I think few from other countries following this thread might have picked that.
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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I think few from other countries following this thread might have picked that.
The demographics of voting are stark - 75% of old gits vote and most of them vote Tory (who reward them with pension relaxation, bonds etc etc). Less than 50% of DEs vote.
Young people of the world
Unite and take over
Young people of the world
Unite and take over
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Unite and take over
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Take over
Young people of the world
Unite and take over
Young people of the world
Unite and take over
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Unite and take over
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Take over
Asylum seeker from Albania, they barely let us in, and in fact try to kick us out on a technicality because the customs officer who detained us for 8 hours put the wrong stamp in our passport. And I doubt I'd be here if there was a right wing government when we came over. We try to stay in touch with the people who helped us and they say it's harder now.
You're assuming the people not voting would have different intentions to the people voting. They might, I don't know for certain, but I suspect that if they did vote they'd vote similarly to the people around them.
I agree, if the campaigns keep going as they were he'll probably be the next PM.
Well you have to vote Labour then, Tories despise the working class and immigrants (unless they're filthy rich)
You should be comparing the polling from the referendum with the result and not with the election polling.
In the month leading up to the referendum the polls were suggesting a NO with an average of about 3 points difference while the actual difference was over 10 points. This is highly inaccurate and well over the margin error. This is why I have likened the SNP surge to the inaccurate referendum polls.
In 2010 also, a month before the election the polls had the Lib Dems tied with Labour and even ahead by 2 or 3 points but the result was entirely different with Labour being 6 points ahead.
There's a consistent ~5% lead with some tightening towards the end, which caused "the pledge" to be made and Brown to promise Devo Max. The polls then reverted to the mean and unsurprisingly the don't knows broke for the conservative No option.
Either way, we'll see. My main point is that it's very likely the SNP will get a large majority of the Scottish seats, and there's no real evidence for any skewing going on.
While I also think the referendum ha boosted support for the SNP I think they will only get circa 30 seats.
I really don't. I'd rather vote Green in the faint hope that it'll drag them slightly further to the left. And Labour have already won my constituency so I'd rather vote for someone who I agree most with than use my vote to prove how much I hate the Tories.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...servative-party-election-pledge-extra-8bn-nhs
This comes across as complete desperation. They clearly think they're heading for a bad result.
Besides, having promised "no top down reorganisation of the NHS" only to undertake the biggest top down reorganisation of the NHS in a generation I suspect this pledge is going to get battered.
Well its 30bn of which 8bn MAY come from extra funding. They'll more than likely just find extra efficiency savings from that magic money tree. Basically just sell a few things off and move the money around a bit so everyone gets a gold star, apart from the patients of course who get a worse deal.
Whilst it is certainly the role of the opposition to highlight what they see as errors or falsehoods, it does also behove them to set out a positive vision for the next parliament (i can't find one). However Labour has mostly served up its own brand of uncertainty and deceit, there is a reasonable case for accusing them of negativity. And as @Cheesy has alluded to, such has arguably been a pillar of the campaign in Scotland.
Only to protest afterwards because they neglected to read their chosen party's manifesto.
Besides, i am acqua young people who wouldn't go near
I think you'll find that Labour's diminishing credibility has been responsible for political landscaping in Scotland.
Whether you believe this or not is up to you, although many believe Cameron to have been somewhat ambushed by Lansley over that restructuring.
There is money to be found apparently, as my local hospital had tens of millions of pounds worth of investment confirmed in March. Labour's mismanagement of health provision was acute though, and plans for its use remain unknown i believe.
That healthcare has become little more than a pissing contest only goes to expose the weakness of the debate and its participants.
I'm not talking about whether I believe it, just stating what I think will happen in this particular campaign. The point is that Cameron made that explicit claim before the election then went back on it. And unlike other promises he couldn't at least make the argument that things were worse/different when he got into office than he suspected, because it wasn't done to save money (indeed it cost money).
Its already a major weak point for the Tories, which is why they've brought this figure up, but its a lose-lose situation for them I reckon. Any claim they make, people will just point to the straight up lie about the NHS in the last campaign.
As for your local hospital, its exceedingly rare for money to go straight from Government to hospitals. Funding & funding decisions are by CCGs, which have no meaningful political oversight. Are you sure this is thanks to the Tories, or are you just assuming?
You can make a fair bit of cash on that if you fancy putting your money where your mouth is.
Considering that the last government indebted the health service on the one hand (for short term political gain), and spent billions inefficiently on the other, i'd question whether it is so great a strength for Labour. They have nice sounding rhetoric to be sure, but a lack when it comes to sustainable results or a long term strategy. A canny political operator could do well with such fertile ground.
From what i recall of the respective parties health proposals, the Lib Dems can lay claim to having the most credibly original.
There is no mention of a CCG in the reporting, although that could be due to the management structure in place at present. The hospital has been handed into the keeping of a separate trust, one consequence of this was a proposal for redevelopment which government approved. The overall funding for the project would appear to stem from three sources: government, the new trust, and some land sales.
Labour simply took an axe to the place, so do pardon me if i view them as doubly hyporcitical.
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That is three unfunded commitments from the Tories in one week.
8 billion to the NHS for the short fall.
Freeze on rail ticket prices
3 days of for volunteering per year for every employee, which will be a massive cost to the NHS in private cover.
Not bad for a party which likes to criticise others for their unfunded claims.
8 billion to the NHS for the short fall.
Freeze on rail ticket prices
3 days of for volunteering per year for every employee, which will be a massive cost to the NHS in private cover.
Not bad for a party which likes to criticise others for their unfunded claims.
This is going to happen a lot in politics from now on. Candidate's gonna forget to delete stupid shit they wrote on the internet when they were young and it'll be used to paint them as something they're probably not.
Unless you want to volunteer with a union, of course, which won't be allowed.
tbh as far as political campaigns go, I reckon it'd hard to make much mileage from Labour's NHS record. They overspent, and often spent badly for sure. On the other hand there were record levels of staffing and record low waiting lists in almost every area, which is about as much as the average punter understands about the workings of the NHS.
Definitely not funded by the Government by the sounds of it. I've never heard of one getting money direct from Government, but obviously I couldn't rule out some small specialist unit somewhere being funded in a weird way. This sounds like a general hospital from what you're saying. Here's a link to an outline of what CCGs do, which includes commissioning all elective and emergency hospital services.
http://www.nhscc.org/ccgs/
I'd also point out that it was the Tories that illegally closed Lewisham Hospital, then forced through Clause 119 of the Care Bill to allow them to do it legally in the future. So their hands are no cleaner.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24729477
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-26531807
How sustainable was any of that though? What would happen to this new era of care when PFI and botched computerisations caught up with events? Throw in the rising cost of medication and treatments and the feeling would soon have been on of foreboding rather than hope.
"he Government will pay £82million towards the project" *shrugs*
I recall the story, however constituency concerns are by their very nature parochial, the voter will look upon with disfavour the party which instigated the damage. Besides, i am not holding up the Tories as guides for healthcare, but neither do i consider Labour to be such.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree it was badly spent, but as far as a political campaign goes, its too subtle a point to make capital from.
That appears to refer to a capital redevelopment project.
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The Tories hate the NHS, Government spending on a massive scale. They can't cut it because they'd loose every election from now to eternity if they tried, so they pretend to care. Still they've polished this turd as best they could, their one priority this Parliament was to pass a piece of legislation which ensures the whole NHS budget is open to being leached by their mates in the city via privatization.
Heh, both really playing for the bases now
Tories would cut inheritance tax - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32271505
Labour to raise £7.5bn from tax avoiders - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32271846
Tories would cut inheritance tax - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32271505
Labour to raise £7.5bn from tax avoiders - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32271846
Our taglines may come back to haunt us if we ever take office!
You should be worried.I on the other hand am a simple Full Member so nothing to worry about.
I think parties are trying too hard to be all things to all people. I think they should just take one direction and not fluctuate based on every issue. Conservatives trying hard to please UKIP-ers is the latest craze.
You're completely fecked in the anti-litter vote. At least Jippy's going to be a strong contended in the Boris-Johnson-Pervet category.
I on the other hand am a simple Full Member so nothing to worry about.
I think parties are trying too hard to be all things to all people. I think they should just take one direction and not fluctuate based on every issue. Conservatives trying hard to please UKIP-ers is the latest craze.
Am figuring my chances of being an MP are ultra-slim at best. Worst thing would be if you had a job interview and it suddenly dawned on you that the interviewer was peterstorey or wibble.Depends on how many lies you've told them before the realisation, really.
The one thing the Tories have always done well is to paint inheritance tax as an attack on the hard work of "ordinary" people.
Where I currently reside in Essex it always comes up as a hot issue yet so few are actually affected but they've been led to think otherwise.
Obviously its an outrage that the inheritance of a parents property on which they've worked hard to enjoy the soaring property boom should be taxed.
Where I currently reside in Essex it always comes up as a hot issue yet so few are actually affected but they've been led to think otherwise.
Obviously its an outrage that the inheritance of a parents property on which they've worked hard to enjoy the soaring property boom should be taxed.
Are labour very strong on redcafe or is it just the general consensus in the UK?
Are labour very strong on redcafe or is it just the general consensus in the UK?
I'd guess most of the Brits on cafe are from north or from London proper. Both places with strong labour vote.
If you put this survey on the Southampton or Chelsea forum the split would be overwhelming towards tories.
Thanks.
Was wondering since the opinion here seems to be very strong labour leaning. If you consider politics in a historically conservative Europe, the popularity of centre-left parties is increasing a lot lately. Just take Malta and Italy for example. Malta ended a 25 year period of governance by the Conservative party with Labour winning by a margin of over 12% and Italy switched to the Democratic party as well in the same period of time.I think most of Europe is sick of the measures taken by Conservative parties all around and this is bringing forward the change of what most people are looking for from a political point of view.
Thanks.
I think most of Europe is sick of the measures taken by Conservative parties all around and this is bringing forward the change of what most people are looking for from a political point of view.
Like all other things we do things opposite round here. Most of the damage here done be the labour govt. People are slowly but surely getting the sense that our left parties are shit.
As you say, the change is coming here too. Just Right in place of left just like driving.
Well...no.
well, that's bollocks.
I did say people are realising slowly. You too will get there eventually, hang in there.
I don't know who "ordinary" people are precisely, but IHT is both clumsily implemented and a further raid by government upon those of varying wealth. Although when one considers what about Labour's other tax proposals. it should perhaps come as no surprise that its supporters approve of ham-fisted policy making. Taxes will have been incurred at the time of purchase, and then repeatedly throughout the lifespan of habitation, it's not been some freebie.
With the likelihood being that Ed Balls will increase the tax burden on hard working professionals, this could yet be a profitable line of approach as it was during Brown's premiership.
It si worth mentioning makr you, that Osboroe made a similar pledge prior to 2010. If once more the Tories are in coalition with the Lib Dems, a rise in the IHT threshold will suffer a similar fate. Easy electioneering as @Ubik points out though.
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I'd say you're pulling this out of your arse.
Out of my arse and gotten straight into your head. Id recomend you clean up.
Have you actually got anything to indicate this swing to the right? The Tories look like they're on their way out despite the economy doing well, and that's the main thing people vote for. Because it really does seem like you're making things up.