van Gaal it is so.
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Beat you to it @Redo91
Van Gaal for 3 years and then Giggs taking over seems perfect as an idea.
Would gladly have van Gaal here for three years with Giggs as his AM.
Fergie's pissed on his chips now. We're not listening to him again!
Much rather this scenario then Giggs right now as a manager. He will learn a lot about attacking football under Van Gaal.
Van Gaal + Giggs is good.
Ancelotti + Giggs would be better.
Ancelotti + Giggs would be better.
Why? Think back to the last major manager van Gaal took as his understudy...
Where is Ole's prospect in all of these? I always want one day Ole to be back at OT in some role..... But he maybe too big now to be assisting only. 2OlEgend
We shouldn't let SAF have any more input than a normal director over managerial choices. He's not exactly been prescient in his succession planning, has he? First thinking Sven/Martin O'Neill were a great idea, then Moyes. Don't want Giggs anywhere near the permanent manager position unless he proves himself elsewhere.
If Giggs is being primed to take over in 3 years, what will he do in the meantime? Be an assistant? That's a long time to be an assistant. Could work. Difficult to plan that way.
No job handouts. People should have to prove themselves a successful manager elsewhere in order to get a shot here, that's the way it's always worked in our history.
Last summer we were in the pretty unique position of having no one at the club who had made a managerial appointment. I suspect this failure has brought the need to be sure into sharp focus.
Wrong!
I will take Sir Alex's brain over anyone's at United to be honest. Everyone involved in football has an opinion and I know whose opinion I will value most if I were the Glazers. One mistake (through no fault of Sir Alex but the total fault of Moyes himself) does not make Sir Alex a mediocre football man suddenly.
Why was Phelan, Queiroz, Walter Smith and even McClaren mentioned for the job? All very good assistant managers for us but have they proved much elsewhere other than McClaren?
I would have no objections with Giggsy taking the job full time but only after he has gone out and done the years in the premier league to prove himself first.
The major reason for Moyes' failure was to rid of the back room staff. I am 100% certain we would have been up there racing for 4th if they (Rene and Phelan) were still around because they would be taking up coaching, when Moyes was taking time adapting to the United way. Plus if Moyes was a learner rather than trying to import his Evertonian way to us.
To be honest I think the fact this has been relayed through the brain of Eamonn Holmes should give us pause to think about what was actually likely said by Fergie. I'd imagine the plan is to get someone like Van Gaal in short term and then re-evaluate our options in a few years when there is more of a choice than at present. Guardiola will be coming to the end of his contract, as will Klopp, Ancelotti (unless he's been sacked) etc. Giggs will no doubt be an option, we won't be banking on it.
To be honest I think most of that is a load of old nonsense.
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Mixed emotions about Giggsy taking over after the reported 3 years. Will be a huge risk to appoint him, even if he absorbs all of the incumbent manager's experience and knowledge. Ideally he should take over another club after initially being assistant to the next manager. Spend some time there, pay his dues, develop the team and gain some experience being the main man at the highest level. Then if he has the right credentials he can put forth the CV and take over the United job on merit, rather than pardon me for this : being chosen. I'd love for it to work out, sounds great in a romantic kind of way : all time great goes on to be a successful manager at the club. Perfect ! What could be better than that ? But the odds of that happening are heavily stacked against his favour. For every Guardiola than went on to achieve great things, there are probably dozens of flops like Shearer or Souness. Lessons have to be learnt, it's imperative that we make a choice based on a deliberated process and not sentimentality.
Will probably just reword an article they've written already: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...news/david-moyes-sacked-glazer-family-7025912 telling us that the Glazers are in town tomorrow to discuss the targets they told us about a few days ago. Never trust when they tweet there's an update at X time that it will be anything useful.
Explain yourself, please
Well this has been done to death, but you're basing everything on supposition and things that the average fan on the street has no idea about i.e. the standard of the coaches. It's bog standard to bring in your own people. Most successful managers do it, as do most unsuccessful ones. Whether or not they are/were good enough is impossible to tell from the outside. All we can base it on are the results and they don't give us any insight. A coach could be doing great work and the manager might still make a balls of it. Likewise they could have been good coaches the players were resistant to change. Who knows? Plus it's been widely reported that Rene turned down the job, so what can you do?
True. I just rate Ancelotti more than Van Gaal generally really.
Still, I wonder what happens if we hire someone for three years and they turn out to be brilliant? Do we tell Giggs to get lost and find himself a new job so we can keep our new genius? Or do we do a Bayern and replace a successful manager.
Really we should just hire the best manager available and not worry so much about whether they're short term or long term.
I doubt these rumour were based on sentimentality. On one hand, its easy to say, 'Giggsy has to prove himself" but on the other hand, who can say for certain a foreigner, proven record will suit United in the long term? Are we another City, Chelsea, who buy their trophies, with no soul or history like ours?
United has been under Fergie for 27 years with extraordinary success. We will be dreaming if we are hoping to find another Sir Alex (if truth be told, it will never happen). But if Sir Alex and co are trying to keep the tradition and uniqueness of United as much as possible, you can't fault them by wanting someone in the long term who is not in the mode of those foreign managers who won't keep (be kept) a job for more than two three seasons.
But we don't know who spread these rumours do we? LOL
These "big reveals" always turn out to be massive disappointments.
Once bitten, twice shy for me with Fergie and his input on our future. He had one go with Moyes and it was an absolute disaster. Not meaning to be disrespectful but I'd rather he have a very minimal influence, or none at all, on the next pick.
This really. It's the biggest available job in world football and really there should be no room for sentiments. Shortlist the best candidates please.
He signed plenty of duff players, do you think it was a mistake to let him keep signing players?
Big difference between signing a bad player and picking a manager to lead the club for the foreseeable future.
There is absolutely no way Giggs is going to be ready in three years. Firstly he needs experience managing a club as a manager. He is probably going to be an assistant/coach here next year. When will he get the time to manage a club before taking over here. Fergie keeps making the same mistakes over and over again with these stupid managerial decisions.
Yep, just like SAF did. For some reason we forgot that when we were selecting his successor.
Just because SAF had a lot to do with Moyes getting the job doesn't mean he won't have anything to do with the next manager or with Moyes' sacking.
SAF thought Moyes would have flourished but instead he didn't. How do we know SAF didn't hold his hands up and say he was wrong and that he really doesn't think he is the right man for the job any more?
SAF thought Moyes would have flourished but instead he didn't. How do we know SAF didn't hold his hands up and say he was wrong and that he really doesn't think he is the right man for the job any more?
Because he has a massive ego. He has never admitted he was wrong before. Why start now?
Your argument is as baseless as mine to be honest. Saying that what I said in that post are old nonsense is disrespectful (just because they are different from yours does't make yours more credible).
Let me elaborate: we all base our opinions by objective observing and assess situation (opinions) through results and what have been going on (facts).
The United case is unique so we can't really compare to any managers' etiquette and preferences in the "usual" circumstances in other clubs. Most importantly, the idea of having Moyes is for him to adapt to our system and to learn the United way (which has already been proven successful in the past two decades). For Moyes to import his own men and methods (on top of not learning by borrowing experiences from United people) when none of them (Moyes and Round and Co) had never had the credentials to run a large club like us, must be very inconvenient in his transitioning process.
If Rene was wanted bad enough, I am sure he would have stayed. But it is all guess work of course.
He wouldn't in public. But to the rest of the board, why not?
I'd be more confident if he hadn't recommended people like Queiroz before that.
Y'know, sometimes I get the feeling SAF doesn't actually know what it was that made him such a great manager. He seems to favour the wrong sort of traits.
No thanks to Mourinho or Cavani.
He made one mistake and a second decision hasn't even been made yet.
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