UAP - Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon

I saw that - but thought it may have been them trying to deflect from suspicion that these are theirs.
Yeah that’s what I think. No video footage or anything, even if over waters you’d think someone from a fishing vessel would have filmed it.
 
Like a scene out of Independence Day
The funny thing is. I can imagine aliens doing the Independence Day thing over the world’s major cities, and the British government taking office to the fact that there isn’t a spacecraft over London.
 
Coming out and saying no evidence it's aliens is pretty exciting!
 
So are we going to see one shot down every day for the foreseeable future?
 
If US Intelligence is publicly briefing about this, is there any chance we will get some sort of closure on it from them once they have found and analysed them?
 
If US Intelligence is publicly briefing about this, is there any chance we will get some sort of closure on it from them once they have found and analysed them?
I'm a full believer in UAP as an extraterrestrial phenomenon, also a full believer in their picking up by the news cycle as a handy distraction so no I don't think we'll be learning shit that we didnt know
 
It's amazing how some just try and fill in blanks with the most random shit.

Countries are spying on each other all the time with unmanned vehicles/drones/balloons etc. The reason for the vagueness after the first one is simply down to diplomacy. You don't just start flinging accusations and threats....or reveal radar/tracking capabilities just for the fun of it. The first one was being filmed by everyday folks over heartland USA. There was an obvious need to explain exactly what was going on. Now it's all cloak and daggers, the announcement of the shoot downs are the diplomatic way of telling china (or another country) "stop doing this shit, we will now shoot them all down".

Finally you also start having government/officials shoot down anything.... university weather tracking etc because hysteria takes over. Everything becomes "a potential adversary" the political calculation comes in that if you don't shoot it down, the press will eat you alive.

Why people want to go from international espionage to "aliens" is beyond me.
 
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I'm a full believer in UAP as an extraterrestrial phenomenon, also a full believer in their picking up by the news cycle as a handy distraction so no I don't think we'll be learning shit that we didnt know
Yep.
 
It's amazing how some just try and fill in blanks with the most random shit.

Countries are spying on each other all the time with unmanned vehicles/drones/balloons etc. The reason for the vagueness after the first one is simply down to diplomacy. You don't just start flinging accusations and threats....or reveal radar/tracking capabilities just for the fun of it. The first one was being filmed by everyday folks over heartland USA. There was an obvious need to explain exactly what was going on. Now it's all cloak and daggers, the announcement of the shoot downs are the diplomatic way of telling china (or another country) "stop doing this shit, we will now shoot them all down".

Finally you also start having government/officials shoot down anything.... university weather tracking etc because hysteria takes over. Everything becomes "a potential adversary" the political calculation comes in that if you don't shoot it down, the press will eat you alive.

Why people want to go from international espionage to "aliens" is beyond me.

My question is why would they use balloons to spy when satellites can do the job? And more diplomatically.
 
My question is why would they use balloons to spy when satellites can do the job? And more diplomatically.

I think that is part of the debate and confusion - why would China use balloons when it is believed they already have a pretty extensive set of satellites and what new information could they actually gain through the use of balloons?

But balloons are much cheaper, more flexible in terms of flight path, and I also think balloons can provide more sustained coverage of specific targets. For example, I believe the balloon shot down off the coast of North Carolina flew over a number of sites that house American nuclear weapons, including silos and important air bases.

Also, I've heard people speculate that the balloons and other objects are being used not only to spy but also to test American/NORAD response times and radar capabilities.
 
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My question is why would they use balloons to spy when satellites can do the job? And more diplomatically.

Different capabilities, different objectives. Satellites have their role. It's why you'll see reports about Chinese intelligence ships straying close to Australian waters, parking SIGINT ships inside friendly ports and trying spy on South Asian governments. All these are SIGINT programs, it's just the objectives are different.
 
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My question is why would they use balloons to spy when satellites can do the job? And more diplomatically.

A few reasons.

Chinese satellites aren't great, supposedly whilst US ones are looking at what kind of bug is squashed on your car's licence plate, Chinese satellites have only recently been able to read them at all. Satellites also have limitations and different skillets versus aircraft and balloons.

Secondly these small and unusually shaped objects will tell them how sensitive US radar systems are.
 
45,000 feet yeah only just though.

Can't fire its gun at that altitude though.


Anybody seriously suggesting these are aliens needs to get out more.

An alien craft that flies billions of miles and defies physics only to get shot down like a sitting duck by the intergalactic equivalent of a children's catapult.
 
anyone else started filling their houses with balloons so that when the balloon aliens get here they will be tricked into thinking that you’re already under their control and leave you alone?
 
Wow. Not bad. But it is not really a specialised fighter.

yeah and you definitely need a highly specialised fighter when it comes to things like weather balloons and hexagons covered in string.
 
The funny thing is. I can imagine aliens doing the Independence Day thing over the world’s major cities, and the British government taking office to the fact that there isn’t a spacecraft over London.
Be seen as a brexit benefit.
 
Anybody seriously suggesting these are aliens needs to get out more.
Alternative is it’s a diversion tactic from Seymour Hersh revealing that the USA blew up the Nordstream pipeline. Obviously Aliens are a more likely thing.
 
yeah and you definitely need a highly specialised fighter when it comes to things like weather balloons and hexagons covered in string.

You know very well what I was saying. But just incase you didn't I was of course referring to the altitude which fighter jets as opposed to ground attack jets operate at. I trust that is clear....
 
You know very well what I was saying. But just incase you didn't I was of course referring to the altitude which fighter jets as opposed to ground attack jets operate at. I trust that is clear....

you were saying you being hand guns to children’s parties for when the balloons make an appearance.
 
Can the A10 actually get to that height?
Actually looked into it, and bullets don't work on them, due to air pressure etc, so would very slowly leak and drop down at a much much later point in time. So expensive missile every time and the balloons that go above where the F22 operates, they'll have to come up with a method.
Seems the US have been sending balloons over China (latest news) so it's tit for tat crap that's been going on for ages and not been news worthy.