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Great post that needed making.
Muppet vigilantes for you I'm afraid. This place is crawling with them. I suppose if we signed Sneijder or Nasri(my ideal capture for the record)they'll be seething and condemning SAF to transfer muppet status won't they?
Indeed.
Seems like the trendy thing to do on here at the minute - but no doubt every one of said vigilanties will be as pleased as anyone if we do sign a top player.
That isn't a fact though is it? We have the third largest turnover, significantly behind Barcelona and Real Madrid. It's actually possible that Bayern Munich overtook us in the Money (Revenue) League last season due to the Pound's continued depreciation against the Euro.
Inter Milan's latest accounts revealed a wage bill of c. £180m and an operating loss of c. £100m. As you know, United is actually run as a business and doesn't rely on a benefactor so we need to control costs (50% wages-turnover limit) as well as producing a significant operating profit.
We spent 46% of our turnover on wages in 2009/10. Bayern Munich spent 48%. Real Madrid 43%, Barcelona 67% and Inter Milan 104%.
great post
it seems to some people you are a 'top red' if you refuse to accept the fact we are weak in midfield
fergie has openly talked about bridging the gap between us and barca
the same Barca who've embarrassed us in the last 2 CL finals
the same Barca who on top of one of the best club sides i've ever seen have sought out two world class additions
the same Barca who've spent around 240 million net the last 5 years (inc fabregas)
wanting to improve our team is ambitious, hardly muppetry
We're going to hear this one a lot this season aren't we?
He talked about bridging the gap in terms of making a vast improvement in the development of our Academy players and made it clear that it would be a long term project that could only really start once the new PL Academy plans and regulations came into affect.
Think you'll see United implementing a "La Masia" type Academy going forward and developing our younger players that way.
Back on topic though, we are screaming out for a creative midfielder. I'll be disappointed if we do not bring somebody in of a world class calibre.
The above is enlightening and proves a valid point - that there are considerations over and above football which need to be factored into the transfer dealings and wages etc. I'm sure the vast majority of fans understand that.
Surely though, if the club wishes to continue its financial success and mining revenue streams worldwide success on the pitch must be maintained? Surely turnover and profits dip when the club doesn't win the league or do well in the CL - from merchandising as well as prize money? Indeed, you may lose a few potential lifelong fans in Asia or South America to the next succesful side.
As regards the club not having a "benefactor" thats obviously the case, but I suspect what sticks in the throat of the average fan is that the club is not being ran as a PLC anymore - but by people who have bought it to ultimately make a (potentially huge) profit - be it next year or in ten years, who themselves appeared to ignore and sensible business practices in taking huge loans out against the club in the first place.
Of course it is decidely more complex than that, but it s fair to say that had the club not been paying loan repayments, more funds would have been available to strengthen the squad - and that is key to the average fan who may not understand the ins and outs of it.
Ultimately i get pissed of when I see United making a song and dance about record turnover and profits but then being unable to compete for top players - because that simply says to me that those sums are being spent elsewhere, probably on debt repayments which will one day make the Glazers a massive profit when the evetually do bail out.
Forget about Barcelona, they are out of reach right now, but there were games last season against sides like Villa with two rookies in midfield that we struggled with. The need for the type of midfielder that can control a game with composure, creativity and intelligent use of the ball is very apparent. Yes Giggs did well in that role at the latter end of the season and Scholes before Christmas, but Scholes is gone and Giggs is nearly 38.
I personally believe the problem is that the options are limited, I think had Wenger not been so stubborn we'd have bought Nasri. Modric was clearly liked by Fergie but it appears he wants to remain in London. Which brings us to Sneijder and his huge wage demands....
This is all great and how it should be done IMO, however I think we should have cut loose a big wage earner to free up money to pay a top class midfielder and keep things balanced that way.
I personally believe the problem is that the options are limited, I think had Wenger not been so stubborn we'd have bought Nasri. Modric was clearly liked by Fergie but it appears he wants to remain in London. Which brings us to Sneijder and his huge wage demands....
This is all great and how it should be done IMO, however I think we should have cut loose a big wage earner to free up money to pay a top class midfielder and keep things balanced that way.
I can't understand this point of view. We don't have a divine right to be the best, but for us to stop even aspiring to be the best would be totally counterproductive. As soon as we start aiming lower, that's where we'll end up going.
It's not about not aspiring, it's about being realistic, we've been easily beaten by them twice in three years, we have done nothing to strenthen the area they are dominant in. Maybe in a few years we'll develop the players to compete in that area, but for now it's just not likely.
We could have said the same about Chelsea after Mourinho's first couple of seasons, and yet we still managed to drag ourselves back on terms with them. Maybe it isn't likely we'll catch them this season, but there's no way we should be just throwing the towel in.
I wouldn't compare Mourinho's Chelsea with a team many think is one of the best, if not the single best side ever. Like I say when we bother with midfield we may be able to turn the tide, but the same set have tried twice and been totally outmatched and it's likely if we meet them this season it will be with the same midfield they have torn up twice already.
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Sky Sports News Italia report that Paris Saint-Germain will sign Palermo's Javier Pastore tomorrow.
Pastore to PSG for 45 Million, its a done deal, according to Gazzetta Dello Sport aswell.
Why would he go to the French League?
Sky Sports News Italia report that Paris Saint-Germain will sign Palermo's Javier Pastore tomorrow.
Pastore to PSG for 45 Million, its a done deal, according to Gazzetta Dello Sport aswell.
Why would he go to the French League?
Money.
Transfer News Centra
Sky Sports News Italia report that Paris Saint-Germain will sign Palermo's Javier Pastore tomorrow.
Pastore to PSG for 45 Million, its a done deal, according to Gazzetta Dello Sport aswell.
Why would he go to the French League?
See the Eiffel Tower, The Louvre, Notre Dame, Moulin Rouge. Get away from mobsters?
Or the most rational explanation. Only team trying to buy him, they really really want him and he feels wanted. PSG aren't any worse than living amongst mobsters and playing for Palermo.
I think it was confirmed by Palermo's President and VicePresident that Chelsea were also after him.
You can't take anything Zamperini says seriously.
Also, I'd be intrigued to know what their revenue numbers are like and how they're going to justify this injection of cash with regards to FFP.
Also, I'd be intrigued to know what their revenue numbers are like and how they're going to justify this injection of cash with regards to FFP.
Malaga, PSG and City. Lots of small clubs with big signings.
Transfer News Centra
Sky Sports News Italia report that Paris Saint-Germain will sign Palermo's Javier Pastore tomorrow.
Pastore to PSG for 45 Million, its a done deal, according to Gazzetta Dello Sport aswell.
Why would he go to the French League?
Arab money.
I don't know where else to put this, but the Glazers NFL team just gave a 6 year, $19.5 million contract to a punter - which for those of you not familiar with American football is probably the least valuable position on the 53-man roster. The average salary is somewhere between $250,000-$800,000 / year depending on how long they've played. He'll make over $3,000,000 / year.
We're skint and not signing Sneijder so they can overpay for an accessory for their NFL team. Doom and gloom.
We're skint and not signing Sneijder so they can overpay for an accessory for their NFL team. Doom and gloom.
The Bucs are in great shape. Nothing to do with us though.
Bizarrely the Bucs fans are pissed off because the Glazers are spending so much money on us.
The Bucs need to up the amount they are playing due to the recent change in the salary floor no?
Salary floor? How does that work?
I suspect its not that simple.
His contract will almost certainly be more complex and the quoted will be a maximum sum he could earn dependant on the team, and his succes. I suspect his "guaranteed" sum is a lot less.
I'm so glad Howard Nurse has changed his picture so his giant annoying face looks even bigger. He's so pointless on there, tweeting 'news' that everyone heard hours ago like he's breaking it.
Agent Mario Miele: "On Ganso, it's PSG, then Milan and Man United. My impression is PSG will soon meet the buy-out clause."
Why would they get Ganso and Pastore? Are they not similar players in similar positions?
Would love to see him here though.
Would love to see him here though.
what has this got to do with Manchester United and their transfer budget?
Well clubs like PSG and City get some money and can't stop spending it.
what has the NFL got to do with Sneijder signing or not.
Do you really thin that what happens in the NFL affects who United do or dont buy
Sometimes the hate for Glazers on her is just stupid.
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With that sort of attitude we might as well not even try....the fact is as good as barcelona played against us, we played nothing like we can. I don't agree that we can't play better. Infact, we probably worry to much about them and our actual strength in two areas is a weakness. Our style, too many aimless balls. The second is our squad is so big that we're indecisive. Barcelona they just pick their best team, we don't. We try to counter them and so we have Berbatov, Nani etc not even playing.......you can't do that. So i disagree about 'lets be realistic'. It's not exactly fighting talk is it. You need to compete and I think everyone can locate the problem so let's fix it. It stands to reason though with such young players in the team, we'll only improve IF we go for it.
Guillem Balague
Mata's clause to sign player cheaper (20-23m euros) finished yesterday. Clubs agreed fee, player happy to go but money didnt arrive...
Arsenal will have to end up paying much more now
Mata's clause to sign player cheaper (20-23m euros) finished yesterday. Clubs agreed fee, player happy to go but money didnt arrive...
Arsenal will have to end up paying much more now
Isnt there an issue with spanish buy-out clauses? I'm sure I read it somewhere but it could be wrong. That the buy-out clause is basically for spanish clubs only, due to taxes etc if a bid comes from an overseas club, thus actually making the buy-out figure double for overseas clubs.
I think I saw this on twitter actually, about 2 months ago.
I think I saw this on twitter actually, about 2 months ago.
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