But they are apparently reliable for being correct in Guardiola to Bayern transfer.
It's like fortunetellers, if you make ten prediction, one of them surely comes to be true.
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But they are apparently reliable for being correct in Guardiola to Bayern transfer.
It's like fortunetellers, if you make ten prediction, one of them surely comes to be true.
How can Barca be in a position to add stipulations to a binding clause in a contract? This either has to be a load of bollocks or said clause is not as straightforward as people have made out
Apparently the release clause is only straight forward between 2 Spanish clubs.
A foreign club it is used only as a guideline. Unless thiago pays the money himself they don't actually have to sell I believe. of course if it got to that we would give him the money.
I suppose they are using this tax thing, as reason to blackmail the feck out of us into agreeing to a buyback clause.
I hope we either agree on a bit higher fee (20-23m) or give the money back to Barca and say feck you to them. And if they want him back after 3 years we should ask as a starting price for negotiations as low as 247 billions.
Yeah, Martinez payed the 40m euro to buy himself out. Isn't the issue doing that, related to income tax on the player?
So, we finally have them at our mercy.
That indy bugger went to sleep before updating us didnt he? "Update in less than half hour" - my ass!
I suspect he's been naughty and his mum has told him no computer or TV for the night. Moyes will be fuming, he was hoping to wrap things up before the weekend.
Give those arrogant bastards their buyback clause and simply refuse to uphold it, the way they have done to us. Tbh, part of me doesn't want to give the cnuts a penny and scrap the whole fecking thing. Bunch of slimy, dirty, underhanded bastards, they are.
If we do sign him, my ultimate dream will be for Thiago to score the winning goal that knocks them out of the champions league, feck them.
If we do sign him, my ultimate dream will be for Thiago to score the winning goal that knocks them out of the champions league, feck them.
Just giving him the money isn't really an option. If Thiago pays the 18m euro to Barca, United would need to gross that up at the top rate of UK income tax, was 50%, not sure if still is - think it's now 45%) so that we could give him 18m euro net. Which turns an 18m euro transfer into a 36m euro transfer.
Probably hence the negotiations.
I think you mean 26-27m..
I honestly don't think, even outside the realms of what that tweet might actually mean, they have a player who we need more. Xavi is, so we keep being told, suddenly a few months from death. Iniesta isn't a proper CM. We already have Busquets, except that ours puts on a Geordie accent, cuts out the diving and whining, and plays slightly better (
).I mean, we'd probably take Messi. You know, in order to be the bigger men, do the right thing etc.
No, 18m euros grossed up at 50% is 36m euros. In other words, United pay 36m euros to Thiago gross, but withhold 50% in PAYE (being the top rate), so 18m euros goes to HMRC and 18m euros to Thiago to repay the buyout clause.
Figures may be slightly lower if the tax rate has dropped from 50%, but not as low as 26-27m, unless I'm missing something.
I thought it meant that the fee will get higher by 50% of what it actually is, so I thought we just addd 9m to it.
No mate, the original post I quoted mentioned that we could just reimburse Thiago directly if he pays the 18m euros himself. If we do that, the payment is subject to income tax in the UK, hence the gross up at the income tax rate to give Thiago 18m euros net.
I'd imagine that a negotiation would then take place with Barca where we would achieve some sort of compromise between the 18m euros and 36m euros figures so that we could just pay the money direct to Barca and save some cash. Which is probably where Barca are trying to negotiate the release clause.
Can't see why Barcelona are so stubborn about buy back or first refusal clauses. Those clauses are useless anyway unless we want to sell, and if Thiago hits the heights we expect him to, we'd have no reason to sell.
And it's not like when Barcelona want him back, they won't send the goons out when he's away on international duty to unsettle him like they did with Fabregas. Fortunately for us, as long as we win things Thiago would have no reason to leave, unlike Fabregas.
And it's not like when Barcelona want him back, they won't send the goons out when he's away on international duty to unsettle him like they did with Fabregas. Fortunately for us, as long as we win things Thiago would have no reason to leave, unlike Fabregas.
I thought they were just asking for IVA to be charged on top, as it's an onward supply to a foreign entity. Not sure whether that's entirely legal but it would be a 21% charge which strictly speaking Barca would owe to the Spanish taxman (obviously it would be offset against purchases) But it's basically just a way of screwing United out of more cash.
I don't think something like this is holding the deal up TBH. I think paying an extra 5million is a very easy decision at this stage.
Agreed, it's definitely more complicated. This is a massive decision for Thiago to make, he probably has quite a few doubts which is understandable.
It seems like stuff like this happens in all of the transfer sagas though.
Club linked to player
Club linked more often to player
Fee agreed
Fee not agreed
Fee agreed and personal terms are discussed
Everything is agreed
Sudden twist
A week without anything new
Player signed.
Club linked to player
Club linked more often to player
Fee agreed
Fee not agreed
Fee agreed and personal terms are discussed
Everything is agreed
Sudden twist
A week without anything new
Player signed.
Can the fecker open a bank account in Monaco or in another tax free zone? It is very interesting to see how did Bayern dealt with Martinez but I am pretty sure that they didn't pay 80m for him (40m clause, which means that they should have given him 80m if he was tax subjected).
Yep, this seems to be correct.
Poor me, I was preparing google docs and then was going to tweet United. Anyway I think that there are some other tax free zones that doesn't require this, Cayman Islands for example.
I guess that wouldn't be all that bad. They can have him if we no longer don't want him, but a clause allowing them to buy him back at any time they want would be shit, unless it's for £300million
They had a smiliar clause with Bojan didn't they, where they could have him back for a cut price after 2 years if he performed well. They are so desperate to keep hold of their academy graduates, but not give them the chances they deserve in their own team. Just cut the chord, Barca.
Dunno, but I think that surely must be an option to don't pay the taxes. Bayern didn't pay 80m after all for Martinez.
First refusal is alright. Am I correct to think that a first refusal means that if we accept a bid from a club for him, then we must tell Barca and in case they match that bid, we must accept Barca's bid too?
Why would they pay 80m anyway if the clause is 40m? Is there a 100% tax?
Yeah pretty much I think. Although a buy back clause is not something I'd be happy with.
Nah, the taxes are around 50% (46% exactly if I am not mistaken) but in order for Martinez to have 40m neto in his bank account, they should have given him 80m Euro and after those money got taxed 50%, then they are 40m, enough for the clause. So, Thiago with those taxes and the VAT could be in the region of 40m.
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I have confirm with various sources that#MUFC & Thiago Alcântara officials are meeting today. MUFC want quick answer. Interesting day ahead
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Why are United fans giving a RAWK poster the publicity he craves? It's an insult to the RAWK goes into Meltdown thread
And this Indy fella is the only person who has sources is he? Lets see if anyone else says anything on the matter today.
I don't know how much sense you used to talk, but this is sensible.
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