U18s Manchester Derby

Williams was quite soft in that City goal, should've been able to clear the ball.
 
I'm not impressed by our defending at all. Of course there's a lot of talent in that City attack but both their goals could've been prevented.
 
Tbf, we tend to try to walk the ball in and City have more direct players than we do. That has been the difference today
 
they just can't defend but who cares as long as they enjoy expressing themselves going forward
 
Agreed, our No. 3 was poor, but to be fair City's player was good, No. 15 I think. For me Bohui, Buffonge, Warren, and Gomes stood out for me. Their striker and Sancho were great too.
So good you named him twice? Tbh, he's that good
 
Lol I missed the first half and team sheet so was hard to know. Who scored their goals? Whoever it was that scored their first looked very good, hit the woodwork too. 2-2 was probably a fair result, but didn't like seeing us hanging on at the end as if we were the away side.
 
O'Connor was quite clearly injured and had to pull out of the tackle for the 2nd goal rather than being poor. Clever from Sancho to notice and take advantage of it
 
O'Connor was quite clearly injured and had to pull out of the tackle for the 2nd goal rather than being poor. Clever from Sancho to notice and take advantage of it

Exactly, and I think O’Connor had a good 1st half on the left. Gomes for me had one of his quietest games, Bohui had a strong 2nd half. Buffonge motm for me.
 
Exactly, and I think O’Connor had a good 1st half on the left. Gomes for me had one of his quietest games, Bohui had a strong 2nd half. Buffonge motm for me.
Yeah Buffonge was very good. I thought Whelan was excellent as well
 
Personally, I haven't been impressed with either Chong or Burkhart, our two high profile signings, since they have joined.

Chong seems way behind the British kids technically to me, his close control isn't close to Gomes, Gribbin, Buffonge or Boonen. He is fast, but is more of a 'take a few big touches' kind of player as opposed to the others who can manipulate the ball with lots of little touches. It's early, but in English football, they are speed obsessed, and most full backs, if nothing else, will be able to run fast. Not sure he has enough, and same with Burkhart, who I'm not surprised to see has been replaced in the team of late.

Maybe the British talent is amongst the best now. Van Velzen came from Ajax recently and was rubbish. The likes of Sancho look far more gifted than Chong or other foreign imports I've seen lately.

Have to say I somewhat agree. The fact that Chong is much more hyped than Buffonge is evidently of how biased towards fancy foreign imports some fans are.
 
Have to say I somewhat agree. The fact that Chong is much more hyped than Buffonge is evidently of how biased towards fancy foreign imports some fans are.

Chong is 13 months younger and has moved to a new country. Give him some slack. We've seen enough of individual ability to know he is a talent.

He's a vertical player, so I think it's undesirable to compare him with Gomes, Gribbin, etc. A bit like comparing Bale with Silva. Different players.
 
Chong is 13 months younger and has moved to a new country. Give him some slack. We've seen enough of individual ability to know he is a talent.

He's a vertical player, so I think it's undesirable to compare him with Gomes, Gribbin, etc. A bit like comparing Bale with Silva. Different players.
I agree. I think Chong's already shown far more than Buffonge had in his first year under 18. I also wouldn't agree that there's any problems with his close control he's just a completely different type of player to the others who prefers to drive at teams with his pace but his close control and manipulation of the ball at pace are excellent.
 
Buffonge, Warren and Gribbin were very good today.

Disappointed with Chong, Williams and Gomes as they did not play to their usual level today.

Some excellent talents in this team though, the best group since Pogba, Morrison, Lingard, Fryers, Johnstone and the great Tunnicliffe :drool:.
 
Chong is 13 months younger and has moved to a new country. Give him some slack. We've seen enough of individual ability to know he is a talent.

He's a vertical player, so I think it's undesirable to compare him with Gomes, Gribbin, etc. A bit like comparing Bale with Silva. Different players.

I agree. I think Chong's already shown far more than Buffonge had in his first year under 18. I also wouldn't agree that there's any problems with his close control he's just a completely different type of player to the others who prefers to drive at teams with his pace but his close control and manipulation of the ball at pace are excellent.

I'm not writing him off at all, it more giving my initial observations, as with Burkhart.

I did think Gareth Bale a bit when watching him, and although it's worked out well for Bale, I still think a potential top young wide player should show a different skill set at this age. Bale himself was considered a full back, as he could run up and down, it didn't really have the top natural ability. I could also compare what I've seen of Chong so far to Saidy Janko.

Hopefully once he settles more, I'll be proven wrong, although I'm not convinced you can simply say 'he's just moved to a new country' as an explanation for me thinking he doesn't have great close control. I watched Sterling in his academy days as an example, he obviously wasn't just someone who can run fast. He has great ball manipulation, whereas Chong appears to need far more space. I reckon he can be devastating in some open games, it may need more in tighter matches.

Anyway, long way to go.
 
I'm not writing him off at all, it more giving my initial observations, as with Burkhart.

I did think Gareth Bale a bit when watching him, and although it's worked out well for Bale, I still think a potential top young wide player should show a different skill set at this age. Bale himself was considered a full back, as he could run up and down, it didn't really have the top natural ability. I could also compare what I've seen of Chong so far to Saidy Janko.

Hopefully once he settles more, I'll be proven wrong, although I'm not convinced you can simply say 'he's just moved to a new country' as an explanation for me thinking he doesn't have great close control. I watched Sterling in his academy days as an example, he obviously wasn't just someone who can run fast. He has great ball manipulation, whereas Chong appears to need far more space. I reckon he can be devastating in some open games, it may need more in tighter matches.

Anyway, long way to go.

You're wide of the mark here mate, sorry.
 
I'm not writing him off at all, it more giving my initial observations, as with Burkhart.

I did think Gareth Bale a bit when watching him, and although it's worked out well for Bale, I still think a potential top young wide player should show a different skill set at this age. Bale himself was considered a full back, as he could run up and down, it didn't really have the top natural ability. I could also compare what I've seen of Chong so far to Saidy Janko.

Hopefully once he settles more, I'll be proven wrong, although I'm not convinced you can simply say 'he's just moved to a new country' as an explanation for me thinking he doesn't have great close control. I watched Sterling in his academy days as an example, he obviously wasn't just someone who can run fast. He has great ball manipulation, whereas Chong appears to need far more space. I reckon he can be devastating in some open games, it may need more in tighter matches.

Anyway, long way to go.
You could compare him to Janko but if you've actually watched both players play it wouldn't make any sense since they're nothing alike other than being fast. Of course Chong uses his pace but he has a lot more to his game than just pace and actually keeps the ball under control extremely well while at top speed whereas some of the other players you've mentioned often play a slower game so of course their touches will look more assured. You can see his ability in this video from the first game against City where he played more centrally and had no space to run into but still managed to have a positive impact on the game despite a poor team performance
 
One of the best abilities of Chong is the constant will to go forward with pace and especially the courage to take on his man all the time. With that comes mistakes and loss of possession, but it is such a valuable feature for a team. Today he worked hard and formed a good partnership with O’Connor in the first half. His final ball was a bit lacking, but that’ll happen every now and then for young players. During the 1st half we played a lot through our left side and Chong put pressure on their RB. The ”end product” could’ve been better today, but he had a decent game.
 
Well ultimately,we shall see. Hopefully I will have cause to change my opinion. I've just been a bit underwhelmed if I had to give an early assessment,although more so of Burkhart than Chong TBH.

I accept that the sample I have seen of him, especially at this stage in his development, is too small for any definitive assessment, but by my early impressions, he just seems a bit more 'messy' than Messi.
 
Penalty miss proved costly in the end but our defending really didn't help again...not the first time this season either.
 
Still unpredictable how some talents may develop. Could even work out that Buffonge or somebody else unexpected could make the grade and other with arguably more talent may not. You just don't know sometimes.

Sancho for City looks good. Hopefully Barcelona or Real snap him up and give them a taste of their own medicine.
 
Well ultimately,we shall see. Hopefully I will have cause to change my opinion. I've just been a bit underwhelmed if I had to give an early assessment,although more so of Burkhart than Chong TBH.

I accept that the sample I have seen of him, especially at this stage in his development, is too small for any definitive assessment, but by my early impressions, he just seems a bit more 'messy' than Messi.

I tend to agree. I'm not saying Chong isn't a talent or that he's not going to make it but I can see where you're coming from. I maybe expected more than I should have based on the hype but that's more on me than Chong possibly.

Whilst Gomes has (rightly) taken a lot of the plaudits and attention, i feel like Buffonge has flown a little bit under the radar. There is an extremely talented footballer there and I think he could be one of the ones that makes it. Whenever I see him, I'm always struck by how effective, for want of a better word, he is. He always seems to have an impact on the game and I think that is something to be valued in a player.