Is there any other way?
UAP - Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon
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Yes relatively speaking we've not used science to search for answers about the universe for all that long (mostly thanks to religion and its love of murdering anyone who doesn't believe what they do). But what does that have to do with trusting science?
To answer your question, I think something radical has to happen for us to radically change our perception of the world. Like we're living in a simulation type of radical.
You are so right in that it's an ever evolving process. I feel so humbled as a human just trying to understand it all, I feel proud of how far we've come but open to new discoveries.
Science is the best tool we have. It has no bias. It's the pure mechanism to try and make sense of the universe we live in. I made fun of someone about ufos but I felt bad, because I want to believe so much that were not alone....
No I don't. Sorry if this is really boring but I find it fanciful.
As I have mentioned before, even our closest stars are many light years away. And so for aliens to travel to earth would be a significant undertaking.
So why would they come all that way with out a very good reason.
And even if this was the case, it would happen maybe once or twice. But not as often as is claimed.
How about you mate.
You make a very good point although I do think that we have made very significant steps in our understanding of the universe. At least the visible universe.
And I also think that we have a robust understanding of many of its laws which seem universal.
These of course are excepting of both dark energy and matter.
But where we have made almost no progress is on the propulsion side where our very best rockets date from WW2 technology.
In order to be able to go beyond our solar system, we need to go very much faster than currently.
When we do develop slightly more advanced space travel technology do you not think we'll send hundreds of AI probes out into the galaxy? I do and it's why I think the reverse is possible.
Even artificially triggered hibernation/cryogenic is something likely other species may have resolved. With that technology the distance becomes much less of an issue.
It really isn't a yes or no question it's a percentage of probability. I doubt anyone would truly put 0% on it. We're all just arguing fractions of unlikelihood surely.
Sort of relevant given some of the discussions.
The Search for Extraterrestrial Life as We Don’t Know It
Scientists are abandoning conventional thinking to search for extraterrestrial creatures that bear little resemblance to Earthlings
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-search-for-extraterrestrial-life-as-we-dont-know-it/
The Search for Extraterrestrial Life as We Don’t Know It
Scientists are abandoning conventional thinking to search for extraterrestrial creatures that bear little resemblance to Earthlings
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-search-for-extraterrestrial-life-as-we-dont-know-it/
Fully accept all of this.
And I do agree that I am basing my views on current thinking.
But. And this is a big but for me.
To be able to travel beyond our solar system is one thing.
But to be able to travel many tens or even hundreds of light years is another, even at a fraction of the speed of light.
Yes it may be possible and therefore it may be possible for aliens to do the same.
But why come all that way without making contact with us. This is my point.
I am reminded of something I read a few years ago. It was about how life could evolve. It is believed that single cell microbial life such as bacteria could well proliferate given the right conditions.
But even if a single cell consumed another single cell, it would still be a single cell.
To become a multi cell, it would need to both consume another single cell and then change its function such that it becomes 2 separate cells both different from previous function.
And that requires a very significant step in the evolution of the single cell which may not happen naturally.
But even if a single cell consumed another single cell, it would still be a single cell.
To become a multi cell, it would need to both consume another single cell and then change its function such that it becomes 2 separate cells both different from previous function.
And that requires a very significant step in the evolution of the single cell which may not happen naturally.
I suppose we always look at it through the lens of an official and targetted alien exploration but we really have no clue so it's hard to unpick motive. They may be passing through, they may be searching for habitable planets, they may be monitoring, or we could just be a tourist attraction for rich maveriks. There could be millions/billions of ships all with dead crew just being driven around the galaxy on auto-pilot
My random guess at my own perception of how probable it is is only around 0.01% if that. I just think it's not insurmountable and the motive/possibilities are there.
Very good reasoning which I can not fault.
Apart from one thing. This presupposes that life is not only abundant. But intelligent life is also. And maybe you are right but I am far less sure.
Yea not a believer either. Wish that day would come but feel life is to fleeting and the distances are such that we may never find out if we're not alone.
There was talk of a solar sail powered small probe being sent to proxima b or alpha centauri a few years back.
The prime directive!
Genetic engineering?
Possibly. Who knows.
Unless the entire universe is a simulation and none of this is real, a single cell organism has to have combined with another single cell organism naturally to have made life at some point even if your root argument is that didn’t happen on Earth.
And then if this IS a simulation, the idea came from somewhere so at some point in whatever universe, in history, a single cell organism has combined with another single cell organism to create complex life.
No. I was not trying to say that it didn't happen here on earth naturally although I can see that was what it looked like. So apology for that.
But what I was meaning to say was that it does not necessarily have to happen because it requires a significant hurdle for that single cell organism to overcome. It was said in what I read was that this would be one of the most significant hurdles for the evolution of life. Even more significant hurdle than the rise of mammalian life.
Good example of pilots and other experts being mistaken about what they're seeing:
Everything about this is getting a bit insane. The whole phenomena went from some ridiculous conspiracy in the fringes to a supercharged multi decade off the books and illegal SAP that a majority of very high access individuals in the US are taking very seriously.
Not to mention the reputation hit US diplomacy would take if they went out there and asked for proof of non-human intelligence with no basis.
- On BBC radio Grusch claimed that 40 people with first hand experience in a reverse engineering program has testified to the Inspector General of intelligence
- High ranking senators/congressmembers and IG have confirmed that they have heard from numerous witnesses.
- Congressmembers are publicly calling out defense contractors for hiding things from them,
- The Senate unanimously passed a bill, that among other UAP related points, demanded defense contractors hand over recovered UAP/ufos/alien crafts.
- A former rear admiral, among others, vouched for Grusch and his claims in a piece on the hill.
- The senate has sent a request to the white house for the secretary of state to contact foreign governments about disclosing information about UAPs and non-human intelligence.
Not to mention the reputation hit US diplomacy would take if they went out there and asked for proof of non-human intelligence with no basis.
Anybody following the news coming out of Mexico overnight? It’s fecking nuts.
They’re literally presenting alien mummies on stage and have apparently released info on their dna…wtf is going on. This is inside Mexican congress by the way
They’re literally presenting alien mummies on stage and have apparently released info on their dna…wtf is going on. This is inside Mexican congress by the way
He's not a scientist, he's a 'journalist, TV personality and ufologist' and has previously discovered the remains of "aliens" in Peru in 2017. Turned out to be a human child. Colour me sceptical.
Let’s see I’m sceptical but they’ve just released dna information and X-rays of the bodies etc it will be one if the greatest hoax’s of all time if this turns out to be bullshit
when you've nutted but she keeps sucking
The /r/aliens thread about it is at the top of the front page of Reddit. There's an unbelievable amount of people who desperately want to believe, and who work themselves up to a frenzy every time the new piece of non-evidence evidence comes out.
Same mummies, debunked two years.
Thats fair. But you think this isn’t worth discussing? It’s in Mexican congress and they’ve released dna samples and X-rays and are welcoming others to study the bodies
I’m sceptical but if this is a hoax it will go down as one of the best ever and if it’s not a hoax we’re looking at one of the biggest reveals in history.
Id like to note that NASA has a conference on Thursday regarding UAP’s which doesn’t seem coincidental.
You should really have a read of that thread, these were debunked years ago, it's not new.
As some people have said, it's mostly been debunked already. There are also known liars in that crowd, so the results of any DNA test can't really be trusted unless it can be independently verified. Even then it's got some huge issues, since DNA absolutely will deteriorate after thousands of years frozen. Or the fact that something not originating on Earth wouldn't have DNA to begin with, and certainly not share 30% of it with humans.
It's worth discussing in the sense that it can be made fun of, and debunked, but as far as it possibly being genuine... not really. It's just not convincing or believable.
The most dubious thing of all is that an alien being that could take on virtually any form possible just so happens to look like fecking ET. They could have been a bit more creative.
Debunked by who? a YouTuber? It seems those debunking have little to no authenticity themselves and haven’t had access to the ’bodies’. They said in the conference that the bodies had been given to multiple universities in Mexico and all results come back conclusive that nothing matches the dna and they’ve released those findings along with X-rays
Again the topic is taboo as feck and we 100% need more proof, I’m a sceptic but they’re inviting scientists to do studies so I’ll keep an open mind
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The Youtuber is just presenting the findings from people that have studied this, the experts came to the conclusion that they were an amalgamation of human and animal bones.
This is from 2017, do you not think if they were real we would have known about it by now?