Jacko21
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Farage is unusually quiet...
If I had to bet all my worldly possessions on one party the Lib Dem’s form a coalition with after this election, it would be the Tories every time and I absolutely believe that they would help Boris get his deal over the line too if it meant them sharing some power. They’ll talk meekly about doing everything they could to avoid no deal and that’s always been their mission.
Absolute tumescent group of politicians.
The Lib Dem wouldn't even work with Gordon Brown.Theres no way they would join with Corbyn and who could blame them. Labour have only themselves to blame and that goes back to choosing Ed Miliband over David
It's a nightmare but the country can't vote in a Tory Government again can it?
There's more to life than brexit.
Speaker didn't choose? Surely thats very controversial! Why didn't he choose?
They have good policies and a small army of activists young and resilient enough to doorstep in the dark and rain/snow.explain how that works?
Yeah, feck knows what's going on there.Farage is unusually quiet...
Theres no way they would join with Corbyn and who could blame them. Labour have only themselves to blame and that goes back to choosing Ed Miliband over David
The party that will likely win has spent nine years trebling child poverty, homelessness and national debt.
The party that will likely win has decimated public services through cuts to the police, armed forces, fire services, education, health services and the (relatively small) welfare sector.
The party that will likely win has endorsed the rise of Islamophobia and hate crime, given credence by the ascent of a racist and misogynist to role of Prime Minister.
The party that will likely win has deported people that have lived in the country for decades.
The party that will likely win has contributed to the deaths of some of the most vulnerable people in our society, under the guise of austerity.
What a fecking country.
And that person is........................Only because Labour's led by Corbyn who's not very relatable. If they had someone more normal, moderate in charge they'd likely win.
Busy negotiating a non-aggression pact with Johnson.Farage is unusually quiet...
It's the big question. I'm not sure it's in Johnson's nature to go for such a high risk strategy though, huge potential win for him but a lethal bite in the arse if it didn't work out.Busy negotiating a non-aggression pact with Johnson.
If I had to bet all my worldly possessions on one party the Lib Dem’s form a coalition with after this election, it would be the Tories every time and I absolutely believe that they would help Boris get his deal over the line too if it meant them sharing some power. They’ll talk meekly about doing everything they could to avoid no deal and that’s always been their mission.
Absolute tumescent group of politicians.
Disagreement on a forum shock, but I couldn't disagree more! I am no fan of Jo Swinson, she has a very questionable voting record to say the least, but I do believe in the integrity of the party as a whole. I cannot believe that they would go into power with anyone who wanted to leave the EU with or without a deal. I can understand the reluctance to make a pact with JC as his actions and policies have hardly been transparent throughout this process. But I do think that had the coalition government continued past the 2015 election we would never have had the referendum and wouldn't be in this horrendous mess in the first place.
It’s been over thirty years since the British people last had a vote on Britain’s membership of the European Union.
That’s why the Liberal Democrats want a real referendum on Europe. Only a real referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU will let the people decide our country’s future.
But Labour don’t want the people to have their say.
The Conservatives only support a limited referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Why won’t they give the people a say in a real referendum?
And that person is........................
The Lib Dems wanted a referendum on EU membership in 2008(And in their 2010 manifesto).
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/eu-referendum-leaflet-will-haunt-clegg-today
And nearly all Lib Dem MPs voted in favour of the EU Referendum Act in 2015.
he had the biggest labour vote share increase in 60 years and ended what looked like an invincible tory majority. the 2017 election is the sole reason brexit hasn't happened so far.
Not that he's genuinely interested in preventing Brexit anyway.
Yes, but he was also running against perhaps the most inept Prime Minister in decades and still couldn't win. Making gains in vote share against a competent opponent is very different from doing it against Teresa May and the Tories in 2017.
His moral victory in 2017 has only delayed Brexit, rather than preventing it. Not that he's genuinely interested in preventing Brexit anyway.
Fair call, revisionism on my part!
But to be fair they went into it clearly campaigning from a remain point of view, they have never been a 'leave' party. Interestingly Labour changed their policy to vote for the referendum too, it was only the SNP that called it out as a political gamble on behalf of the Tory party and voted against it on that basis and good for them.
Backing a referendum wasn't in the Lib Dem 2015 manifesto, though Clegg did say that there was nothing inconsistent about being pro-european and democratic at the same time. They were also clear that there should only be a referendum if a new treaty was drawn up between UK and EU.
I should add I am not a Lib Dem supporter, though I'll vote for them in the constituency where I am registered as it is a straight Tory/Lib Dem race. I personally would like to see a Lib Lab coalition, but to go back to the original post in this conversation I agree that I can't see it happening sadly.
Only because Labour's led by Corbyn who's not very relatable. If they had someone more normal, moderate in charge they'd likely win.
boris johnson has lost the majority of his votes since becoming PM. May couldn't get her deal thourgh for parliament for months.
you know that you are being disisngenuous with the "they lost" framing, you know exactly why that election was called, what labour's prospects looked like, what happened in 2015, etc. but it is convenient to ignore context for a one-liner.
Literally the most difficult choice I’ve ever known in terms of who to vote for in all of my years of voting.
Tory - I am against austerity and hate the cuts to our public services that have happened under the Tories over the last few years. The threat of leaving the EU without a deal is also a worry ... But! Nothing changes for the negative for me and my family finances.
Lib Dem - the first time in my whole life I’ve even considered them ... But! I don’t like Jo Swinson at all and think she’d be a terrible PM, plus although I voted Remain I think revoking A50 and ignoring the 2016 referendum would shatter politics for good and only make the current social volatility even worse. Much better we leave with some semblance of a good deal and vote back in later down the line.
Labour - Not even considering them for the first time ever as their plans for IHT literally dismantle everything that has been my driving force over the last 10 years. I’ve made big sacrifices, have worked hard and progressed in my career, often against my wishes and instincts, to provide for my children on my death. Under Labours plans that would all be gone in a flash.
Yep.boris johnson has lost the majority of his votes since becoming PM. May couldn't get her deal thourgh for parliament for months.
you know that you are being disisngenuous with the "they lost" framing, you know exactly why that election was called, what labour's prospects looked like, what happened in 2015, etc. but it is convenient to ignore context for a one-liner.
Literally the most difficult choice I’ve ever known in terms of who to vote for in all of my years of voting.
Tory - I am against austerity and hate the cuts to our public services that have happened under the Tories over the last few years. The threat of leaving the EU without a deal is also a worry ... But! Nothing changes for the negative for me and my family finances.
Lib Dem - the first time in my whole life I’ve even considered them ... But! I don’t like Jo Swinson at all and think she’d be a terrible PM, plus although I voted Remain I think revoking A50 and ignoring the 2016 referendum would shatter politics for good and only make the current social volatility even worse. Much better we leave with some semblance of a good deal and vote back in later down the line.
Labour - Not even considering them for the first time ever as their plans for IHT literally dismantle everything that has been my driving force over the last 10 years. I’ve made big sacrifices, have worked hard and progressed in my career, often against my wishes and instincts, to provide for my children on my death. Under Labours plans that would all be gone in a flash.
The Lib Dems are con artists. Flip flop to gain votes. They pushed for the referendum in the first place.Disagreement on a forum shock, but I couldn't disagree more! I am no fan of Jo Swinson, she has a very questionable voting record to say the least, but I do believe in the integrity of the party as a whole. I cannot believe that they would go into power with anyone who wanted to leave the EU with or without a deal. I can understand the reluctance to make a pact with JC as his actions and policies have hardly been transparent throughout this process. But I do think that had the coalition government continued past the 2015 election we would never have had the referendum and wouldn't be in this horrendous mess in the first place.
Fair enough. The revisionism is more from the Lib Dems than yourself. Why campaign for a referendum then campaign to revoke the outcome?Fair call, revisionism on my part!
But to be fair they went into it clearly campaigning from a remain point of view, they have never been a 'leave' party. Interestingly Labour changed their policy to vote for the referendum too, it was only the SNP that called it out as a political gamble on behalf of the Tory party and voted against it on that basis and good for them.
Backing a referendum wasn't in the Lib Dem 2015 manifesto, though Clegg did say that there was nothing inconsistent about being pro-european and democratic at the same time. They were also clear that there should only be a referendum if a new treaty was drawn up between UK and EU.
I should add I am not a Lib Dem supporter, though I'll vote for them in the constituency where I am registered as it is a straight Tory/Lib Dem race. I personally would like to see a Lib Lab coalition, but to go back to the original post in this conversation I agree that I can't see it happening sadly.
Fair enough. The revisionism is more from the Lib Dems than yourself. Why campaign for a referendum then campaign to revoke the outcome?
It does.Erm @Damien, the poll should say 2019 election
Why campaign to respect the result of the referendum then campaign to have a second referendum?