UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority

How did you vote in the 2015 General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 67 20.0%
  • Labour

    Votes: 152 45.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 15 4.5%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 6.9%
  • SNP

    Votes: 9 2.7%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 11 3.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Did not vote

    Votes: 43 12.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 9 2.7%

  • Total voters
    335
  • Poll closed .
You're probably aware that FPTP isn't used in the London mayoral/assembly elections, would you say that the state of politics in the capital is markedly better?PR certainly can't overcome the artificial constituencies they created; a Labour representative has been returned on each and every occasion since 2000.

In a political environment where elected representative are thought to be increasingly detached and unaccountable, does PR actually provide an answer to those problems?
 
Not necessarily. Systems like AMS in Scotland still have a constituency vote, and people are represented by a local MSP, whilst also having regional ones.

Yea but to implement the AMS (which isn't that good anyway considering it doesn't guarantee proportionality), you would have to either to merge some constituency areas in order to allow for a share of MP's to be distributed evenly or just add to the total number of MP's therefore creating virtual constituencies. In both cases an MP from he proportional vote only serves as a tool of the party.
 
I've never understood the argument regarding extremist parties gaining representation as a negative against certain voting systems.

As abhorrent as I find them, that is the nature of a democracy surely? Beyond a certain agreed upon threshold, a certain % of people voted for that party. Why should they not have their views represented in parliament by a candidate?
 
I wouldn't want to lose the proper constituency link. Speaking of which, I just bumped into my local Labour Candidate (Dr Rupa Huq) out and about in Ealing. Very impressed with her and really hope she wins.
 
Would PR allow you to vote against a particular individual? I once lived in a constituency where the Labour candidate was somewhere to left of Trotsky, so I voted Liberal. I then moved to where the Labour candidate was very good, so I voted for them there. Similarly I can imagine there are people about who would prefer a Conservative government, but wouldn't want to vote for some of their nastier candidates either.
I might be happier with single transferable vote.
In open-list versions you can be given a list of candidates within the party and rank them according to your preference so if an individual was unpopular enough they wouldn't be elected, or in systems like mixed-member proportional or the additional member system, you can vote for a MP for your area as well as for a party that would be used to proportionalise the final result.
 
I wouldn't want to lose the proper constituency link. Speaking of which, I just bumped into my local Labour Candidate (Dr Rupa Huq) out and about in Ealing. Very impressed with her and really hope she wins.
That's a good point- is there a way round losing it without FPTP? I've no idea tbh. Unless you have a bunch of random MPs without constituency added in to balance up the numbers, which doesn't sound great.
 
In open-list versions you can be given a list of candidates within the party and rank them according to your preference so if an individual was unpopular enough they wouldn't be elected, or in systems like mixed-member proportional or the additional member system, you can vote for a MP for your area as well as for a party that would be used to proportionalise the final result.

Thanks, I might be more open to that.
 
That's a good point- is there a way round losing it without FPTP? I've no idea tbh. Unless you have a bunch of random MPs without constituency added in to balance up the numbers, which doesn't sound great.
Redraw the boundaries (so each represents a similar number of people?) and have 500 mps to represent them
Have an additional allocated 500 based on pr so you have 1000 mps the constituency mps can focus on representing local issues and the rest can can concentrate full time on cabinet posts and committees so you get a local mp from FPTP still who provides the local link and is free to focus on representing local issues... Just an idea but it sounds better than what we have
 
Redraw the boundaries (so each represents a similar number of people?) and have 500 mps to represent them
Have an additional allocated 500 based on pr so you have 1000 mps the constituency mps can focus on representing local issues and the rest can can concentrate full time on cabinet posts and committees so you get a local mp from FPTP still who provides the local link and is free to focus on representing local issues... Just an idea but it sounds better than what we have
That sounds like a lot of MPs though.
 
Redraw the boundaries (so each represents a similar number of people?) and have 500 mps to represent them
Have an additional allocated 500 based on pr so you have 1000 mps the constituency mps can focus on representing local issues and the rest can can concentrate full time on cabinet posts and committees so you get a local mp from FPTP still who provides the local link and is free to focus on representing local issues... Just an idea but it sounds better than what we have

Having an extra 350 MPs is a non starter. The public would hate such an idea, particularly since 500 would be completely party controlled selections and as such would be an easy route for cronies to get into parliament.

Upping MPs total wage bill by 50% just to ensure that the likes of Boris Johnson can get a seat without all that tedious campaigning and risk of being kicked out? Don't reckon that'll go down well.
 
More Members of Parliament? No way!

Why would you want MORE when the ones we already have can't ever agree on anything, rarely do anything for the majority of people, and they cost us billions of pounds? Extra bureaucracy has stifled our Police force and our health service, our transport service etc. I cannot see how or why having more in Parliament would ever be a good thing.

The level of mistrust runs so deeply I doubt the country would ever agree to more anyway. Typical example is our local VILLAGE councillor. He has been in power for years and nobody can name anything he has ever really done for our village, yet because he is the only Tory candidate he always gets in. We had a pretty big problem a few years ago where the local train company (a PLC, running steam trains along the coast between Kingswear and Paignton) purchased the local river boat company who run the tourist cruises up and down the river and other services to other local ports and the local ferry service that runs from Kingswear to Dartmouth and back again.

Once they purchased it they wanted the ferry service stopped after 6pm in the Winter months because it didn't make them enough money despite the fact they made millions from it during the Summer months. They hid the profits from the ferry in the train service because people mainly bought combined tickets. They also didn't care that the ferry service was a vital link for many people who worked on either side of the river, and for people to go out and get shopping etc. A local meeting was held and our village councillor couldn't attend or get involved because of a conflict of interests. He is a major shareholder in the train company (and obviously now the boats too) and also owns the café and gift shop on the train platform in Kingswear.

Our local District councillor at the time was no other than Anthony Steen who famously said the public were just jealous because he claimed £87,000 expenses for a fence around his mansion that he was claiming as a second home. He also said that he wanted more holiday homes in the South West and that we don't have a problem here. Suffice to say he didn't help us either and eventually the local County council stepped in to subsidise the ferry service despite it not needing it.

There are countless similar stories from around the country, the corruption and abuse runs deep and starts at the lowest level of government, why on earth would people want or even believe that more MP's would ever help or change that and not make it worse?
 
Have the Tories given up? It very much seems that their focus is now on painting the inevitable Labour-SNP "coalition" as a negative outcome rather than winning the election.

They surely can't expect to pick up the marginal seats by convincing people the SNP are dangerous and as such so is a Labour vote? Especially when Sturgeon is polling highly and their equivalent is Farage. .
 
Interesting SNP article in the Economist;

The second-longest suicide note in history
The Scottish National Party's manifesto does not strong-arm Labour. In fact, it condemns the SNP to insignificance
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THERE was plenty of drama on this morning's front pages: "The SNP ransom note!", "Pulling the strings!", "SNP control!" The Conservatives and their chums in the media want nothing more than to talk up the possibility of a Labour government reliant on a party that would break up the United Kingdom, destroying Britain's three-century-old union. There are reasons to be sceptical about this nerdily insiderish line of attack. The launch of the separatist Scottish National Party's manifesto today is unlikely to have troubled the consciousness of the average English voter. Do voters in middle England really discuss the minutiae of minority government around the water cooler? Still, visits to Farsley, Guiseley and Wetherby, middle England in bricks and mortar, earlier today persuaded your correspondent that there is method to the Conservatives' apparent madness. The fact is that, however much it is undermining a union they claim to cherish, their Labour-SNP attack is cutting through. On the doorsteps, ordinary Tory-Labour swing voters in the suburbs of Leeds are talking about The Scots. And residual bad feeling about The Scots' immolation of Wetherby in 1314 can only explain so much.

Despite the bluster, however, today the SNP wrote itself out of nation-changing power, not into it. Two routes were available to Nicola Sturgeon as she strode out to rock-concert-like applause at her manifesto launch this morning. Both were politically viable, consistent with her stated desire to lead Scotland to independence, and would have guaranteed her influence over any Labour government dependent on her party's MPs.

The first route was to put forward a really left-wing electoral programme: eye-watering tax hikes on the rich, an expansion of the welfare state, mass-renationalisation of utilities and infrastructure. That would have invited Scottish voters to give Ms Sturgeon a mandate to twist the arm of any Labour government. It would have aligned her with her stated allies in England: the Green Party. It would have fired up the many thousands of excitable young, left-wing Scots who have signed up to the SNP since the independence referendum last September. Indeed, it would have been consistent with the Yes campaign's own loopy proposals and prognostications. That campaign, prone as it was to treating arithmetic as a fusty English imposition, laid radical left-wing tracks onto which Ms Sturgeon could have steered the SNP train. But she did not.

Another option would have been a return to the SNP's own fiscally conservative roots. Remember: the party spent several decades as the "tartan Tories", the home of palid, calculator-fumbling oil executives and chartered accountants. Imagine if Ms Sturgeon had strode out onto that stage and pledged to cut the deficit and make the state leaner and more efficient; to make the numbers add up. "Scots are fed up of paying the interest on English debts", she might have insisted. Imagine the dismay at Miliband HQ as it dawned on strategists that, in any SNP-supported government, SNP MPs in Westminster would be able to point to their own manifesto as justification for siding with Tories, in the event that they did not get their way when legislation was being drafted. With a mandate to triangulate in Scotland's interests, Ms Sturgeon could have variously played off England's two main parties against each other and, whenever she failed, trumpeted the case for independence afresh.

But she took neither route. Instead, she took the one guaranteed (whatever the English tabloids claim) to minimise her party's influence in Westminster; that is, the one entirely in keeping with the outlook of the average member of the parliamentary Labour party. Reading the SNP manifesto, your correspondent was overwhelmed by a single impression: no document in recent British history has better epitomised the instincts of the average Labour MP. Like Labour, the SNP would: raise the top rate of tax to 50p, abolish the "bedroom tax", increase the minimum wage, reintroduce the bankers' bonus tax, boost house-building and support for the disabled, decentralise political power, overhaul the House of Lords, mandate lower energy prices, accelerate progress towards carbon-reduction targets, increase female representation on company boards, cut (but not abolish) tuition fees across Britain, support EU membership, uphold Britain's international aid commitments, oppose the "privatisation" of the NHS and boost apprenticeships. As the Resolution Foundation notes, the two parties' fiscal plans are eminently reconcilable. The only major difference—the SNP would abolish Trident where Labour might not—invites as much prevarication over the next five years as did the coalition agreement between the pro-Trident Conservatives and the Trident-sceptic Liberal Democrats in 2010. And (whisper it softly): those two parties got on just fine.

The fact is that the SNP manifesto could do Ms Sturgeon and her party immense damage. It writes her into an alliance with Labour out of which she cannot easily wriggle. A notable gap between the parties would have given her both leverage in Westminster and, when that fell short, an excuse for the second independence referendum that she craves but that few Scots currently do (witness the noisy booing from the audience when she refused to rule it out in the second televised Scottish leaders' debate two weeks ago). But no such gap exists. The SNP leader will not hold Labour "to ransom". In fact, come any Labour-SNP majority, it is not Ms Sturgeon who would be the "most powerful woman in Britain", but Rosie Winterton. The not-inconsiderable abilities of the Labour chief whip would dictate what any such government could achieve. SNP MPs would have a simple choice: toe the line, or stray from their own manifesto. And be in no doubt: where they erred, Labour would be well placed to dump failures on them in precisely the fashion that makes even left-leaning Lib Dem MPs mumble that they might be better off back with the Tories. Moreover, Ms Sturgeon's case for a second independence referendum, one that she could certainly make (probably successfully) under a new Conservative-led government in Westminster, would wither.

Ms Sturgeon is known on Fleet Street for admiring Michael Foot, who presided over Labour's hard-left, "longest suicide note in history" manifesto in 1983. Yet her first manifesto as leader of the SNP more closely resembles the path that Labour would have taken under John Smith, the utterly moderate, European social democrat who assumed the party's leadership a decade after Foot's resignation and whose death precipitated Tony Blair's more centrist approach. Indeed, such is the path to which the party has returned under Mr Miliband. By clinging so closely to the agenda of a party that she wants to put out of business, Ms Sturgeon has published the second "longest suicide note in history" (at about 16,000 words, it is about a quarter shorter than Labour's self-destructive programme in 1983). But it is much to the right of the first. And eventually, if Labour leads the next government, it will put her own party out of business.
 
It could yet work, they're dominating the news with it and with the race so tight all it needs is a few percent worth of ukippers to get caught up by the scaremongering. It's a desperate tactic of a toothless campaign, but they have been known to work.
 
To be honest though, the SNP are a pretty centre-left party anyway. They're not the radical destructive socialists that the Daily Mail would have you believe. I know socialists up here who can't stand them as a party.
 
To be honest though, the SNP are a pretty centre-left party anyway. They're not the radical destructive socialists that the Daily Mail would have you believe. I know socialists up here who can't stand them as a party.

Does it even matter where they sit, beyond Camerons Casandra impersonation they wont be able to have independent influence. The only way they'd block anything or pass anything Labour didn't want would be if the Tories were in cahoots, which makes there claims ludicrous.

Or am I completely misrepresenting something here? Labour might concede small items to the SNP so that it had the votes where Tories opposed but nothing consequential.
 
Does it even matter where they sit, beyond Camerons Casandra impersonation they wont be able to have independent influence. The only way they'd block anything or pass anything Labour didn't want would be if the Tories were in cahoots, which makes there claims ludicrous.

Or am I completely misrepresenting something here? Labour might concede small items to the SNP so that it had the votes where Tories opposed but nothing consequential.

Good point
 
Massive fragmentation of political parties, with multiple parties each representing very narrow (but sizeable) constituencies. A jumble of a coalition making up the government, and no cohesive ideology.

Look at Israel.
 
I wouldn't want to lose the proper constituency link. Speaking of which, I just bumped into my local Labour Candidate (Dr Rupa Huq) out and about in Ealing. Very impressed with her and really hope she wins.

You from ealing yeah? My hometown is actually Acton.
 
Murdoch is not a happy bunny.



Rupert Murdoch berated journalists on his tabloid papers for not doing enough to stop Labour winning the general election and warned them that the future of the company depended on stopping Ed Miliband entering No 10.

The proprietor of Britain’s best-selling tabloid warned executives that a Labour government would try to break up News Corp, which owns The Sun, The Times and The Sunday Times. He instructed them to be much more aggressive in their attacks on Labour and more positive about Conservative achievements in the run-up to polling day, sources told The Independent.

Mr Murdoch is understood to have made his views clear on a visit to London at the end of February, during which he met with senior Tories including the Conservative chief whip and former Times executive Michael Gove.

The News Corp boss, who has made no secret of his dislike of the Labour leader, told the editor of The Sun, David Dinsmore, that he expected the paper to be much sharper in its attacks on Labour.

A hint of his frustration was evident on Twitter when the News Corp boss wrote: “Cameron’s Tories bash vulnerable Miliband for months with no effect on polls. Need new aspirational policies to have any hope of winning.”

Two days after Mr Murdoch’s visit the paper devoted a two-page spread to the election – with the left-hand page containing a 10-point “pledge” to voters written by David Cameron. The right-hand side of the spread was an attack on Ed Balls under the headline: “I ruined your pensions, I sold off our gold, I helped wreck [the] economy, Now I’m going to put up your taxes.”

It is understood that Mr Murdoch reminded executives that Labour would try to break up News UK, which owns The Sun, The Times and The Sunday Times. The party has suggested that no owner should be allowed to control more than 34 per cent of the UK media, a cap which would force News UK to sell one of the titles.

It has also pledged to implement recommendations in the Leveson report for an independent press regulator backed by statute, bitterly opposed by Murdoch. Mr Miliband has made “standing up” to Mr Murdoch over the phone-hacking affair a central plank in his attempts to persuade voters that he is a strong leader. A source said: “Rupert made it very clear he was unhappy with The Sun’s coverage of the election. He basically said the future of the company was at stake and they need to get their act together.”

A spokesman for The Sun said: “As has always been the case, The Sun’s political coverage is informed by how the political parties approach the issues that matter most to our readers. The Labour Party has been weak on tackling the deficit, weak on immigration, weak on fracking and opposes giving the country a referendum on the EU. If Ed Miliband wants to ignore the concerns of Sun readers we feel it is our responsibility to reflect that decision.”

Labour has complained that the tone of The Sun’s coverage has become increasingly hostile. A party source said: “Every announcement we gave them got twisted.”

Mr Miliband was mocked-up as a character from The Simpsons, in a spread headlined MANIFEST-D’OH! last week. The paper also accused him of “hypocrisy” because he and his wife Justine use an upper-floor kitchen, while his sons’ nanny has a second in the basement.

Last night a Sun source denied corporate concerns affected editorial decisions – pointing out that it had labelled Mr Miliband “Red Ed” when he was standing for the Labour leadership.
 
God I'd love to Murdoch get his wings clipped, it's been a long time coming. If Milliband becomes PM he'll be the first to 'win' an election without the support of Murdoch's papers since the 1970s.
 
God I'd love to Murdoch get his wings clipped, it's been a long time coming. If Milliband becomes PM he'll be the first to 'win' an election without the support of Murdoch's papers since the 1970s.
Bit overstated imo. The Sun changed sides in 1997 cos it knew Blair was going to win and it didn't want to be seen to be backing a loser.
 
Murdoch is not a happy bunny.



Rupert Murdoch berated journalists on his tabloid papers for not doing enough to stop Labour winning the general election and warned them that the future of the company depended on stopping Ed Miliband entering No 10.

The proprietor of Britain’s best-selling tabloid warned executives that a Labour government would try to break up News Corp, which owns The Sun, The Times and The Sunday Times. He instructed them to be much more aggressive in their attacks on Labour and more positive about Conservative achievements in the run-up to polling day, sources told The Independent.

Mr Murdoch is understood to have made his views clear on a visit to London at the end of February, during which he met with senior Tories including the Conservative chief whip and former Times executive Michael Gove.

The News Corp boss, who has made no secret of his dislike of the Labour leader, told the editor of The Sun, David Dinsmore, that he expected the paper to be much sharper in its attacks on Labour.

A hint of his frustration was evident on Twitter when the News Corp boss wrote: “Cameron’s Tories bash vulnerable Miliband for months with no effect on polls. Need new aspirational policies to have any hope of winning.”

Two days after Mr Murdoch’s visit the paper devoted a two-page spread to the election – with the left-hand page containing a 10-point “pledge” to voters written by David Cameron. The right-hand side of the spread was an attack on Ed Balls under the headline: “I ruined your pensions, I sold off our gold, I helped wreck [the] economy, Now I’m going to put up your taxes.”

It is understood that Mr Murdoch reminded executives that Labour would try to break up News UK, which owns The Sun, The Times and The Sunday Times. The party has suggested that no owner should be allowed to control more than 34 per cent of the UK media, a cap which would force News UK to sell one of the titles.

It has also pledged to implement recommendations in the Leveson report for an independent press regulator backed by statute, bitterly opposed by Murdoch. Mr Miliband has made “standing up” to Mr Murdoch over the phone-hacking affair a central plank in his attempts to persuade voters that he is a strong leader. A source said: “Rupert made it very clear he was unhappy with The Sun’s coverage of the election. He basically said the future of the company was at stake and they need to get their act together.”

A spokesman for The Sun said: “As has always been the case, The Sun’s political coverage is informed by how the political parties approach the issues that matter most to our readers. The Labour Party has been weak on tackling the deficit, weak on immigration, weak on fracking and opposes giving the country a referendum on the EU. If Ed Miliband wants to ignore the concerns of Sun readers we feel it is our responsibility to reflect that decision.”

Labour has complained that the tone of The Sun’s coverage has become increasingly hostile. A party source said: “Every announcement we gave them got twisted.”

Mr Miliband was mocked-up as a character from The Simpsons, in a spread headlined MANIFEST-D’OH! last week. The paper also accused him of “hypocrisy” because he and his wife Justine use an upper-floor kitchen, while his sons’ nanny has a second in the basement.

Last night a Sun source denied corporate concerns affected editorial decisions – pointing out that it had labelled Mr Miliband “Red Ed” when he was standing for the Labour leadership.

Who's article is that?
 
Good god, 'white dee' is on Newsnight in a discussion on benefits.
 
I wish I could say I was surprised.
Newsnight generally tries to keep the level of debate a bit higher though...or so I thought.
There's a disabled woman in a wheelchair who is being ignored and left to look like a lemon.
 
So a Newsnight welfare debate was apparently cancelled because the Tories decided to pull out. They genuinely seem like they can't be arsed this election.
 
So a Newsnight welfare debate was apparently cancelled because the Tories decided to pull out. They genuinely seem like they can't be arsed this election.
They had one. It was pretty crap.
 
How do people vote for their local councillor. Got my postal vote and literally not heard of any of the candidates. Googled each of their names and absolutely nothing came up. I have zero idea what any of them are about and will do apart from knowing their party. I even searched FB and only found one of them. I may message the guy I found on FB and ask him a few questions, but I'm not sure I'll bother voting for anyone.
 
Ah right, my bad then, didn't have it on and saw reports they'd decided to pull out.
I flicked over and it was on, but I was only half-watching tbh. There was a posh bloke who sounded pro-government so just assumed he was Tory. Guess he could've been a random.
 
I flicked over and it was on, but I was only half-watching tbh. There was a posh bloke who sounded pro-government so just assumed he was Tory. Guess he could've been a random.

Yeah, could've been Lib Dem perhaps. Not sure though.
 
How do people vote for their local councillor. Got my postal vote and literally not heard of any of the candidates. Googled each of their names and absolutely nothing came up. I have zero idea what any of them are about and will do apart from knowing their party. I even searched FB and only found one of them. I may message the guy I found on FB and ask him a few questions, but I'm not sure I'll bother voting for anyone.
You're lucky. I never answer my door at weekends now. If it's not Lab/Con candidates, it's Jehovah's Witnesses. Guess it depends on your area and if there is a big local campaign going on.
 
How do people vote for their local councillor. Got my postal vote and literally not heard of any of the candidates. Googled each of their names and absolutely nothing came up. I have zero idea what any of them are about and will do apart from knowing their party. I even searched FB and only found one of them. I may message the guy I found on FB and ask him a few questions, but I'm not sure I'll bother voting for anyone.

It's an MP you're voting for in this one. And even if you can't find out too much about the candidates, don't let that bother you. While knowing how good a local MP is individually can be helpful, it's ultimately still the party you're voting for. Unless you don't align with any of the parties in the slightest, you should still vote. If you can't find any of the candidates online, none of them are probably particularly significant.