No it's not.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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It was never free... They merely shifted some of the cost on a deferred basis to those that benefit most from it
Yeah, that's called "tax". Free at the point of use. Free to the person being educated at the point of education.
But you knew that's what I meant.
So I know pretty much feck all when it comes to politics, other than, vote Blue if you're a rich posh twat or vote red if you wanna 'Help the people'
So normally I'd vote for Corbyn, but aint he a twat also
So normally I'd vote for Corbyn, but aint he a twat also
This is such a weird position:
"I like some of Labours policy but I don't think they'd implement it well, therefore I'm going to vote for parties that won't be in Government to try to achieve a Tory government whilst allowing myself to sleep at night because I can tell myself I didn't vote for it'
Erm under Blair it was still free at the point of use... deferred payments only from those who benefited from the eduction only when they reached a certain earnings level
And the government still paid the vast majority of the fees
But I suspect you knew that
Do you have enough smilies there?Labour way ahead in the Caf poll?????????
The question is asking who you are voting for, not who you think will win.
This forum is not representative when it comes to polling. Only 6% would vote for Boris.....
Always knew this was a place filled with top-notch people
Always knew this was a place filled with top-notch people
I'm not saying they had to have austerity. I'm saying that current spending levels are at least in line (often greater) than the Blair years or any other peace time recession free period in history. So we haven't had austerity, we haven't been spending 34-35% of GDP which would be austerity. We've been spending 38-39%.
How much spending to GDP would you be comfortable with? 40%... 45%... 70% as we have during WW2?
Not funded by loans but all fees covered for undergraduate higher education. As they still are for Scottish citizens thankfully.
Those who benefitted from the education pay for their education through the higher tax they pay on their, on average, higher earnings.
The seeds for the current sorry scenario in England and Wales were firmly sown under Blair.
Which you also knew. Are you going to continue to pretend to misunderstand the point being made?
Certainly not the marxist antisemitic cnuts, that's for sure!
who are you voting for?
In aid of not wanting my Friday night to descend into political back and forth I'll ask one question: did you believe Tony Blair between 1997 - 2004 enacted a series of austerity policies that saw spend to GDP lower than its current levels?
Or is it that the slow acceleration of spend is seen as progressive, whereas returning to historically high spend after a recesssion is seen as regressive? If the latter would the Tories be seen more progressively had they slashed spend to 34% in 2010 and creeped it up by 0.5% ever year to current spend today?
The poll was left anonymous for a reason?
So I know pretty much feck all when it comes to politics, other than, vote Blue if you're a rich posh twat or vote red if you wanna 'Help the people'
So normally I'd vote for Corbyn, but aint he a twat also
Yes he is.
Baffling how some defend him to the hilt, the guy is a massive problem for the country and if he was at any other party than Labour they wouldn't be so kind.
That being said, I'd take him and definitely Labour in charge over the evil cnuts in power now, so there's that. As hard as it is to take any of them seriously right now, and as awful as they all are, the tick has to go to Labour where I am.
True, but if you have such strong statements why not just answer?
Oh fair enough. Come in, call people who vote for a party anti-semites and then hide your views. That’s a really mature, well rounded thing to do.
This is just another pro-tactical voting argument, albeit a snarky one. I've already said I don't think you should vote tactially wherever possible. If you want to disagree with that, id be interested to hear why.
I can't stand the man either, I think he's a fraud and he's destroying the Labour party and harming the country.
But it's Labour I have to vote for. Not that they will win, and I don't even think they want to.
With this election it's really quite simple isn't it? Unless you want the Tories to win you NEED to vote Labour. In England anyway. Mon the Tartan Tories* also known as the SNP.
*Coined by none other than Gordon Brown when he bumped into my dad who was campaigning for the SNP in the 70s and was told, and I quote, "feck off you Tartan fecking Tory" told that story a few times
*Coined by none other than Gordon Brown when he bumped into my dad who was campaigning for the SNP in the 70s and was told, and I quote, "feck off you Tartan fecking Tory" told that story a few times
Unless you live in a safe seat.
Edit: or a Lib Dem / Tory marginal too for that matter.
You yourself said you did, you had a vague worry about their execution.
This is gonna be like that "What have the Romans ever done for us?" Thing in Life of Brian isn't it?
I was trying to be polite. I actually think they’ll completely feck it up.
imagine complaining about people being rude when you are deliberately wasting everyone's time.
edit - still doesn't add up. you supposedly still agree with their policies.
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Will be interesting to see how these go. I'd have thought Johnson would have avoided any kind of head on debate like this. Corbyn is hardly to be feared in this field but he is more competent than people assume and Johnson may suffer because a lot of people possess a rather inflated perception of how good he is supposed to be at any kind of oratorical task. Anyone who has paid attention to PMQs will be aware that is actually far from the truth; indeed, I've been (pleasantly, I must add) surprised at just how shit he is.
Really? I think people generally know Johnson isn't as smart as some claim he is with all the act stuff.
What he will do though is reach his crowd and those floaters much better than Corbyn ever can. Sadly, that will be king over any actual real debate about policies.
If you look in the Current Events forum I’ve been struggling back and forth with Corbyn since he was elected but at the end of the day you have to look past him personally and look at the bigger picture. It’s hard left Corbyn with a PLP to keep him in check or the alternative the recently purged of moderates hard right Conservatives with Boris on the loose. It’s a no brainer.
Is this her?
Yes.An excellent summary of that discourse. You succinctly explain how impossibly ridiculous a position that is to take. Imagine letting the tories in for another term just so you can feel a bit better about the opposition. FFS.
To quote my old RE teacher: "Exactamundo".
What would Jo Swimeson actually do for shitty britain if she won and kept uk in the eu?
What, why? Because I said Labour “didn’t have it in them” to implement their policies rather than some hyperbolic alternative?
Because if they fail to implement their policies then it’s hard to be swayed by what they are.
For a bluster-filled rabble-rousing speech, he’s ok.
A live debate, where there’s a chance you might have to actually think on your feet, is a totally different kettle of fish
Precisely. It is an choice between imperfect leaders, as always. The trouble is, it's the only way to get Boris out. People saying they don't think Corbyn would be a good leader, that he might be incompetent, that the Labour Party has moved from the centre ground too much. That may or may not be true. It is certainly, demonstrably true of the blond buffoon though, so why would people risk another 5 years of him in charge of a government that has also moved as far from centre as it ever has into a hard-line right wing, no deal brexit party, having purged its more moderate MPs because they disagreed with their own party's new line?
The tories are dangerous and incompetent. Labour would be the same just in a different way. You also have to take into account the shitshow that likely comes with a government and labour under Corbyn would be a shitshow. Best to hope for is a hung parliament with a strong moderating element.
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