UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority

How did you vote in the 2015 General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 67 20.0%
  • Labour

    Votes: 152 45.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 15 4.5%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 6.9%
  • SNP

    Votes: 9 2.7%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 11 3.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Did not vote

    Votes: 43 12.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 9 2.7%

  • Total voters
    335
  • Poll closed .
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Successive governments have tried to broaden the manufacturing base, but failed. Surely we can only really compete on high end stuff, since even China is facing stiff competition on labour costs from the likes of Vietnam.
It's not ideal, but no idea how you address it without giving companies massive tax incentives to build stuff, which may breach EU state aid rules.
 
I dunno. It's hardly a shock- US GDP growth is slowing and the eurozone is barely in growth. It's hard to increase growth when your biggest trading partners are either slowing or in contraction. The UK is still the fastest growing economy in the G7.

As for the coverage, can't see many actively sugaring the pill- view from both sides below.

UK economic growth halves ahead of general election

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/28/uk-economic-growth-slows-ahead-of-general-election

UK GDP growth falls to slowest pace in three years with just nine days until the election
From the Telegraph- can't get link, I've maxed out my 20 free articles.
Good luck even finding that article on The Telegraph website. Well and truly buried.

The Tory response to economic news is so predictable...
Good news = Our plan is working!
Bad news = It shows we need to stick to the plan.
 
I have one question for people who want this...

How?

With regards to the EU, does Norway have an Australian style points system? No. Does Switzerland? No.

Anyone who gets a job in that country can work there. There is free movement of workers within the EEA.

Oh and guess what, most Eastern European people who come to this country do so to work. Most of the rest are students.

So, I'm all for a Australian stlyle system on immigration. But how.

How on earth do you know this?
 
Good luck even finding that article on The Telegraph website. Well and truly buried.

If buried is having at as the second story in the news section and likewise in their Election 2015 topic, well then i suppose you are right. Soil up to the boot laces.
 
If buried is having at as the second story in the news section and likewise in their Election 2015 topic, well then i suppose you are right. Soil up to the boot laces.
Ah yes, despite being buried on the homepage, I see they have now at least featured it in the news section after retitling the story from 'UK GDP growth falls to slowest pace in three years with just nine days until the election' to 'George Osborne warns economy is at 'critical moment' after growth falters'. Very good.
 
The Institute or Fiscal Studies says Labour will increase welfare spending and will not raise revenue they hope from higher taxes, while Tories have failed to spell out £12bn of welfare cuts

28 Apr 2015

Labour's tax plans have been strongly criticised by Britain's most respected economic forecaster amid warnings that its flagship policies will raise "very little money" and inhibit aspiration.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said that plans by Ed Balls, the shadow chancellor, to bring back the 50p rate of tax could raise as little as £110million and may even end up costing Britain money.

It said that plans to introduce a 10p rate of tax are "unjustifiable" and will have little impact, while Labour's plans to cut tax relief for higher earners will create a "cliff edge" and leave people significantly worse off if they get a pay rise.

The forecaster said the Conservatives have set out just ten per cent of their proposed £12 bn of welfare cuts. Meeting the target would see spending on working age benefits fall to the lowest level since Margaret Thatcher's last year of office.

Overall, families can expect their incomes to fall, either through benefit cuts or tax increases, the think tank said, and parties have been "vague" about their plans.

"With significant deficit reduction still to come, households can expect the tax and benefit changes implemented over the next Parliament to reduce their incomes, on average," it said.

"There are large differences between the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats in how they propose to do this.

"But they share a lack of willingness to be clear about the details and an inability to resist the urge for piecemeal changes which would make the overall system less efficient and coherent."

In a withering assessment of Labour’s rhetoric of “tough choices” on welfare, the Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the benefits bill could rise by more than £400million under Labour, under current plans.

It said that the two main cuts outlined by Labour will raise “trivially small” amounts. Capping increases in child benefit at one per cent will raise “literally zero” because of low inflation, while restricting benefits such as fuel payments for the wealthiest pensions will generate a “fiscally irrelevant” and "trifling" £100m.

Overall, because Labour want to abolish the “bedroom tax”, the benefits bill will go up.

The IFS said Labour's pledge to restrict child benefit for two years was "bizarre and indeed misleading" because it included the year 2015-16 - a policy that has been implemented and "already is in the books".

It further warned that Labour's plans for a compulsory jobs guarantee for workless youths amounted to offering companies "free labour" and offered companies and "incentive" to fire staff.

Unless Labour match the Tory pledge to raise the 40p threshold, an extra 1.5 million middle class earners will be paying the levy by 2020, the forecaster suggested.

Labour’s plan to reinstate the 10p rate of tax will leave people only 50p a week better off and it is “hard to think of any economic justification” for the measure, when “virtually identical” effects could be had from raising the basic rate threshold, the IFS said.

And in order to generate the £1.2bn Labour wants from its mansion tax, the levy would require hitting the owners of homes worth more than £3million for £16,000 a year, the IFS.

The IFS, in a pre-election briefing, said the plans of all three parties to raise billions of pounds in tax avoidance measures contained “nowhere near enough” detail. “They have been plucked from thin air to make their numbers add up,” said economist James Brown.

Overall, there are “stark differences” between the two main parties’ plans, with Labour planning more than £12.4 billion in new taxes on companies, the “rich” and anti-avoidance measures, and the Tories largely planning to find new revenue from welfare cuts.

In other findings, the IFS said:

:: Another 300,000 people will pay the higher rate of tax – raising to more than 5 million – even if the Tories fulfil their pledge to raise the threshold to £50,000. The effect of the increase would leave higher rate taxpayers £539 a year better off.

If that does not happen and the rate increases along current trends inflation some 6.5 million could be paying the 40p rate by 2020. Labour have refused to match the Tory pledge, leaving the door open to an extra 1.5 million people paying the levy.

:: Labour’s plans to cut stamp duty for first time buyers “Is likely… to increase house prices, thereby shifting some of the benefit to current property owners.”

:: On the Tories plans to hike the inheritance tax threshold to £1m, the IFS says it is “hard to see a good economic or social rationale for such a policy.” It added: “This policy would help lock older people in bigger and more expensive homes when both they and those looking to buy might be better off if they were to downsize.”

:: Tory and Lib Dem plans to make basic tax allowance more generous to £12,5000 will leave basic rate payers £162 a year better off, but it will largely help upper and middle earners as the poorest 44 per cent already pay no tax.

:: Labour and Tory plans to cut pension allowances will harm the “coherence” of the system and discourage people earning over £150,000 from saving more. “They look like short term, ad hoc changes that we will come to regret as what was historically a relatively rational income tax treatment of pension saving crumbles,” the IFS said.

The IFS also criticised the Tories for setting out just 10 per cent of where their £12 billion of proposed welfare cuts will come from.

If those plans are followed through, it would leave the total social security bill cut to its 2003 levels, before Gordon Brown dramatically increased welfare spending.

It would leave spending on non-protected, working age benefits at their lowest level in real terms since 1990-91, when Margaret Thatcher was still in power.

The target can be hit with “sharp reductions in the generosity of or eligibility to” child benefit, disability benefits and tax credits. Abolishing child benefit would raise £5 billion, cutting child tax credits to their 2003 real-terms level would find another £5 billion, and making housing benefit recipients pay ten per cent of their receipts would raise £2.5 billion.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11568086/Labours-tax-plans-savaged-by-IFS.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11568086/Labours-tax-plans-savaged-by-IFS.html
 
From the Telegraph- can't get link, I've maxed out my 20 free articles.

Easily got round, just browse the main pages as normal but when you want to read a story, right click and Open Link in Incognito Window (or equivalent, for Firefox).
 
Good luck even finding that article on The Telegraph website. Well and truly buried.

The Tory response to economic news is so predictable...
Good news = Our plan is working!
Bad news = It shows we need to stick to the plan.
To be honest, barring on international news, I'm finding both left and right papers virtually unreadable at the moment.
 
Easily got round, just browse the main pages as normal but when you want to read a story, right click and Open Link in Incognito Window (or equivalent, for Firefox).
Ah cool cheers. I know the FT firewall is crap- you just type the headline in google and click on the link.
 
There are also those instances where the income isn't being declared in its entirety. A firm local to my parents has used the same Polish crew of builders on several occasions over the years, and it's always cash (10,000s). ;)




Highly debatable.

There would still be trade with E8urope you know, as well as possibilities for bespoke agreements outside of the EU framework. It is already the case that the forces behind decision making are beyond British control, this being represented either by the Eurozone bloc and the Franco-German axis.

"Most likely a stop to complete free movement and trade" < A future without any basis in fact to suit your argument. Moreover, people in the UK are quite happy that we maintain the present border checks, something upon which most political parties agree.

Yes there may be some tariffing, but it is probable that a new economic treaty would be signed as soon as practicable.

What unnecessary things?

Why, would there no skilled migrants permitted in this different Britain?

No tourism? Oh do stop.

Treaties come and treaties go, no biggie.

There will have to be trade with EU if we don't want to go bankrupt but that is more and more costs, negotiations, etc etc etc. Bigger EU-wide deal has more benefits than just a single country negotiating its own deal. It is not that case at all. Britain is at the table influencing policy and making policy in some cases. Obviously we can't have everything our own way otherwise it would not be a union but all this EU talk has only come about lately, with the rise of UKIP. An overwhelming majority of British people will back staying in the EU no doubt.

There will not be the same level of free movement and trade as there is now if we just up and leave the EU. That's guaranteed. There will have to be increased and thorough border checks on both sides of the border. Every EU citizen coming in will be asked why they are here and what are they doing and for how long increasing queue times for god knows how long. EU queues will move at the pace of non-EU queues, meaning 1 person per 5-10 minutes.

Unnecessary problems, like having to apply for work permits, not being able to benefit from public services etc

Because the country is apparently FULL. Skilled migrants are not needed because Britain's workforce is at home claiming benefits... Furthermore skilled migrants won't bother to go through the hassle of going through an application and screening process (which costs quite a bit of money) when they can just go to Germany or France just as easily.

I didn't say there will be no tourism, I said tourism will be affected if free movement is stopped.

Its quite a biggie if the EU traty went, and the reasons were on both my posts.
 
It was really, really low on substance. Richard Bacon was definitely the wrong choice to host the show. You'd learn more from spending five minutes on the fivethirtyeight side than you would from watching the show. It didn't help how awkward and un-televisual Silver is either. :lol:
I agree, they went heavy on the "predicted every state in 2012" angle as if he was the only one capable, whereas in reality everyone that looked at state polls regularly could've got at least to within one state of the result (Silver's actual final prediction had Florida as a tossup anyway). And they only skated over the fact that the main tool he used in the US (the state polls) don't really have an equivalent over here, which is a lot of missing data. I imagine there's a fairly big MoE on "his" final prediction in terms of seats, and there's a fair bit of divergence in all the predictions being made.
 
Heard a UKIP voter in the pub droning on the other day. A fella sat with her said "I dunno, I couldn't see Farage going to important meetings at the White House." The response? "And why should he? This is Great Britain" :lol:. Not to say other parties don't have their share of moronic voters, they're just less vocal and trot out tired cliches rather than genuinely barmy stuff.

Speculation that Russell Brand's gonna back Labour today. I'm more sensitive to Russell's plight than most on here... but is that really helpful for the election? I feel like it would only hurt Labour's chances in most Tory marginals.

I'm a fan of his too, can't see this. He's been pretty unequivocal that he thinks Labour and Tories are nearly identical, he'd lose a huge amount of the credibility.
 
Don't know how we'll cut enough to pay for any of our policies vs don't know how we'll pay for any of our policies.

What a great choice we face.

The Tories could find 40-50bn simply through scrapping HS2, a project which is too far off in the distance for the economy's present needs in any event. Whereas much of Labour's costing stems from the rather nebulous sum of money it hope to raise from higher taxes/cracking down on tax avoidance. Balls will likely increase the tax burden for middle earners although they won't hear about it until after the election.

I recently looked into the policies of the local Lib Dem candidate however even he fell into the objectionable category.


There will have to be trade with EU if we don't want to go bankrupt but that is more and more costs, negotiations, etc etc etc. Bigger EU-wide deal has more benefits than just a single country negotiating its own deal. It is not that case at all. Britain is at the table influencing policy and making policy in some cases. Obviously we can't have everything our own way otherwise it would not be a union but all this EU talk has only come about lately, with the rise of UKIP. An overwhelming majority of British people will back staying in the EU no doubt.

There will not be the same level of free movement and trade as there is now if we just up and leave the EU. That's guaranteed. There will have to be increased and thorough border checks on both sides of the border. Every EU citizen coming in will be asked why they are here and what are they doing and for how long increasing queue times for god knows how long. EU queues will move at the pace of non-EU queues, meaning 1 person per 5-10 minutes.

Unnecessary problems, like having to apply for work permits, not being able to benefit from public services etc

Because the country is apparently FULL. Skilled migrants are not needed because Britain's workforce is at home claiming benefits... Furthermore skilled migrants won't bother to go through the hassle of going through an application and screening process (which costs quite a bit of money) when they can just go to Germany or France just as easily.

I didn't say there will be no tourism, I said tourism will be affected if free movement is stopped.

Its quite a biggie if the EU traty went, and the reasons were on both my posts.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what will and will not be possible in such an eventuality. I do not believe that our European "friends" will choose to cut their noses off to spite their face.

Miliband can laugh it off in the debates but a European Army is very much am ambition in the corridors of power. We don't even agree with some of Europe's leading nations on foreign policy matters so again we'd have to seek an opt-out (assuming that the lily-livered fools are actually prepared to fight or haven't been bought off by Russia or whoever). And why should British taxpayers fund such things as an EU diplomatic service and drones, when the organisation has been incapable of having its accounts signed off for two decades. It is a grossly corrupt and inept body; the situation with these migrant deaths and the failed Libyan strategy are enough evidence for how it operates on a grander scale.

If you can find the time i'd advise looking up the original EU Constitution, the proposed infringements of civil liberties are a fair idea of where Brussels would gladly take us.

So we can leave and fight for a respectable future, or remain and wither upon the vine.
 
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The Tories could find 40-50bn simply through scrapping HS2, a project which is too far off in the distance for the economy's present needs in any event. Whereas much of Labour's costing stems from the rather nebulous sum of money it hope to raise from higher taxes/cracking down on tax avoidance. Balls will likely increase the tax burden for middle earners although they won't hear about it until after the election.

I recently looked into the policies of the local Lib Dem candidate however even he fell into the objectionable category.

The Tories could scrap HS2, but they won't. Instead they'll say that they can miraculously cut £12b from the welfare budget without harming vulnerable people and magic £5b from tax avoidance (if it's that easy to find £5b why hasn't it been done in the last 5 years)?

Labour are even worse. The 50% tax policy and mansion tax are white elephants that they've plucked insane amounts out of thin air that they'll raise.
 
Farage on BBC Five live calling SNP racist.

“The SNP are openly racist. The anti-English hostility and the kind of language that is used about and towards English people is totally extraordinary.”

Mr Farage pointed to his treatment on a campaigning visit to Edinburgh last year when he was locked into a pub by the police for his own protection before being rescued after being surrounded by SNP supporters.

He told ITV News: “If my supporters behaved in the way that some of those pro-independence supporters behaved in the referendum I'd have been painted out to be the worst person that had been seen for 70 years in British politics.‎

“I was surrounded by people in the street shouting racist anti-English comments.

“When I say that I don't think we should have an open door to Poland, Latvia and Lithuania I'm accused of being racist and yet when it's the Scots being rude about the English you don't think it is."

Full article :: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...st-towards-the-English-says-Nigel-Farage.html



The point about differing perceptions is probably a valid one, had UKIP activists behaved in a like manner towards Miliband the reaction would indeed have a different character to it. We don't know what was said to Farage on that day, although it would be daft to believe that there is no xenophobia amongst a minority of the SNP's support.
 
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The Tories could find 40-50bn simply through scrapping HS2, a project which is too far off in the distance for the economy's present needs in any event. Whereas much of Labour's costing stems from the rather nebulous sum of money it hope to raise from higher taxes/cracking down on tax avoidance. Balls will likely increase the tax burden for middle earners although they won't hear about it until after the election.

Are they proposing to ditch HS2?
 
So why use the imaginary scrapping of HS2 cover the Tories' shortfall in spending but not everyone else's?

I was merely outlining two miscalculations on the part of those likely to rule the country. There are also few projects of such scale presently being proposed, those tens of billions were a missed opportunity for the coalition.
 
The Tories could find 40-50bn simply through scrapping HS2, a project which is too far off in the distance for the economy's present needs in any event. Whereas much of Labour's costing stems from the rather nebulous sum of money it hope to raise from higher taxes/cracking down on tax avoidance. Balls will likely increase the tax burden for middle earners although they won't hear about it until after the election.

I recently looked into the policies of the local Lib Dem candidate however even he fell into the objectionable category.




You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what will and will not be possible in such an eventuality. I do not believe that our European "friends" will choose to cut their noses off to spite their face.

Miliband can laugh it off in the debates but a European Army is very much am ambition in the corridors of power. We don't even agree with some of Europe's leading nations on foreign policy matters so again we'd have to seek an opt-out (assuming that the lily-livered fools are actually prepared to fight or haven't been bought off by Russia or whoever). And why should British taxpayers fund such things as an EU diplomatic service and drones, when the organisation has been incapable of having its accounts signed off for two decades. It is a grossly corrupt and inept body; the situation with these migrant deaths and the failed Libyan strategy are enough evidence for how it operates on a grander scale.

If you can find the time i'd advise looking up the original EU Constitution, the proposed infringements of civil liberties are a fair idea of where Brussels would gladly take us.

So we can leave and fight for a respectable future, or remain and wither upon the vine.

And I still hear people saying they can't understand why the North votes Labour, it has to be tribal voting. During the recession the country could have cut cross rail and saved the best part on 15 billion pound directly when it actually needed the money but instead it found the funding for what must be the most costly metre for metre railway we have yet built. Then after promising some distant, post recession, expenditure on infrastructure (HS2) to help Osborne's northern power house your view is it should be cancelled. So the ten times more we spend per person on infrastructure in London isn't enough, we have to shave spending from the 1 pound in ten we have committed too elsewhere.Wonderful thinking that is, you can't imagine why Scotland is voting SNP by any chance can you?
 
You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what will and will not be possible in such an eventuality. I do not believe that our European "friends" will choose to cut their noses off to spite their face.

Miliband can laugh it off in the debates but a European Army is very much am ambition in the corridors of power. We don't even agree with some of Europe's leading nations on foreign policy matters so again we'd have to seek an opt-out (assuming that the lily-livered fools are actually prepared to fight or haven't been bought off by Russia or whoever). And why should British taxpayers fund such things as an EU diplomatic service and drones, when the organisation has been incapable of having its accounts signed off for two decades. It is a grossly corrupt and inept body; the situation with these migrant deaths and the failed Libyan strategy are enough evidence for how it operates on a grander scale.

If you can find the time i'd advise looking up the original EU Constitution, the proposed infringements of civil liberties are a fair idea of where Brussels would gladly take us.

So we can leave and fight for a respectable future, or remain and wither upon the vine.

Our European friends will do whatever they can to make sure that anyone who leaves the union will suffer because of it, otherwise there could be a run and dissolution which is in no one's interest.

Isolation is a step in the wrong direction and it never works. Look at all the ex-communist and current communist countries.
 
And I still hear people saying they can't understand why the North votes Labour, it has to be tribal voting. During the recession the country could have cut cross rail and saved the best part on 15 billion pound directly when it actually needed the money but instead it found the funding for what must be the most costly metre for metre railway we have yet built. Then after promising some distant, post recession, expenditure on infrastructure (HS2) to help Osborne's northern power house your view is it should be cancelled. So the ten times more we spend per person on infrastructure in London isn't enough, we have to shave spending from the 1 pound in ten we have committed too elsewhere.Wonderful thinking that is, you can't imagine why Scotland is voting SNP by any chance can you?

Is it not prudent to first determine where someone stands before you go flying in with the accusations.

I would still have invested a sizeable portion of the sum, and in the north too which might come as a shock to your preconceptions, only i feel that the country would have been better served by a half dozen projects of £5-6bn each. From the West Country to the North East, as well as something which passes for a bus service in rural communities (or fuel subsidies where approriate).
 
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How on earth do you know this?
Well, I dont have the statistics to hand, but those are the widely reported facts. #fachts

Let's break it all down from the BBC

Firstly, migration from the ROTW exceeds that from the EU. We could put whatever restrictions we wanted on these people, but these are largely skilled workers:

In the same period there was a 10% increase in work-related visas granted to people from outside the European economic area - the majority of whom were skilled workers.

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So why do people come here. Well according to a ONS Survey (which could be bollocks, but could be accurate)

Why do people come to the UK?
  • 214,000 for work
  • 177,000 to study
  • 71,000 for family reasons
  • 24,000 seeking asylum
  • 19,000 returning home
  • 21,000 no reason stated
Estimated figures based on ONS survey data

Again, that's what I said. The majority of EU migrants come here to work. The majority of the rest are students. *Note, thats not quite a majority, depending on how you look at it.

I'll try to look more into later
 
Picked won't be voting because its a con and none of them will really be in charge anyway. Its one day of democracy out of 5 years for us, except all the elites only let us pick who they put up for it, so they win anyway. Get ready for more promises that never happens (tuition fees, house building or EU vote) or the opposite is done. Murdoch et al will do the rest to get which one they want, the public are easily lead, tv in every house up for sale on Rightmove!!!

True democracy we'd get to vote on several big topics raised per year not just which rich, scripted actor gets to 'lead' the country for the rich familys and companies. Miliband, Cameron, Clegg, even Farage, all faces on the same arse and none of the sound like us or will represent us when it matters, no matter what they say. A complete waste of time but people get reeled in by the dream with all the tv and papers sillyness around it. Its all corrupt.
 
Well, I dont have the statistics to hand, but those are the widely reported facts. #fachts
Why do people come to the UK?
  • 214,000 for work
  • 177,000 to study
  • 71,000 for family reasons
  • 24,000 seeking asylum
  • 19,000 returning home
  • 21,000 no reason stated
Estimated figures based on ONS survey data

Some interesting information here, thanks.
Though I imagine the figure of 214,000 includes people that simply come here 'to live' and of course they'd put down 'to work' on their forms. What else would they put?
The cynic in me also wonders whether some of the 214,000 are here to 'work' are professional burglars, thieves, pick-pockets, traffickers, drug-dealers…

That's a total of about 500,000 per year, or about the combined total of the populations of Southampton, Portsmouth, and Winchester.

Better build a few more houses methinks.
 
Some interesting information here, thanks.
Though I imagine the figure of 214,000 includes people that simply come here 'to live' and of course they'd put down 'to work' on their forms. What else would they put?
The cynic in me also wonders whether some of the 214,000 are here to 'work' are professional burglars, thieves, pick-pockets, traffickers, drug-dealers…

That's a total of about 500,000 per year, or about the combined total of the populations of Southampton, Portsmouth, and Winchester.

Better build a few more houses methinks.

Just because they come from poorer nations? :rolleyes:
 
Some interesting information here, thanks.
Though I imagine the figure of 214,000 includes people that simply come here 'to live' and of course they'd put down 'to work' on their forms. What else would they put?
The cynic in me also wonders whether some of the 214,000 are here to 'work' are professional burglars, thieves, pick-pockets, traffickers, drug-dealers…

That's a total of about 500,000 per year, or about the combined total of the populations of Southampton, Portsmouth, and Winchester.

Better build a few more houses methinks.
That's not 500,000 a year. That'll be 500,000 they asked the question.

And what the feck is that crime thing? Criminality isn't some kind of national sport abroad, everywhere has their fair share.
 
Heard a UKIP voter in the pub droning on the other day. A fella sat with her said "I dunno, I couldn't see Farage going to important meetings at the White House." The response? "And why should he? This is Great Britain" :lol:. Not to say other parties don't have their share of moronic voters, they're just less vocal and trot out tired cliches rather than genuinely barmy stuff.



I'm a fan of his too, can't see this. He's been pretty unequivocal that he thinks Labour and Tories are nearly identical, he'd lose a huge amount of the credibility.
:lol:
 
Our European friends will do whatever they can to make sure that anyone who leaves the union will suffer because of it, otherwise there could be a run and dissolution which is in no one's interest.

Isolation is a step in the wrong direction and it never works. Look at all the ex-communist and current communist countries.

Who mentioned isolation? I certainly did not. If given time Europe still refuses to change, well there's a whole world out there.

Neither Britain nor Europe need settle for this self-serving European Union, therefore why further its ends?
 
Nicola Sturgeon: I would vote for Twitter troll candidate

The First Minister claims Neil Hay has learnt his lesson as the SNP-supporting 'cybernats' criticise how she was treated by Kaye Adams in a BBC radio interview.

By Simon Johnson, Scottish Political Editor
28 Apr 2015


Nicola Sturgeon has said she would still vote for a disgraced SNP candidate who compared Scots who support the Union to Nazi collaborators.

The First Minister said Neil Hay, her party’s candidate in Edinburgh South, has learnt his lesson after he tweeted vile messages under a pseudonym comparing No voters to 'Quislings' and saying OAPs were too senile to vote.

She said she was unable to be “any firmer” in disciplining him and she would call for Scots to vote SNP in all 59 constituencies north of the Border, including Edinburgh South.

But her insistence that she would not “shy away” from ensuring those in her party “behave in an appropriate way” was undermined after a BBC journalist later received a wave of online criticism and abuse after interviewing her.

Hundreds of Nationalists took to Twitter to castigate Kaye Adams, who hosted a Radio Scotland phone-in with Ms Sturgeon, accusing her of being rude, ignorant and of displaying an anti-SNP bias.

While many expressed their views in moderate terms, others used vile language and called for Ms Adams, who is best known for her appearances on ITV’s Loose Women show, to be sacked.

Backing the SNP’s demand for broadcasting to be devolved to Holyrood, one said: “If the Scottish Government got control of the BBC in Scotland the likes of Kaye Adams will be history and that is why she is hostile.”

Labour last week accused Ms Sturgeon of giving “cybernat” trolls the green light after she refused to sack Mr Hay, who posted abusive messages under the name Paco McSheepie, and was the favourite to win Edinburgh South from Labour.

During the independence referendum campaign, he also posted tweets mocking elderly Scots – who overwhelmingly voted No – for "barely knowing their own name" but said they were "dying off".

Asked on BBC Radio Scotland’s Good Morning Scotland programme if she would still vote for him, Ms Sturgeon said: “I’d vote SNP in whatever constituency I lived in.

“His comments were wrong – he recognises that, he has apologised, he has learnt his lesson and I will continue, as somebody who very often gets unsavoury abuse on Twitter and Facebook, to say that everybody in politics and everybody who participates in the particular debate should lead by example.”

She added: “I can’t be any firmer than that. I’m the leader of the SNP. I think you would expect me to say I would vote SNP in whatever constituency I lived in.”

But Kezia Dugdale, Scottish Labour’s deputy leader, said voters would struggle to understand why she refuses to sack Mr Hay as he “isn’t fit” to be an MP.

She said: "Giving a candidate who describes No voters as traitors and makes an appalling slur on pensioners a little slap on the wrists doesn’t cut it. The message from the SNP is pretty clear – online abuse by their candidates is fine as long as they don’t get caught.”

Shortly after being challenged over Mr Hay’s behaviour, Ms Sturgeon became the latest Scottish political party leader to appear on Ms Adam’s phone-in programme, during which the pair had a series of testy exchanges.

The First Minister complained of being interrupted and corrected Ms Adams when she confused the public spending deficit with the national debt.

One Nationalist tweeted:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...I-would-vote-for-Twitter-troll-candidate.html
 
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Vote for Eddie.


http://www.theguardian.com/educatio...aths-until-18-protection-against-unemployment

Labour plans for maths until 18 'best protection' against unemployment

Academics and policymakers endorse plans after report finds a quarter of adults in England have maths skills of a 10-year-old



Supporters of Labour’s plans say pupils studying mathematics until 18 will be better prepared for all types of employment. Photograph: RubberBall/Alamy
Richard Adams Education editor

Tuesday 28 April 2015 22.30 BST Last modified on Tuesday 28 April 2015 22.33 BST

Labour’s plans to ensure all pupils in England continue to study maths past the age of 16 have been endorsed by leading mathematicians and policymakers, who argued that improved numeracy skills were the “best protection” against unemployment for young people.

Without the language of maths you are disenfranchised from making critical decisions Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, said all pupils at school would have to continue to study maths as part of Labour’s proposals, including an estimated 250,000 each year who pass GCSE maths with a C grade or higher but did not go on study maths at A-level.

Currently, only those who failed maths at GCSE or equivalent levels have to continue studying the subject after the age of 16 in order to resit the examinations, which Hunt criticised as “a staggering degree of complacency”.

Recent research by the OECD found that a quarter of adults in England have the maths skills of a 10-year-old, meaning they are only able to manage one-step mathematical tasks such as sorting numbers or reading graphs.

“Our future success as a nation depends on all young people taking maths to 18, so we set the next generation up to succeed in life and work and deliver the skills employers are demanding,” Hunt said, appearing at an event at Bletchley Park alongside Marcus du Sautoy, the professor of mathematics at Oxford University known for his BBC television series popularising maths, including The Code.

“It is essential that everyone is mathematically literate in this scientific age. That’s why ensuring all young people study maths to 18 is so important,” said du Sautoy, who also holds Oxford’s Simonyi chair in the public understanding of science.

“Without the language of maths you are disenfranchised from making critical decisions about risk, the direction of the economy, the future of climate and energy resources and so much more. It doesn’t matter what you end up studying, a sustained mathematical education helps build a logical and analytical approach to solving whatever problem you are wrestling with.”

The move was given public support by Mike Ellicock, chief executive of National Numeracy, the charity formed to tackle poor maths skills in the UK.

“We really need to challenge negative attitudes that assume that maths is a ‘can do’ or ‘can’t do’ subject. It is not. Everyone can – with effort and persistence – learn the maths they need for everyday life and work. And it is vital that we all become numerate; international research from the OECD has shown that good numeracy is the best protection against unemployment, low wages and poor health,” Ellicock said.

Only about 20% of young people in England continue to study maths after taking GCSEs, compared with 90% of pupils in Germany and Hong Kong who continue after the age of 16.

Similar moves are supported by the CBI and Royal Society, while compulsory post-16 maths was also recommended by a Carol Vorderman-led maths task force commissioned by David Cameron in 2011.

Critics including the National Union of Teachers say that schools are already struggling to find qualified maths teachers, and Labour’s policy would need to overcome the shortage to be effective.
 
Top economist attacks Tory austerity – and Labour's limp response

Nobel prize-winner Paul Krugman says both parties are ‘in effect promising a new round of austerity that might well hold back a recovery’ after election

http://www.theguardian.com/business...-austerity-labours-limp-response-paul-krugman

Interesting piece, largely about how austerity strangled the recovery and how it looks to be repeated. However there are some interesting comments about Labour's lack of challenge to austerity.

One of the interesting things about the last few years has been watching how public perception is shaped by the media. (It was presumably always this way and I just never noticed before). While Labour were busy sorting out a new leader the right wing press were really pushing the line that Labour caused the financial collapse through too much spending, which took root. Now its too late for Labour to reverse that particular narrative, so they have to be seen to be tough on any potential spending promises, even if the case against it is far from proven in economic terms.
 
Is it not prudent to first determine where someone stands before you go flying in with the accusations.

I would still have invested a sizeable portion of the sum, and in the north too which might come as a shock to your preconceptions, only i feel that the country would have been better served by a half dozen projects of £5-6bn each. From the West Country to the North East, as well as something which passes for a bus service in rural communities (or fuel subsidies where approriate).

So how do the Tories find savings of 40 to 50 billion by scrapping HS2 if your position is that they will then spend any where near equal amounts on smaller projects?
 
More in the great Tory giveaway

David Cameron pledges 5 year 'tax lock'
The Prime Minister will say that voters should go with their 'gut instinct' and trust the Conservatives to cut taxes

There will be no VAT, national insurance or income tax rises for the next five years under a Conservative government, David Cameron will announce today as he vows to enshrine the Tory pledge in law.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...15-David-Cameron-pledges-5-year-tax-lock.html

Some fairly horrific cuts coming if the Tories win methinks.
 
Why do you need to pass a law against raising taxes if you are the govt, just don't raise taxes or am I missing something?
 
While Labour were busy sorting out a new leader the right wing press were really pushing the line that Labour caused the financial collapse through too much spending, which took root. Now its too late for Labour to reverse that particular narrative, so they have to be seen to be tough on any potential spending promises, even if the case against it is far from proven in economic terms.

The narrative has been absurd: "Labour's great recession", as if it wouldn't have occurred had the Tories been in power. No political party can protect the Country against a recession, just like no political party can be the instigator of a boom period.

The one thing I believe is that in the good times you should prepare for the bad times. The Country's deficit was around £16b in 1997, any company that was run competently would expect to turn mild losses into solid profits during this economic boom. So after a decade by 2007 you'd expect a surplus of what, say £100b? No, the deficit had increased to over £36b. To me this is utterly ludicrous, we went from spending just over £300b a year to around £550b a year in a decade, totally unsustainable.

Then when the recession does hit, naturally you have to continue to spend a decent amount, but tax revenues drop, so instead of spending from a position of strength and possibly turning a £100b surplus into a sustainable £50b loss, you end up totally screwed and having to either raise shit tons in tax, or cut shit tons in spending. Instead of having a few hundred billion in the bank sitting there earning interest in case of hard times, we now have to spend £53b or nearly 8% of our spend a year (more than our defence budget, over half our education budget and nearly 40% of our Healthcare budget) not on helping the most vulnerable during a recession, but on servicing a £1.36 trillion debt.

You look at the difference between Norway and the UK and you see the difference between good and bad governance. They have a GDP of $513b and cash reserves of over $850b. We have a GDP of $2700b and a debt of $2400b.
 
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