Kaos
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So these 'airstrikes against ISIS' were only a guise for them to go into Iraq and bomb PKK positions, who themselves are involved in fighting ISIS
Should have expected as much.
Should have expected as much.
Not this summer. We had to postpone it until next March as one of the guys couldn't make it. I was also meant to go Jordan and Jerusalem this month but that fell through as well! What about you? Would you recommend not going now?
Reading another history of Turkey. They've got a tale to tell.
You reckon they'll make it into the EU, or even still want in by the time it's offered?
"Turkey - A Short History", and "Everything You Need to Know About Turkey". Both short, and the latter is only partly focused on history. I read a much ore thorough one some time ago, but don't recall the name, and needed a refresher regardless. If you've got any recommendations, I'd be happy to hear them.
Am planning on spending a month or 2 working there back there come spring. Probably set up shop in Beyoglu. Didn't really get to explore the Asian part much though. Any suggestions?
Osman's Dream - Caroline Finkel?Only been over that side once apart from catching the train from Haydarpasha station. There are some good places to eat in the streets behind the Karakoy landing dock, apart from that I don't know much about it.
Couple of good reads would be Orhan Pamuk's Istanbul (his memoirs of growing up in the city) and Bruce Clark's Twice A Stranger (about the 'population exchange' of Turks and Greeks after WW1). If you want to get really deep into Ottoman history, I'd recommend Between Two Worlds by Cemal Kafadar and especially The Emergence of Modern Turkey by Bernard Lewis, one of the best books ever written on any Middle Eastern topic.
Osman's Dream - Caroline Finkel?
It is excellent, thought you didn't mention it as you didn't like it and wanted your opinion on it.Haven't read it I'm afraid, I think it's one of the only books in English which treats the entire story of the empire from start to finish (i.e. 1300 - 1922/23). I'm sure it's excellent, her husband is one of the best journalists reporting on Turkey these days.
Only been over that side once apart from catching the train from Haydarpasha station. There are some good places to eat in the streets behind the Karakoy landing dock, apart from that I don't know much about it.
Couple of good reads would be Orhan Pamuk's Istanbul (his memoirs of growing up in the city) and Bruce Clark's Twice A Stranger (about the 'population exchange' of Turks and Greeks after WW1). If you want to get really deep into Ottoman history, I'd recommend Between Two Worlds by Cemal Kafadar and especially The Emergence of Modern Turkey by Bernard Lewis, one of the best books ever written on any Middle Eastern topic.
I don't know about Lewis honestly though. I've been quite leery of his writing after years ago reading a bunch of similarly themed works including 2 of his, "What Went Wrong" and "The Crisis of Islam" a long time ago. He's clearly intelligent, but he seems to have a particular point of view he's looking to drive. Given the title of those 2, it seems likely, and perhaps his other books are less opinionated.
how would another full blown escalation look like?
Time for the Kurds to have their own country
It sounds reasonable... But then you look at where drawing arbitrary lines based on ethnicity or religion has got us in that region and it becomes clear it probably wouldn't actually solve anythingTime for the Kurds to have their own country
It sounds reasonable... But then you look at where drawing arbitrary lines based on ethnicity or religion has got us in that region and it becomes clear it probably wouldn't actually solve anything
Only that the arbitrary lines that were drawn had nothing to do with ethnicity or religion.
You'll be fine.So I'm looking at next years Holiday destinations and Turkey is a place I have always loved going to in the past, Is it safe at the moment in the Touristy places Marmaris etc.? Sorry if I sound ignorant with Turkish events
So I'm looking at next years Holiday destinations and Turkey is a place I have always loved going to in the past, Is it safe at the moment in the Touristy places Marmaris etc.? Sorry if I sound ignorant with Turkish events
Twin explosions outside the main train station in the Turkish capital Ankara killed at least 30 people on Saturday as hundreds gathered for a peace rally, in what government officials described as a terrorist attack.
A Reuters reporter saw at least 30 bodies covered by flags and banners, including those of the pro-Kurdish opposition Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP), with bloodstains and body parts scattered on the road. According to reports, more than 126 people have been wounded in the blasts.
Authorities were investigating claims the attacks were carried out by a suicide bomber, two government officials told Reuters. Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu was due to hold an emergency meeting with the heads of the police and intelligence agencies and other senior officials, his office said.
Witnesses said the two explosions happened seconds apart shortly after 10:00 am (0700 GMT) as hundreds gathered for a planned "peace" march to protest against the conflict between Turkish security forces and Kurdish militants in the southeast.
Violence between the state and the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) militants has flared since July, when Turkey launched air strikes on militant camps in response to what it said were rising attacks on the security forces. Hundreds have since died.
Those involved in the peace march tended to the wounded lying on the ground, as hundreds of stunned people wandered around the streets. Bodies lay in two circles around 20 metres apart where the explosions had taken place.
The attacks come three weeks ahead of a parliamentary election in Turkey and at a time of multiple security threats, not only in the restive southeast but also from Islamic State militants in neighbouring Syria and home-grown leftist militants.
The NATO member has been in a heightened state of alert since starting a "synchronized war on terror" in July, including air strikes against Islamic State fighters in Syria and PKK bases in northern Iraq. It has also rounded up hundreds of suspected militants at home.
Designated a terrorist group by Turkey, the United States and the European Union, the PKK launched a separatist insurgency in 1984 in which more than 40,000 people have been killed.
The state launched peace talks with the PKK's jailed leader in 2012 and the latest in a series of ceasefires had been holding until the violence flared again in July.