Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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This is a guy with a Nixon tattoo we’re talking about here...
Funny how all those events were perpetrated by Democrats...
Pantomime. Crocodile tears. I sincerely hope they don’t fall for it, he realises it’s not working and just changes tack and gets angry saying things he shouldn’t which will result in more shower time in the prison.
Hope he gets his arse torn up
I don't think Americans want Mueller's sudden downpour all over them
Someone playing games.
Possibly they're getting cocky again. That could be from desparation too, in that they may have decided that their base will eat up anything they feed them and they're going to throw all their eggs into the basket of some kind of fake report. They'll announce their own interim findings or something and claim it's Mueller's
Here’s why Trump’s team is lying about the release of the Mueller report
Makes sense really. Mueller’s still got 12 or 13 prosecutors working for him, the foreign country appeal is still being heard and his investigations are ongoing. Nothing about his work seems anywhere near completed.
Trump needs Mueller to stop and stop soon and pressurising him to release a report and end the investigation will be his priority. He knows that he can’t shut it down and by agitating for it’s release he’s hoping to rile up his fan base until they clamour for a report. He is desperately trying to encourage people to call for an end to the SC investigation.
Trump needs Mueller to stop and stop soon and pressurising him to release a report and end the investigation will be his priority. He knows that he can’t shut it down and by agitating for it’s release he’s hoping to rile up his fan base until they clamour for a report. He is desperately trying to encourage people to call for an end to the SC investigation.
Is this investigation ever gonna end?
Yes, that’s exactly the state of mind he wants to create throughout the US.
The last sentence says it may not be released to Congress . Isn't that the express purpose of this investigation?
Mueller is doing completely the right thing but just staying silent.
Everything is speculation which must be tearing those who really don't want it released apart.
Everything is speculation which must be tearing those who really don't want it released apart.
No, it’s an investigation by the DoJ. Of course if they tried to hide the results, congress would certainly do everything in their power to prevent that.
But what's the point of an investigation for the executive branch which is supposed to find crimes by the head of the same executive branch ? Was this the same in the Nixon case?
Hadn’t actually thought of that angle.
When a lot of damaging truth leaks out it will obviously hurt those implicated. It must be doubly frustrating for them when inaccuracies in these events are reported.
The Republicans and Trump banging on about this investigation taking too long and being a waste is so fecking (unsurprisingly) hypocritical and anger inducing after they spent years dragging out the nonsense Benghazi investigation which produced nothing when this has led to a whole bunch of indictments, charges and guilty pleas - not to mention an enormous wealth of seized assets that pay for the cost of the investigation itself several times over.
I was glad all the predictions of the Mueller Report coming out next week were false.
Mueller will do what needs to be done.
Mueller will do what needs to be done.
Manaforts wardrobe probably covered most of it...
CNN ran with it as well
Initially, until Nixon fired a series of people until he sound someone willing to fire the special prosecutor (Saturday Night Massacre). I can’t remember the process after that, I’d assume control stepped in to appoint the next one, but I may be wrong.
Trump’s been in a particular frenzy over this report since Cohen flipped. Now he’s in blind panic mode in case they flip Stone. Expect him to put more pressure on Mueller to file a report and finish this investigation. Expect the new CNN Trump stooges to help it along.
Don't know if it's been said but Manafort is now facing state charges. Soon, Trump will be unable to help him.
And the reality is that if Stone flips, that will likely be the final piece in the Russia collusion puzzle, since Stone would be able to tell Mueller that he was in regular contact with Trump about Wikileaks dumps, so the GRU-->Wikileaks-->Stone--->Trump picture would be complete.
Don’t know about you but I’m thinking Stone will flip. (Although I can’t think of a more unreliable witness).
Might have failed at some things in life but seems to have done a cracking job of lying,
The very fact that tweet exists is a testament to the fact he also fecking sucked at that too.
Lying to your own lawyers has to be fecking demented.
Not a good job, just consistent. If he actually did a good job, he wouldn't have gotten caught as much.
Just realised that Trump is meeting with Kimmy in Vietnam on both of these days. He’s going to make a big thing out of the talks to try and distract from these hearings. He’ll be inwardly fuming though.
As a lawyer... every client lies. You would not believe the shit that I get lied to about because client's think they're being smart. Until it fecks them in the arse and I have to break my balls to fix it. Sometimes it cant be fixed and you need a different plan.
Isn’t there also the issue where a Laywer must intervene if he knows his client is deliberately committing perjury?
Under our solicitors (Lawyers) rule in Australia, we are meant to advise the Court yes. If for example in a murder case, a client confines that they did indeed perform the murder, then we are obliged to notify the court and advise the client to plead guilty.
But as I said, client's lie and your duty is primarily to the court but you also have a duty to your client. If your client tells you they didnt murder somebody (and they did) then all you can do is rely on that fact. If subsequent information comes about that you're not aware of in the initial phase, not much more you can do.
In that regard, if in the event the client fails to subsequently admit guilt after private admission, then most lawyers will cease to act for the defendant. As much as lawyers get the wrong end of the stick in pop culture, we still have morals and ethics and most wont risk their careers for a criminal.
Don Trump Jr hints Mueller may find crimes ‘people did in past lives — in 2006’
Donald Trump Jr. made what sounded like an admission of wrongdoing during a wide-ranging interview with “Fox & Friends.”
The Fox News hosts asked the president’s son to comment on investigations into the Trump family’s business dealings by the Southern District of New York, which wouldn’t be subject to the same Department of Justice guidelines as special counsel Robert Mueller.
“I’m old enough to remember two weeks ago when Mueller would be the savior,” Trump Jr said. “That’s not what they’re trying to do — they’re not investigating actual crimes anymore. They’re literally trying to find something they can make a big deal of.”
The president’s son expressed confidence that he and his family would not be prosecuted.
“I’ve been hearing this for two years — everyone is getting, everyone is going to jail,” he said. “Meanwhile, they haven’t actually found anything relates to this. What they did was put incredible pressure on regular guys that couldn’t afford million dollars in legal fees, and got them to slip up, say something incorrectly. They pretended they were their friends.”
Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort, deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates, former national security adviser Mike Flynn, longtime Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen and former campaign adviser George Papadopoulos have all pleaded guilty to lying to investigators.
“There are no actual crimes,” Trump Jr. said. “There’s only things that people did in past lives, in 2006 before we even thought we ever get into this crazy world, and that’s what it is. They’re touting these things as victories — it’s not. What it has been a total farce, the greatest witch-hunt in American history.”
The guilty pleas and convictions cover crimes that occurred during the 2016 presidential campaign and after the 2017 inauguration, although some of Manafort’s crimes continued well into 2018.
(Raw Story)
Donald Trump Jr. made what sounded like an admission of wrongdoing during a wide-ranging interview with “Fox & Friends.”
The Fox News hosts asked the president’s son to comment on investigations into the Trump family’s business dealings by the Southern District of New York, which wouldn’t be subject to the same Department of Justice guidelines as special counsel Robert Mueller.
“I’m old enough to remember two weeks ago when Mueller would be the savior,” Trump Jr said. “That’s not what they’re trying to do — they’re not investigating actual crimes anymore. They’re literally trying to find something they can make a big deal of.”
The president’s son expressed confidence that he and his family would not be prosecuted.
“I’ve been hearing this for two years — everyone is getting, everyone is going to jail,” he said. “Meanwhile, they haven’t actually found anything relates to this. What they did was put incredible pressure on regular guys that couldn’t afford million dollars in legal fees, and got them to slip up, say something incorrectly. They pretended they were their friends.”
Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort, deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates, former national security adviser Mike Flynn, longtime Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen and former campaign adviser George Papadopoulos have all pleaded guilty to lying to investigators.
“There are no actual crimes,” Trump Jr. said. “There’s only things that people did in past lives, in 2006 before we even thought we ever get into this crazy world, and that’s what it is. They’re touting these things as victories — it’s not. What it has been a total farce, the greatest witch-hunt in American history.”
The guilty pleas and convictions cover crimes that occurred during the 2016 presidential campaign and after the 2017 inauguration, although some of Manafort’s crimes continued well into 2018.
(Raw Story)
I wonder what happened in 2006.
The bloody nerve of this...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/25/paul-manafort-leniency-prison