look so much better.

Exactly, there are too many on here that expect instant success or the sack for the manager. I hope these people dont get treated at their place of work as they want to treat Ole

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Would be mental to get rid of Ole . We will never go anywhere if we keep chopping and changing .

Everything Ole has done so far has clearly been with a long term plan in mind

It would be mental to keep him. He’s a poor championship calibre manager

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Exactly, there are too many on here that expect instant success or the sack for the manager. I hope these people dont get treated at their place of work as they want to treat Ole

It’s not expecting instant success- it’s to see signs of progress, to see an identity being developed. Answer to both of those is no & he needs to be sacked. Great player who I’ll always love but not a great manager

 

[united13]

My problem with people who have so definitive views is that you are cannot consider that you are not 100% right. For example, does decent football mean you are more likely to win games? If you win games, does that mean you decent football? The answer to both of these is no.
Liverpool win games playing in a non decent football way. But they are all buying into a clear plan. Press high, attack quickly. And they have been extremely lucky enough to only need 15 players for more than two seasons now. City win game by playing decent football but they also have 22 players that would make any other squad in the league. And they all fit the system / plan. Barcelona and Real have had a plan / system over the years. This year not so much, but there is still a plan. Its why i cant see SPurs / Arsenal winning things, they dont really have a plan. A short term idea probably, but not a plan.
Ole has a plan to pick players who want to fit the system, who want to be at United, and on the field, be defensively solid then attack quickly and when against a low block, be patient and creative. You would think that a target #9, a AM and a DM that come into the starting 11 and this team will look so much better.

Liverpool actually play a very enjoyable style of football to watch? They create a lot of chances, press high and score a lot of goals. So not really with you on that one, sorry?

United can't attack against a low block. It's abysmal to watch, there is no movement from the front 3 and everyone just seems to stand still. Then when Matic or Mata play the ball sideways everyone jumps on their backs. For me the problem is the fact that we don't have an attacking structure when we have the ball. This is as big of a problem as not having enough creative players. Players don't seem to know who to pass to next - we don't create overlaps etc. It's simply just aimless sideways passing in front of the opposition back 4, hoping that they'll concede a penalty or a free kick in a dangerous position.

However, as mentioned Ole is not the best coach in the world, however his main priority seems to be to oversee an overhaul of this squad.

 

[matt10000]

It’s not expecting instant success- it’s to see signs of progress, to see an identity being developed. Answer to both of those is no & he needs to be sacked. Great player who I’ll always love but not a great manager

It is not even the end of September yet you want instant signs as well. Life just isn’t always like that I am afraid.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

It is not even the end of September yet you want instant signs as well. Life just isn’t always like that I am afraid.

Signs since he took over 9 months ago, not just the awful start to this season. He’s had long enough to start showing us what manager Ole is all about

 

[Mainoldo]

It is not even the end of September yet you want instant signs as well. Life just isn’t always like that I am afraid.

Didn't he take over in November? Woman can create a whole baby in this time. I'm sure he can develop a Philosophy.

 

[red thru&thru]

Oh I quite agree. But the manager needs to push for change in the areas that are falling short if nobody else will.

Which all our previous managers have done. But the problem is, we have an inept board, who are too worried about profits and not the structure of the footballing side. People are making footballing decisions, who have no qualifications to do so.

 

[red thru&thru]

Would be mental to get rid of Ole . We will never go anywhere if we keep chopping and changing .

Everything Ole has done so far has clearly been with a long term plan in mind

You have to win now as well. Can't all be long term.

 

[Enigma_87]

Would be mental to get rid of Ole . We will never go anywhere if we keep chopping and changing .

Everything Ole has done so far has clearly been with a long term plan in mind

How is chopping and changing players different to chopping and changing managers?

The general consensus is that we need about 8 new players. We will make some bad buys on the road, that means we have to chop and change and rebuild certain positions again. Some players will leave - again you need to chop and change.

How is finishing outside top 4 good for our long term success? The league is very competitive, you will need top players to challenge for CL places. Sancho won't come, our recruitment as seen this summer is very poor in identifying players (Longstaff really?), Pogba will leave, players like Martial, AWB can have a second thought if they are doing well and not playing CL..

Every year we miss out on CL is bad on the long run.

 

[AneRu]

I think you're naive to think United will sack yet another manager. It looks likely they will stick with Ole until at least the end of this season. Then re-assess their options. Ole seems to have a good idea with regards to what he wants to do with the squad. His signings so far have been good. He's also got rid of deadwood, which people have been crying out for. Which is why I think they could potentially move him to a DOF role, once the right coach comes along (hopefully Poch or Ten Hag).

When things go wrong, I mean really wrong, the fans will revolt and seek to blame someone. That someone will be Woodward and he will serve up Ole to save his own skin. I agree with you on the last part, if a good manager becomes available I think Ole will be given the TD role.

 

[AshRK]

How is chopping and changing players different to chopping and changing managers?

The general consensus is that we need about 8 new players. We will make some bad buys on the road, that means we have to chop and change and rebuild certain positions again. Some players will leave - again you need to chop and change.

How is finishing outside top 4 good for our long term success? The league is very competitive, you will need top players to challenge for CL places. Sancho won't come, our recruitment as seen this summer is very poor in identifying players (Longstaff really?), Pogba will leave, players like Martial, AWB can have a second thought if they are doing well and not playing CL..

Every year we miss out on CL is bad on the long run.

I know we both have had this discussion multiple times but my main concern with sacking Ole is , who next? The only big free agent available right now is Allegri and do you think fans would like another defensive minded manager to take over this team. Also, I don't think this squad would suit him one bit. He would need proper midfielder and bar Pogba we have none. I think we have to be smart in appointing our next manager. I hate to say it but this season is a write off. We will win some but we will mostly look clueless. I hope Ole turns it around because he has good ideas but to implement those on pitch is something he has to learn.

 

[JJ12]

How is chopping and changing players different to chopping and changing managers?

The general consensus is that we need about 8 new players. We will make some bad buys on the road, that means we have to chop and change and rebuild certain positions again. Some players will leave - again you need to chop and change.

How is finishing outside top 4 good for our long term success? The league is very competitive, you will need top players to challenge for CL places. Sancho won't come, our recruitment as seen this summer is very poor in identifying players (Longstaff really?), Pogba will leave, players like Martial, AWB can have a second thought if they are doing well and not playing CL..

Every year we miss out on CL is bad on the long run.

Not chopping and changing managers goes hand in hand with not chopping and changing players. Once said manager gets the squad he wants which will take a few windows.

 

[Enigma_87]

I know we both have had this discussion multiple times but my main concern with sacking Ole is , who next? The only big free agent available right now is Allegri and do you think fans would like another defensive minded manager to take over this team. Also, I don't think this squad would suit him one bit. He would need proper midfielder and bar Pogba we have none. I think we have to be smart in appointing our next manager. I hate to say it but this season is a write off. We will win some but we will mostly look clueless. I hope Ole turns it around because he has good ideas but to implement those on pitch is something he has to learn.

To me out of the current young managers Nagelsmann is the real deal. I've followed him since he broke through and he has really some solid ideas that puts to practice and is a very shrewd tactician who also loves working with young and up and coming players(something that we can relate to being back to our roots).

The big problem is - I can't see him leaving mid season or even next season.

Given the recent shortcomings Poch is an option. Would he be better - probably yes, he can improve us and build on it in the long term. Not my favorite option, has many reservations about him, but I guess beggars can't be choosers..

Allegri will be a good fit at the moment for the players we currently have and can stabilize us to mount a top 4 challenge. Wouldn't be against that appointment as well.

Tuchel I think would be very shrewd appointment too, but can't see him leaving PSG so needs to be sacked.

Simeone is an option, but can't see him leaving Atletico and also fans won't be fond about him, which I can understand. Although he - much like Allegri will stabilize us and grind out results. The football of course won't be ok for everyone.

Ten Hag is also an option but I believe Edwin and Overmars had a big part in the recruitment process. So whilst him being a sound in terms of tactics he might struggle if we don't have a proper structure in place.

All in all everyone that I've listed above will improve us now and in the long term.

 

[Enigma_87]

Not chopping and changing managers goes hand in hand with not chopping and changing players. Once said manager gets the squad he wants which will take a few windows.

That might never happen. Ole wants Sancho - he doesn't want to come because we don't have CL. He wants to keep Pogba - he will leave because we don't have CL...

The manager won't have the squad he wants until he improves the squad he has and shows results with what he has. Ole is no exemption of this rule.

 

[AshRK]

To me out of the current young managers Nagelsmann is the real deal. I've followed him since he broke through and he has really some solid ideas that puts to practice and is a very shrewd tactician who also loves working with young and up and coming players(something that we can relate to being back to our roots).

The big problem is - I can't see him leaving mid season or even next season.

Given the recent shortcomings Poch is an option. Would he be better - probably yes, he can improve us and build on it in the long term. Not my favorite option, has many reservations about him, but I guess beggars can't be choosers..

Allegri will be a good fit at the moment for the players we currently have and can stabilize us to mount a top 4 challenge. Wouldn't be against that appointment as well.

Tuchel I think would be very shrewd appointment too, but can't see him leaving PSG so needs to be sacked.

Simeone is an option, but can't see him leaving Atletico and also fans won't be fond about him, which I can understand. Although he - much like Allegri will stabilize us and grind out results. The football of course won't be ok for everyone.

Ten Hag is also an option but I believe Edwin and Overmars had a big part in the recruitment process. So whilst him being a sound in terms of tactics he might struggle if we don't have a proper structure in place.

All in all everyone that I've listed above will improve us now and in the long term.

The problem with all the names you haev mentioned bar Allegri none of them will leave mid season so we have to stick with Ole by default.

Nagelsmann: I have not seen much of him but heard rave reviews but like you said why would he leave in between or even next season. I think he is pretty young and logically would prefer to stay in his homeland to gain more experience before going abroad.

Poch: He has his flaws and I think it would do him good if he can take a sabbatical before taking over his next job. I might be wrong but I just don't see him continuing his management in England. If madrid come calling he will join them. Even Bayern or PSG might be interested in him. There is no guarantee he will even choose us.

Allegri: I like what he has achieved so far but I completely disagree with your assessment that he would fit in fine here with teh squad we have. His football always demands a strong midfield and wingers and we don't have either of them. Also, he is a defensive minded manager. Do you seriously think our fans would be excited seeing another defensive minded manager. I doubt.

Tuchel: Would be a great choice. I like his style of play but why would he leave PSG to join this sinking ship.

Simeone: Look at Allegri.

Ten hagen: you answered the issue yourself. He will not able to work with this structure. ALso, he is not an instant success coach. His ideas may take a season or even more to be fully effective. Are we ready to be that much patient.

Whoever is appointed next the truth is we fans would need to be patient.

 

[red thru&thru]

To me out of the current young managers Nagelsmann is the real deal. I've followed him since he broke through and he has really some solid ideas that puts to practice and is a very shrewd tactician who also loves working with young and up and coming players(something that we can relate to being back to our roots).

The big problem is - I can't see him leaving mid season or even next season.

Agree with all the above. BUt another problem I see is, time and time again we keep failing. Can we attract an up and coming manager, who is performing well? Or will it be like Klopp, a top manager who is out of a job, like potentially Poch could be?!

 

[Enigma_87]

@AshRK to me our current squad would be better under defensive minded manager currently for 2 main reasons - we can't play possession style as we don't have the players for it and the past transfer window we had to prioritize the midfield, yet we went with defenders.

We have a good base that would suit a deep line and a more defensively astute manager can grind better results. Of course we will still have issues with missing a RW for example, but a better coach/manager will get better results playing more reserved style and counter attacking football with a deep line. It is what it is unfortunately, football won't be pleasant to the eye.

If we appoint someone like Ten Hag I can see it being positive on the long run, even if he turns out not to be the man. However, unlike Ole, he's a proper coach, he will probably improve our youngsters and especially on the technical side we will probably finally see some movement in attack and new attacking drills.

I'm pretty sure if the fans see improvement on the pitch right away they will give him more time.

 

[Noc-Z]

Not all of us have accepted mediocrity.

Ole has to go as soon as possible. We’re tolerating below average players & managers & it needs to stop.

I don't believe Ole is at all responsible for below average players. During his time we've signed Wan-Bissaka, Maguire and James which look excellent/promising signings.

He was probably told that dead wood had to be cleared before he could sign any more. I'm sure if he was offered Fernandes, Sancho and Werner he would have said yes please.

A combination of too much dead wood and not being able to get the right players. We've signed far too many of the wrong players in the past, that's partly why we're in the mess we are now. Not Ole's fault though. I think he's going with what we've got until we can get the right calibre of player in rather than padding out the squad with anyone that will come.

He's doing about as good as he can with what he has. When you look at the state of the squad 8th is probably par for the course! That's why I say patience, give Ole time to actually construct a team. He's only signed 3 players.

 

[Enigma_87]

Agree with all the above. BUt another problem I see is, time and time again we keep failing. Can we attract an up and coming manager, who is performing well? Or will it be like Klopp, a top manager who is out of a job, like potentially Poch could be?!

From 4-5 appointments this is something we haven't done so can't really say we have approached one and we have been rejected or something we haven't tried.

Neither of the appointments can be called an up and coming manager but we're still a big club with lots of financial backing.

If Nagelsmann or someone else that is highly rated by the general community gets the job we will have plenty of funds available and despite inheriting a broken squad he will have some time implementing his ideas. Difference is managers with ideology will put it straight into action. Whilst it will not get results straight away it's easier to visualize and fans can get behind and give some time.

Also Nagelsmann is someone who is known so far for his fantastic work with youngsters, which means he can get results without spending top dollar for world class players (board will love that). The negative of course is that we missed that boat once again this Summer sticking with Ole and it will be hard to get him straight away. Otherwise I'd say he would definitely be interested in our project.

 

[lsd]

How is chopping and changing players different to chopping and changing managers?

The general consensus is that we need about 8 new players. We will make some bad buys on the road, that means we have to chop and change and rebuild certain positions again. Some players will leave - again you need to chop and change.

How is finishing outside top 4 good for our long term success? The league is very competitive, you will need top players to challenge for CL places. Sancho won't come, our recruitment as seen this summer is very poor in identifying players (Longstaff really?), Pogba will leave, players like Martial, AWB can have a second thought if they are doing well and not playing CL..

Every year we miss out on CL is bad on the long run.

All we have been doing prior to Ole is buy players who are only interested in money or where we are in the league and it's got us nowhere .

I don't want the likes of Sancho if he only comes because we are in the top4 or we pay him more than anyone else .

I want what Ole wants players who want to play for Utd and who are prepared to put the work in to get us back to the top . Not ones who just want to start at the top.

Ole is clearly planning for long term which is a nice change from every other manager after Fergie.

I don't see how anyone expected us to be top four this season with the way we are going about things .

I didn't but I do expect under Ole we will be title challengers in the next 3 years .

With another manager instead I expect we will be doing exactly what we did before him ie dull boring football with overpaid wasters and finishing 6th every year

 

[momo83]

Would be mental to get rid of Ole . We will never go anywhere if we keep chopping and changing .

Everything Ole has done so far has clearly been with a long term plan in mind

Imagine there’s a great heavyweight boxer. He destroys everyone he faces... then some boxer comes and talks about how he knows how to beat this monster he gives a plan, highlights the monster weaknesses, says what he will do etc. Let’s say it takes 8 fights to become number 1 contender but all he does is lose and show no ability to apply his theory into reality. Will this boxer ever become number 1 contender.

 

[red thru&thru]

From 4-5 appointments this is something we haven't done so can't really say we have approached one and we have been rejected or something we haven't tried.

Neither of the appointments can be called an up and coming manager but we're still a big club with lots of financial backing.

If Nagelsmann or someone else that is highly rated by the general community gets the job we will have plenty of funds available and despite inheriting a broken squad he will have some time implementing his ideas. Difference is managers with ideology will put it straight into action. Whilst it will not get results straight away it's easier to visualize and fans can get behind and give some time.

Also Nagelsmann is someone who is known so far for his fantastic work with youngsters, which means he can get results without spending top dollar for world class players (board will love that). The negative of course is that we missed that boat once again this Summer sticking with Ole and it will be hard to get him straight away. Otherwise I'd say he would definitely be interested in our project.

Naglesmann was already signed up for RB, maybe even before Ole was confirmed. So we wouldn't have got him. But what you have to think about is, Naglesmann would be used to working with DoF's. So how good he would be in our current structure would be open to question. But definitely, he and even Marco Rose, should be the type of managers we go for next.

 

[Kemizee]

Would be mental to get rid of Ole . We will never go anywhere if we keep chopping and changing .

Everything Ole has done so far has clearly been with a long term plan in mind

Will tactical awareness and acumen come with long term stay or is it a case of 'you either have it or not'?

 

[JJ12]

That might never happen. Ole wants Sancho - he doesn't want to come because we don't have CL. He wants to keep Pogba - he will leave because we don't have CL...

The manager won't have the squad he wants until he improves the squad he has and shows results with what he has. Ole is no exemption of this rule.

No manager gets every player they want. That's not the point.

He will get players that suit his style that he sanctions.

He's inherited other managers players that he most probably isn't interested in but has to use - ie Fred, Matic, Lukaku and Sanchez. 2 down 2 will inevitably go.

Ole has started his overhaul. So sack him so another manager with different views can feck about more?

 

[Enigma_87]

No manager gets every player they want. That's not the point.

He will get players that suit his style that he sanctions.

He's inherited other managers players that he most probably isn't interested in but has to use - ie Fred, Matic, Lukaku and Sanchez. 2 down 2 will inevitably go.

Ole has started his overhaul. So sack him so another manager with different views can feck about more?

There's no style mate. Everything he talks about in terms of style is polar opposite on the pitch. You can't way 3-4 more years to get some players and then start practicing it.

So far your point towards keeping him is buying 3 players (one of whom we wanted last year as well) and based on those players form for handful of games. Not really a good point is it?

 

[ILC]

Allegri: I like what he has achieved so far but I completely disagree with your assessment that he would fit in fine here with teh squad we have. His football always demands a strong midfield and wingers and we don't have either of them. Also, he is a defensive minded manager. Do you seriously think our fans would be excited seeing another defensive minded manager. I doubt.

Everyone's football demands a strong midfield.

Allegri 's preferred formation is 4312 which doesn't have wingers. He only ever played with wingers because Juventus never bought him a CAM.

He is not a defensive minded manager. He is a tactician, results-oriented manager. He adapts to the team he has and Juventus have been very good at attacking as well as defending under him.

 

[JJ12]

There's no style mate. Everything he talks about in terms of style is polar opposite on the pitch. You can't way 3-4 more years to get some players and then start practicing it.

So far your point towards keeping him is buying 3 players (one of whom we wanted last year as well) and based on those players form for handful of games. Not really a good point is it?

No what we should do is keep changing managers after every sticky patch. Throw money at a new managers plan, rinse and repeat. Great point mate.

I'm not a lover of Ole. He's our manager and chopping and changing has led us to 6 years of utter shit.

Some of you deserve it.

 

[momo83]

There's no style mate. Everything he talks about in terms of style is polar opposite on the pitch. You can't way 3-4 more years to get some players and then start practicing it. That what coaching and management is, what people who want Ole given time are expecting is FIFA 20.

So far your point towards keeping him is buying 3 players (one of whom we wanted last year as well) and based on those players form for handful of games. Not really a good point is it?

Exactly. A manager should be able to first get his team to start playing in “his style of play” and then from that you see the limitations of what you have and buy the players to improve.

People say Klopp had time, Pep struggled in his first season etc. But the point is they quickly had their team playing in their way and then slowly, or in regards to Pep in one window, bought the players to perfect it.

 

[matt10000]

Didn't he take over in November? Woman can create a whole baby in this time. I'm sure he can develop a Philosophy.

Well that’s one strategy Ole could adopt but he can only knock one out every 9 months at best and you are going to have to wait 20 years or so until his offspring are ready for first team and most likely only solve the striker dilemma!

 

[Catt]

Clubs such as...

I'm sure it's been many through the years but the most recent one is obviously Liverpool.

 

[Gentleman Jim]

Signs since he took over 9 months ago, not just the awful start to this season. He’s had long enough to start showing us what manager Ole is all about

To be fair he has had United take some decent scalps. He's guided them to victories against Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, PSG, Leicester and get a creditable draw v Liverpool with an awful injury list but it's the inability to knock over the lesser lights consistently that will be his undoing.
The inability to get a decent shift out of such as Pogba, Sanchez and Lukaku also counts against him.

 

[red thru&thru]

I'm sure it's been many through the years but the most recent one is obviously Liverpool.

Not quite. They had to rearrange the structure under fsg first and then got Klopp in. Klopp didn't do it by himself.

 

[simplyared]

How did he have a higher success rate? Dortmund won the league twice and got to a Champions League final under Klopp.

I can't claim to be a Tuchel expert, but I just cannot see any manager coming in and making significant change to our team and results without an enormous change in how the club is run from a board level.

You could put Pep, Klopp, Poch or Fergie at 50 in and if we carried on running the club in the same way the results and performances would be the same.

The three signings we made this year have been our best players so far this season, and if we continue to make smart additions and add depth to the squad we will see improvements. Sacking a manager every season and trying to grab the next big name will continue to produce the same nonsense we have seen for the last 6 years.

Depends how you look at it of course. Klopp got Mainz into the top flight. Tuchel, in their 1st season got them to 9th and in his 2nd season 5th and Europa League qualification. Looking at average points per game his stats say 1.41 and Klopp's 1.13 which make Tuchel their most successful coach in Mainz history. Re Dortmund he got them to runners up in 2015-16 and the following year they won the DFB which is the equivalent of the FA Cup. Whether he was more successful than Klopp at Dortmund can of course be questioned. However in the 2 seasons he was there Tuchel achieved 2.09 pts average/game, which is a higher rate than Klopp's if I've understood it correctly. Whatever he's a top manager, no doubt !

 

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That might never happen. Ole wants Sancho - he doesn't want to come because we don't have CL. He wants to keep Pogba - he will leave because we don't have CL...

The manager won't have the squad he wants until he improves the squad he has and shows results with what he has. Ole is no exemption of this rule.

This. Sometimes a manager has to build the squad he wants, I am sure having Wes Brown playing RB wasn't Fergie's ideal scenario but he won the CL with that. I think managers need to be creative or adventurous with their squad building and some of the weird experiments can solve a pressing squad issue and negate the need for a new signing. I think, with our current issues in midfield, there is room for such left field options e.g Tuanzebe in midfield, trying young William's at LB in the 1st team.