OK, but what if Moyes didn't feel that signing Cabaye would solve our midfield problems, but more ease them, in the sense that he'd have an impact, is, as you say 'better than what we currently have', and if we look to address this problem in the summer still, he'd still become an important squad player no?
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OK, but what if Moyes didn't feel that signing Cabaye would solve our midfield problems, but more ease them, in the sense that he'd have an impact, is, as you say 'better than what we currently have', and if we look to address this problem in the summer still, he'd still become an important squad player no?
If we could get him for £20 million or less I'd be all for it. He's better than Carrick currently and he's got another 4-5 years left at the top. If none of the top names are available now Cabaye is an excellent player to bring in. He's PL proven, he's better than what we have and he can play in the Champions League. He's more than good enough to play here, but he's not the end of the road on our journey to having an actual midfield. Not by any means.
I'd rather keep the 20 million and put it towards a better player in the summer. Especially since he is the sort that downs tools when he doesn't get his own way.
Yeah I don't want Cabaye. I'm not saying he wouldn't be an improvement on our squad but we've already got Fellaini, Carrick, Fletcher and Cleverley. If you're spending upwards of £20m then he's someone who's going to have to play regularly, and we will probably still be in the market for a marquee CM, and that's what we need. I think we're all in agreement that we need an absolutely world class midfielder, and I'd rather put the money towards that then end up with a large field of CM's.
We need dynamic centre midfielder NOW. The ones we want are not available, Cabaye is. I say we get him and worry about the others in the summer. People do forget our midfield options include Jones and Giggs.
But what's the point in overstocking? I don't think we should panic buy a CM, we already did that witb Fellaini. There's absolutely no point in paying £52m on fellaini and cabaye and then still need to spend another £30-40m on another CM in the summer imo.
I think with the arrival of Mata, and the reintroduction of RVP and Rooney to the team, we should habe enough firepower to see out the season. Worry about the CM position then.
If we hadnt gone for Fellaini in the summer, I'd agree. The "sign a decent CM because the ones we have are shite" ship sailed in the summer. Better to wait and go for top drawer in the summer.
Would Cabaye coming in greatly enhance United's hopes of playing in the champions league next season and make a significant difference in the number of points they get? Yes. Obviously. Without question. So there are no questions
Once we salvage our season and get back on track we can take stock of numbers of CMs and whether they'd get into Bayern's midfield. If Cleverley and Fletcher arent in our top few CMs at that point then so what? Why should they get special treatment at the expense of success for the club? Its similar to how we acted with O'Shea. He served the club well, played wherever we wanted, the club saw an oppertunity to sign a young defender with lots of promise in Jones and suddenly O'Shea's role was going to be very limited so off he goes. Thats just how a top club works, they keep the talent and competition rising and those who have found themselves low in the pecking order are expendable. Its up to those players to make sure its not them that the club are willing to let move on. Fletcher has done well just to get back playing football and if Cleverley hasn't bucked his ideas up and looked a quality midfielder by the summer he's had more than enough chances to do so.
Letting the midfield rot might have been okay when we had the best central defender in the world, wingers almost as good as the other top clubs in the world and strikers like Rooney and RVP playing every week at a level as high as any other striker in the world... But we've well and truly come to a point where carrying average central midfielders isnt good enough. Instead of it being the one area where we arent among the best, its now one of about 3 areas that need work
Once we salvage our season and get back on track we can take stock of numbers of CMs and whether they'd get into Bayern's midfield. If Cleverley and Fletcher arent in our top few CMs at that point then so what? Why should they get special treatment at the expense of success for the club? Its similar to how we acted with O'Shea. He served the club well, played wherever we wanted, the club saw an oppertunity to sign a young defender with lots of promise in Jones and suddenly O'Shea's role was going to be very limited so off he goes. Thats just how a top club works, they keep the talent and competition rising and those who have found themselves low in the pecking order are expendable. Its up to those players to make sure its not them that the club are willing to let move on. Fletcher has done well just to get back playing football and if Cleverley hasn't bucked his ideas up and looked a quality midfielder by the summer he's had more than enough chances to do so.
Letting the midfield rot might have been okay when we had the best central defender in the world, wingers almost as good as the other top clubs in the world and strikers like Rooney and RVP playing every week at a level as high as any other striker in the world... But we've well and truly come to a point where carrying average central midfielders isnt good enough. Instead of it being the one area where we arent among the best, its now one of about 3 areas that need work
Regarding Cabaye, my stance now is I would've wanted him in the summer. We went for Fellaini and we have to get him playing as well as possible until we splurge on an undoubted top class talent in the future.
I don't think we can afford to have Cabaye, Fellaini, Carrick, Fletcher and Cleverley as midfield options. There is very little selling potential should we need to change things up whilst no one at this point in time really stands out although we know if Carrick gets a clean break he will be the one who does the most and link up the best with the more dangerous forward players.
I wouldn't be completely against a player like Cabaye to come in and do a job like an Arteta, Gustavo, Keita or something to that effect, but because we lack that one outstanding talent I just don't think it makes sense. I'd much rather see us go for a more athletic player to add some bite and some legs to supplement the sitting style of the players we currently have...if we're going down the road of a stop gap.
I don't think we can afford to have Cabaye, Fellaini, Carrick, Fletcher and Cleverley as midfield options. There is very little selling potential should we need to change things up whilst no one at this point in time really stands out although we know if Carrick gets a clean break he will be the one who does the most and link up the best with the more dangerous forward players.
I wouldn't be completely against a player like Cabaye to come in and do a job like an Arteta, Gustavo, Keita or something to that effect, but because we lack that one outstanding talent I just don't think it makes sense. I'd much rather see us go for a more athletic player to add some bite and some legs to supplement the sitting style of the players we currently have...if we're going down the road of a stop gap.
I don't see how this is even a remotely relevant argument for us. Under the Glazer family, our transfers have rarely been about potential selling values, instead we have relied on other factors to bring in the money. Regarding the last paragraph, I see Fletcher as that particular player you are referring to.
With that said, I hope we look elsewhere for better midfielders.
If we were in a situation where we're stuck with Cabaye and Carrick and Fellaini and Fletcher and Cleverley and we were hunting for one or two more, what if we were stuck with 1 or 2 players who weren't wanted elsewhere and also not wanted here?
I get the feeling we'll leave central midfield until the summer. Stock piling a range of good players as opposed to quality players isn't our style either, we'd be doing just that if we signed Cabaye because whilst he offers improvement in the short term, he doesn't offer a great deal of long-term value which nine times out of ten IS an important factor here.
Exactly, Cabaye is a very well-rounded and accomplished midfielder with Premier League experience and would instantly enhance our defensive and offensive ability in midfield. For me, at a reasonable price, it's a no brainer.
We are so weak in the midfield department that despite having numbers there, we need two. Both don't necessary have to be of the highest quality and Cabaye is good enough to make a big enough impact that could be a catalyst - along with Mata - in us getting top four.
But I fear there is far too much leniency at the club and sentimentality could get in the way of us signing two midfielders superior to what we currently have. Cleverley's career has stagnated for nigh on 18 months and I personally don't expect him to progress much further, only psychologically with him playing with less 'fear'. Fletcher has returned from a debilitating illness and he will never return to the lung-busting box-to-box midfield role and will only start to naturally decline given his age.
This is where I agree regarding Cabaye and our midfield in general. I think this is a stumbling factor in our next midfield acquisition - value.
A young 22, 23, 24 year old who is lighting up their team wherever they are playing...you can justify a splurge, it's long-term. Rumour has it that Newcastle want £23m for Cabaye. Now whilst there is money to be spent, is Cabaye worth that kind of insane investment after already pissing away £27m of the club's money on Fellaini? Can we afford to wait to put a bit more on top and find someone who could provide more in the long-term, in the summer?
Well we would sell them cheap and move on. Berbatov Springs to mind.
Considering our options next season will be Powell, Carrick, Fletch and Fellaini; I'd personally perfer to wait until the Summer and buy a better player than bloody Cabaye. We need 1 absolute World Class midlfielder to add to those 4 and then we're sorted.
And what did you do with Cleverley?
Not wanting to sign central midfielders who are better than we have but arent Fabregas, Iniesta or Vidal is exactly why our midfield is so grim. Why would we suddenly be able to attract the top midfielders in the world when we couldnt before despite being a much more attractive club under Sir Alex
Burn him? Shoot him? Watch him be sub-standard for QPR?
Because Fergie didnt really go after them?
Post in twitter thread, quote to here if you want to add more.
I can see this thread being mainly quotes from the twitter thread. It'd work well in my opinion.
I say the same about Fletcher (sorry to say) and Fellaini. That leaves us with just Carrick who will be 33. Basically there is room for Cabaye and another.
How do we know that?
I could pose the exact same question to you: How do you know he did and failed?
I'm asking why we suddenly have more chance to sign the world's top central midfielders. I'm not saying we tried to sign them all and failed
You're telling me Sir Alex didnt really try to get them. Now prove it
Manchester United closing in on Porto midfielder Fernando according to Portuguese reports http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...nsfer-news-david-3066088#.UuZWKk1haaw.twitter
Because he was a great man manager. He could get the best out of his team, no matter who he had playing for him. Im pretty sure if he really wanted the likes of Vidal to play for us, he would have gone out of his way to try and get him. But you know other the odd link here and there, we werent actually in discussions to sign big name midfielders that often. Of course even the best fail at things. Im pretty sure we tried one or two here and there but they preferred the likes of Spain or Italy more. Hence they went there.
Guys, take the Cabaye discussion to his thread please. Yes this thread is for discussion but its become quite detailed now.
Probably because the signing of Mata, the noises coming out of the club, and the difficult situation we could find ourselves in indicates a need for the best. By all accounts, Moyes wants some of Europe's best players, starting with midfield.
Portuguese reports...
Well if its starting in midfield how come we signed a number 10. We made a big signing in Mata sure, but he was a cast off at Chelsea. We weren't taking Chelsea's most important player.
Every club needs the best in order to compete. We're further down the pecking order of trendy clubs likely to bring you silverware these days. We could offer a lot more before and it wasn't enough to convince the likes of Essien to choose us. But David Moyes and his 7th place Manchester United is going to do what Sir Alex couldnt and sign the best central midfielders in the world... Because...
I thought he was going to Liverpool, or am I thinking of someone else?
League positioning, Moyes and Sir Alex isn't all that relevant. What's more important is the transfer fees, wages and agent fees. Cough up the latter and players will flock to United. Under Sir Alex, that wasn't happening. The mythical £30m barrier was a product of our continued success under a man who could do such things. Moyes can't. In a weird way, our current exploits in mid table could benefit us long term, as it means that we'll finally pretend it's 2014, not 2004. Plus, Sir Alex's over reliance on dreaded experience damaged the midfield. With Giggs soon to be gone, Moyes has no such biases or blind spot.
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Apparently Benitez wants a Nani-Hamsik swap deal 
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/man...nitez-wants-united-swap-deal.php#.UuZdUhAcCM8
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/man...nitez-wants-united-swap-deal.php#.UuZdUhAcCM8
Why you guys laughing? I'd take that 
Why you guys laughing? I'd take that
because he must have gone mad (if true).
Ah I see
Is there a random transfer nonsense thread? or will here do ?
http://talksport.com/football/man-united-told-ps165m-will-land-villarreal-ace-14012777332
http://talksport.com/football/man-united-told-ps165m-will-land-villarreal-ace-14012777332
Apparently Benitez wants a Nani-Hamsik swap deal
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/man...nitez-wants-united-swap-deal.php#.UuZdUhAcCM8
Hamsik has looked very poor on every occasion I've seen him. Admittedly, that isn't all that much.
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