Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation

The story goes that Obama had his bust removed from the White House as Churchill has a very questionable history with Africa. Obama’s official line is that he wanted to have MLK’s bust in there as it was fitting.


Of course Trump decided to undo it and bring Churchill’s bust back.

Then there’s the official White House Trump photo where he looks like a miserable cnut. He modelled the pose on Churchill, trying to have a stern, authoritative appearance.
Appreciate it man, thanks.
 
Churchill had meetings with Russians too.
 
It’s been mentioned in this and the Trump thread a number of times. Yes he can but he’s mirroring charges at state level which can’t be pardoned. Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt so the state level charges would be an open goal.

What charges are applicable to state level? Lying to FBI agents is not prosecutable under state law.
 
Reckon we may see pardons being handed out very quickly once Trump finds out Kushner is going to be charged.
 
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The story goes that Obama had his bust removed from the White House as Churchill has a very questionable history with Africa. Obama’s official line is that he wanted to have MLK’s bust in there as it was fitting.


Of course Trump decided to undo it and bring Churchill’s bust back.

Then there’s the official White House Trump photo where he looks like a miserable cnut. He modelled the pose on Churchill, trying to have a stern, authoritative appearance.
I was reading a few months ago that there's actually 2 twin busts of Churchill, 1 is permanently in the oval office and another belongs to the British Embassy in Washington. GW Bush requested the Embassy to loan the 2nd bust for his presidential term because he had a hard on for Churchill ( plus 9/11 and looking all military leaderish), all Obama did was return the 2nd bust to us, the American owned one still stayed in the oval office.
 
I hate Libertarians, they are basically republicans but are ashamed to admit it.

I’m wary of anyone who defines themself by any political ism tbf, but “Libertarian” in particular has definitely become a fashionable cover-all for “I’m alright jack” right wingers to cloak their self interest under the guise of intellectual “principle.”

For all the talk of identity politics hampering the left, it’s amazing how many righties casually excuse their cold anti-altruism (re:cruelty) as the product of some objevtive ideological mandate... “I don’t like inequality, but I’m a libertarian! I don’t like guns, but I’m a libertarian! I don’t want poor kids to die due to a lack of treatment, but hey, what can I do? I’m a libertarian!”

Never mind that any real libertarian should be outraged by the purge of net neutrality or the constant undermining of press freedoms ..or indeed everything Trump does. That’s not important. Not when the libs and their political correctness are something something transgender bathrooms!

The “lib” in modern Libertarianism, is almost as deviously false as the “socialist” was in National Socialism.
 
I’m wary of anyone who defines themself by any political ism tbf, but “Libertarian” in particular has definitely become a fashionable cover-all for “I’m alright jack” right wingers to cloak their self interest under the guise of intellectual “principle.”

For all the talk of identity politics hampering the left, it’s amazing how many righties casually excuse their cold anti-altruism (re:cruelty) as the product of some objevtive ideological mandate... “I don’t like inequality, but I’m a libertarian! I don’t like guns, but I’m a libertarian! I don’t want poor kids to die due to a lack of treatment, but hey, what can I do? I’m a libertarian!”

Never mind that any real libertarian should be outraged by the purge of net neutrality or the constant undermining of press freedoms ..or indeed everything Trump does. That’s not important. Not when the libs and their political correctness are something something transgender bathrooms!

The “lib” in modern Libertarianism, is almost as deviously false as the “socialist” was in National Socialism.

Aye, it's a bit of a cop-out from people who generally want us to feel sorry for incredibly rich people who have to pay taxes. Presumably with those same people ignoring that those taxes provide those very same rich people with a healthier, more educated and safer workforce who are more equipped to do their jobs because they benefit from the taxes their rich employers sometimes pay when they don't feck off to Panama or wherever.

But whatever. I remember arguing with a Libertarian one time whose whole argument fell apart when he felt people should be free, but should also live under the rule of God...because that's not oppressive at all.:lol:
 
Really is disappointing that the media are still not learning their lessons.

ABC news' Brian Ross made a false bombshell claim today when this Flynn news was unfolding and it caused the stock markets to tank.
 
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I find it difficult to believe Kushner didn't have permission from Trump to give Kremlin Flynn orders.
 
I’m wary of anyone who defines themself by any political ism tbf, but “Libertarian” in particular has definitely become a fashionable cover-all for “I’m alright jack” right wingers to cloak their self interest under the guise of intellectual “principle.”

For all the talk of identity politics hampering the left, it’s amazing how many righties casually excuse their cold anti-altruism (re:cruelty) as the product of some objevtive ideological mandate... “I don’t like inequality, but I’m a libertarian! I don’t like guns, but I’m a libertarian! I don’t want poor kids to die due to a lack of treatment, but hey, what can I do? I’m a libertarian!”

Never mind that any real libertarian should be outraged by the purge of net neutrality or the constant undermining of press freedoms ..or indeed everything Trump does. That’s not important. Not when the libs and their political correctness are something something transgender bathrooms!

The “lib” in modern Libertarianism, is almost as deviously false as the “socialist” was in National Socialism.

Great post.
 
I’m wary of anyone who defines themself by any political ism tbf, but “Libertarian” in particular has definitely become a fashionable cover-all for “I’m alright jack” right wingers to cloak their self interest under the guise of intellectual “principle.”

For all the talk of identity politics hampering the left, it’s amazing how many righties casually excuse their cold anti-altruism (re:cruelty) as the product of some objevtive ideological mandate... “I don’t like inequality, but I’m a libertarian! I don’t like guns, but I’m a libertarian! I don’t want poor kids to die due to a lack of treatment, but hey, what can I do? I’m a libertarian!”

Never mind that any real libertarian should be outraged by the purge of net neutrality or the constant undermining of press freedoms ..or indeed everything Trump does. That’s not important. Not when the libs and their political correctness are something something transgender bathrooms!

The “lib” in modern Libertarianism, is almost as deviously false as the “socialist” was in National Socialism.

The weirdest part is that being a libertarian means that you put an emphasis on individual action and responsibility, so if they are actually against guns and poor kids dying due to lack of treatment, as libertarians they should privately finance and organize associations that support the aforementioned kids and fight the NRA. Is that what they do?
 
The weirdest part is that being a libertarian means that you put an emphasis on individual action and responsibility, so if they are actually against guns and poor kids dying due to lack of treatment, as libertarians they should privately finance and organize associations that support the aforementioned kids and fight the NRA. Is that what they do?

There was a libertarian argument after Grenfell, that it wasn't a failure because of lack of regulations but poor marketing by the sprinkler installation industry.

About kids dying: I think they don't think it is necessary to interfere or be responsible for other people. Depending on how far into the libertarian spectrum you go, they could argue that an unregulated medical sector (in terms of who starts a clinic and what medicines are sold) would be beneficial for children.
 
Libertarians are the scariest of them all. Let the free market keep us safe? People will certainly stop flying Cheap Nasty Airlines once they crash three times in a week, screw having regulations in place to prevent the crashes.
 
Libertarians are the scariest of them all. Let the free market keep us safe? People will certainly stop flying Cheap Nasty Airlines once they crash three times in a week, screw having regulations in place to prevent the crashes.
It’s limited government, not anarchy.
 
Define limited government.
That varies from person to person. People usually want sensible regulation, but they generally think what we have in this country in terms of regulation is overkill. Personally, I’m a big government (preferably representative of the working and middle classes) type of guy.
 
That varies from person to person. People usually want sensible regulation, but they generally think what we have in this country in terms of regulation is overkill. Personally, I’m a big government (preferably representative of the working and middle classes) type of guy.
There's a big problem. Everyone wants a different regulation cut back or eliminated.

Anyway, Russia thread. Sorry for off topic.
 
Libertarians are the scariest of them all. Let the free market keep us safe? People will certainly stop flying Cheap Nasty Airlines once they crash three times in a week, screw having regulations in place to prevent the crashes.
Right wingers will accuse left leaning folks of living in fantasy land but there’s nothing more delusional and removed from reality than what Libertarianism suggests once you get down to the details. It’s an absurd way of thinking about society and the world.
 
So all of a sudden he knew Flynn had lied to the FBI before hand :lol: . This is going to play over well .

Aye that’s what I mean by his lawyers hating him. He’s admitting he fired Flynn because he knew he had lied to Pence and the FBI.

So at the point of firing, how did he know all this?