UAP - Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon

Red_toad said:
Actually looked into it, and bullets don't work on them, due to air pressure etc, so would very slowly leak and drop down at a much much later point in time. So expensive missile every time and the balloons that go above where the F22 operates, they'll have to come up with a method.
Seems the US have been sending balloons over China (latest news) so it's tit for tat crap that's been going on for ages and not been news worthy.
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Regarding the F22 wasn’t it the greatest 5th gen built but got cancelled due to being unsuitable to modern warfare? Now it’s found a role, I wonder if funding will restart.
 
AlPistacho said:
Regarding the F22 wasn’t it the greatest 5th gen built but got cancelled due to being unsuitable to modern warfare? Now it’s found a role, I wonder if funding will restart.
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It was cancelled for being too expensive (3-4 times more expensive than F35). It is though by far the best aircraft.
 
Red_toad said:
Seems the US have been sending balloons over China (latest news) so it's tit for tat crap that's been going on for ages and not been news worthy.
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My guess is that the whole thing has always happened, only now the Chinese were so "unclever" that they sent a huge balloon over populated areas where everyone could see it. The Americans had to react accordingly.
 
AlPistacho said:
Regarding the F22 wasn’t it the greatest 5th gen built but got cancelled due to being unsuitable to modern warfare? Now it’s found a role, I wonder if funding will restart.
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It had no enemy. It was conceived in the Cold War but by the time it was being funded and built we were fighting the Taliban. No need for an ultra expensive stealth fighter there, but now Russia is being bad again and China is joining them they are in short supply.

They can't restart production now, it's too late.
 
11101 said:
It had no enemy. It was conceived in the Cold War but by the time it was being funded and built we were fighting the Taliban. No need for an ultra expensive stealth fighter there, but now Russia is being bad again and China is joining them they are in short supply.

They can't restart production now, it's too late.
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Your a fool a fool if you think there isn’t an alternative
 
TheLiverBird said:
Your a fool a fool if you think there isn’t an alternative
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Alternative to what? They're well underway with the F22s planned replacement. No chance they restart building it now, logistically and economically all but impossible.
 
11101 said:
Alternative to what? They're well underway with the F22s planned replacement. No chance they restart building it now, logistically and economically all but impossible.
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It can be done, but it does not make sense to restart the program. Better to just wait for the 6th generation aircrafts which should be better than F22. Until then, the US still have 200 F22 which by itself should be able to dominate any other country in an event of a war. And around 900 F35 which are better than anything any other country can throw. Plus thousands of F15/F16 which while old are still very capable fighters.

Thing is, even without new F22, the US Air Force is by far the most powerful Air Force in the world. With the second strongest Air Force in the World being US Navy.
 
Revan said:
It can be done, but it does not make sense to restart the program. Better to just wait for the 6th generation aircrafts which should be better than F22. Until then, the US still have 200 F22 which by itself should be able to dominate any other country in an event of a war. And around 900 F35 which are better than anything any other country can throw. Plus thousands of F15/F16 which while old are still very capable fighters.

Thing is, even without new F22, the US Air Force is by far the most powerful Air Force in the world. With the second strongest Air Force in the World being US Navy.
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Much of the expertise and tooling has gone or been repurposed from the supply line. The USAF estimated a second tranche of planes would cost even more than the original batch, and would not arrive until 2030 i.e when the 6th gen replacement is scheduled to arrive.

Even in the event of a war they wouldn't restart. They would speed up the NGAD program.
 
11101 said:
Much of the expertise and tooling has gone or been repurposed from the supply line. The USAF estimated a second tranche of planes would cost even more than the original batch, and would not arrive until 2030 i.e when the 6th gen replacement is scheduled to arrive.

Even in the event of a war they wouldn't restart. They would speed up the NGAD program.
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Exactly. It is just not practical to restart the program, especially when the 6th gen is probably just a decade away. And as I mentioned, right now their fleet is far better than that of anyone else (or the rest of the world combined).

Also, from what we have seen in the war in Ukraine, Russia's aircrafts are a joke and they are unable of complicated air operations. Probably the US doesn't even need their fifth gen aircrafts against Russia. China is probably better, but kind of unknown, and still they do not have anything as capable as F35, let alone F22.
 
Revan said:
Exactly. It is just not practical to restart the program, especially when the 6th gen is probably just a decade away. And as I mentioned, right now their fleet is far better than that of anyone else (or the rest of the world combined).

Also, from what we have seen in the war in Ukraine, Russia's aircrafts are a joke and they are unable of complicated air operations. Probably the US doesn't even need their fifth gen aircrafts against Russia. China is probably better, but kind of unknown, and still they do not have anything as capable as F35, let alone F22.
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It is true , they can really dispose the Russian AF only with upgraded 4 gen platforms combined with the awacs support, but it would be much quicker and cleaner if they use f 35 to kick the door in regarding the mobile ground radars. Everyone knew it wouldn't really much of a contest but the ineptitude shown by the Russian AF makes me think that the likes of Poland or Sweden can achieve the same outcome.
 
The Firestarter said:
It is true , they can really dispose the Russian AF only with upgraded 4 gen platforms combined with the awacs support, but it would be much quicker and cleaner if they use f 35 to kick the door in regarding the mobile ground radars. Everyone knew it wouldn't really much of a contest but the ineptitude shown by the Russian AF makes me think that the likes of Poland or Sweden can achieve the same outcome.
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Yep, Russia clearly does not posses capabilities of doing complicated air operations. Ukraine essentially had a shit air force, and Ukraine's sky are still contested, despite that they share a border. Imagine the US instead of Russia, the US would have achieved air dominance in the first week, even if for some reasons decided to use only 4th generation aircrafts (although, current F15/F16 are more 4++ generation).
 
Revan said:
Exactly. It is just not practical to restart the program, especially when the 6th gen is probably just a decade away. And as I mentioned, right now their fleet is far better than that of anyone else (or the rest of the world combined).

Also, from what we have seen in the war in Ukraine, Russia's aircrafts are a joke and they are unable of complicated air operations. Probably the US doesn't even need their fifth gen aircrafts against Russia. China is probably better, but kind of unknown, and still they do not have anything as capable as F35, let alone F22.
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The current version of China has never fought in a war. They surely cant be as bad as Russia but there is no replacement for combat experience. Even if most of it recently has been in a desert environment, the US and Europe still have plenty.
 
Wonder if the USAF will be turning up at the Bristol International Balloon Fiesta for some unofficial target practice?
 
utdalltheway said:
:lol: if true. typical yank over responding. those feckin eejits will never learn.
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Videogame-esque levels of ridiculousness. A high tech jet shooting missiles at harmless research projects is not a good look - but oh so American.
 
WPMUFC said:
Finally you also start having government/officials shoot down anything.... university weather tracking etc because hysteria takes over. Everything becomes "a potential adversary" the political calculation comes in that if you don't shoot it down, the press will eat you alive.
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God they are so predictable.
 
Shoddy coverup attempt by the US as usual. The "Northern Illinois Bottlecap Balloon Brigade" seriously? Nobody is going to believe that's a thing.
 
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Didn't see this posted here but it is an interesting piece

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/03/ufo-crash-materials-intelligence-00100077

Since AARO was established, I have referred four witnesses to them who claim to have knowledge of a secret U.S. government program involving the analysis and exploitation of materials recovered from off-world craft. Other sources who, rightly or wrongly do not trust AARO’s leadership, have also contacted me with additional details and information about an alleged secret U.S. government reverse engineering program. Some have supplied information to the intelligence community’s inspector general, others directly to staff of the congressional oversight committees.
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Mb194dc said:
Cetaceans started evolving about 50 million years ago, that is a long time to develop far beyond what we have in the last 250k years or so. We know something has probably messed around with the DNA of sperm whales 30k years ago, they all share a common eve ancestor from that time from genetic studies of them. That would seem to be impossible to have happened naturally. Sperm whales (and Orcas, possibly other cetaceans too) almost certainly have a language of some kind that people are trying to figure out.

As ridiculous as it sounds, that is the most logical explanation as I see it. Or it could be a civilisation from elsewhere that has a multi million year evolutionary advantage on us. Solution to the fermi paradox. It's not something to worry about, if a civilisation that is 50m+ years old wanted to wipe us out they likely would have already and we wouldn't be able to do anything anyway.
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Some big statements thrown out in this interview, worth a watch to those interested:

 
luke511 said:
Some big statements thrown out in this interview, worth a watch to those interested:

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He's completely cuckoo or grifting. Trump level self importance and arrogance about him too.

Eyes are quite close together. Probably one of those Lizard people.
 
Mb194dc said:
Probably a super advanced sea based civilisation that evolved millions of years before us. Maybe they watch us but aren't interested in making contact because we're too aggressive and primitive... Possible they're down there somewhere but don't want us to find them. Or maybe even left the planet and went elsewhere.

Cetaceans started evolving about 50 million years ago, that is a long time to develop far beyond what we have in the last 250k years or so. We know something has probably messed around with the DNA of sperm whales 30k years ago, they all share a common eve ancestor from that time from genetic studies of them. That would seem to be impossible to have happened naturally. Sperm whales (and Orcas, possibly other cetaceans too) almost certainly have a language of some kind that people are trying to figure out.

As ridiculous as it sounds, that is the most logical explanation as I see it. Or it could be a civilisation from elsewhere that has a multi million year evolutionary advantage on us. Solution to the fermi paradox. It's not something to worry about, if a civilisation that is 50m+ years old wanted to wipe us out they likely would have already and we wouldn't be able to do anything anyway.
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Bert_ said:
He's completely cuckoo or grifting. Trump level self importance and arrogance about him too.

Eyes are quite close together. Probably one of those Lizard people.
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I'm not sure, he's a highly successful academic who is discussing the scientific side of it more so than anyone else. I guess when someone speaks up as openly as him it's natural to question the motive.
 
luke511 said:
I'm not sure, he's a highly successful academic who is discussing the scientific side of it more so than anyone else. I guess when someone speaks up as openly as him it's natural to question the motive.
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His field is biology from my very limited look into him. Not sure how that relates to having any sort of authority on UFOs etc. Anyone that says they are "100% certain" in anything under the cover of being an academic should set off an alarm.
 
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