Half of that episode was Danvers running around shouting "Navarro!" down hallways.
Television True Detective: Night Country | Season 4 | FINALE SPOILERS
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Dogshit. The actual reasoning behind the scientists deaths was fine, but that took up about 5 minutes of the episode. Instead we get supernatural pish and endless nothing conversation.
It feels like they crammed 80% of the plot into this final episode. They could easily have spread it out more over the season, so we didn't have a full episode of men thawing. Then there was a complete tonal shift towards the end as well towards something very profound and meaningful, when they have barely scratched the surface of that stuff in the rest of season. Also, the amount of times they split up Danvers and Navarro so plot could happen was stupid - why not search the station as a pair, so you don't get overpowered by the lunatic?
And have I forgot something, or did they spring the whole thing about Danvers having a son on us in this last episode? Was the only foreshadowing that stupid one-eyed polar bear?
Edit: Just realized that they recycled the whole "custodial worker(s) appearing briefly in an earlier episode is actually the killer" element from Season 1
Feck off!
And have I forgot something, or did they spring the whole thing about Danvers having a son on us in this last episode? Was the only foreshadowing that stupid one-eyed polar bear?
Edit: Just realized that they recycled the whole "custodial worker(s) appearing briefly in an earlier episode is actually the killer" element from Season 1
Feck off!What an abject waste of time watching this was. Thankfully it only went 6 episodes.
They hinted that the cops did that I guess.
That was implied/hinted at a couple of times earlier.
There was just a lot of very silly stuff going on. Why did the reindeer or caribous or whatever throw themselves off a cliff in the very first episode? Why was the polar bear there? Taqaq? Qavik? The trailer full of weird ritual stuff? The people it actually revolved around weren't really in the show at all. How many naps did Danvers need in that last episode? It was madness.It feels like they crammed 80% of the plot into this final episode. They could easily have spread it out more over the season, so we didn't have a full episode of men thawing. Then there was a complete tonal shift towards the end as well towards something very profound and meaningful, when they have barely scratched the surface of that stuff in the rest of season. Also, the amount of times they split up Danvers and Navarro so plot could happen was stupid - why not search the station as a pair, so you don't get overpowered by the lunatic?
And have I forgot something, or did they spring the whole thing about Danvers having a son on us in this last episode? Was the only foreshadowing that stupid one-eyed polar bear?
Edit: Just realized that they recycled the whole "custodial worker(s) appearing briefly in an earlier episode is actually the killer" element from Season 1
It was more than hinted at. You knew she had a son who died. They showed him or pics of him and the polar bear. Later she found the bear, in an old box I think, and got upset and threw out into the snow, then he appeared and spoke to Navarro while holding the bear.
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If a payoff like that came after 3 or 4 ten episode seasons, I'd be annoyed but it was only a 6 episode miniseries. It was alright.
Would've been funny if the last shot was the Dad's mail order bride getting off the plane with a box of chocolates and flowers.
Would've been funny if the last shot was the Dad's mail order bride getting off the plane with a box of chocolates and flowers.
Feck that. Fell completely flat on its face that show. Unfortunate, endless night..everybody and their mother wanting to opt out of a raw deal: the premise was fine.
I‘m certain I won‘t ever rewatch that season. Every other of the three, even the campy second, has at least some stuff going for it. This felt like a tediously drawn out „Outer Limits“ episode.
I‘m certain I won‘t ever rewatch that season. Every other of the three, even the campy second, has at least some stuff going for it. This felt like a tediously drawn out „Outer Limits“ episode.
Explain this? Who put the tongue there?
Edit shit sorry thought you were talking about the tongue
Beyond awful finale. Apparently the truest detectives are the ones who cover up the most extrajudicial killings?
Also glorifying suicide when it's a disproportionately large problem for indigenous peoples is pretty fecking despicable if you ask me.
Also glorifying suicide when it's a disproportionately large problem for indigenous peoples is pretty fecking despicable if you ask me.
Ha ha the feckin tongue. That was just left hanging for spooky vibes
I'm not generally one for dissing on shows that have female empowerment but it really felt like they did their utmost in this to make all the women really strong characters and all the men absolute fannies It's strange that they thought it would go down well in a show that's predominantly been enjoyed by men in the past, but oh well.
As I said before, it's like they wrote a different show, slapped the True Detective logo on it for more viewership, and added some references to season one that had zero impact on the actual story. Such a fecking mess.
It's strange that they thought it would go down well in a show that's predominantly been enjoyed by men in the past, but oh well.As I said before, it's like they wrote a different show, slapped the True Detective logo on it for more viewership, and added some references to season one that had zero impact on the actual story. Such a fecking mess.
There was only one decent guy in it, Navarro's fella.I'm not generally one for dissing on shows that have female empowerment but it really felt like they did their utmost in this to make all the women really strong characters and all the men absolute fannies
As I said before, it's like they wrote a different show, slapped the True Detective logo on it for more viewership, and added some references to season one that had zero impact on the actual story. Such a fecking mess.
Prior was a dumb puppy until that line out of nowhere about "You hate me for making you have the baby." or something like that, pushed him into cnutish territory.
The tongue was used awfully, I agree. Three options I can think of and they‘re all terrible. a) Hank, who staged the scene of the murder cut the tongue. Most believable angle. But why keep it? And then, why put it there? Makes zero sense. b) Those mean cleaning ladies put it there to start off the investigation (as if a bunch of frozen bodies wouldn‘t be enough). Makes no sense. Even if: why not hint at it when being brave enough already to confess it all anyway. c) it‘s the supernatural, stupid! Most likely cop out scenario I believe. Connects with Danver‘s scene eating an orange at that table. (Yea, makes no sense either).
That‘s one of my main irks with this season: it‘s all so fecking nebulous, except for the utterly clichéd characters, could be, this could be that: that‘s not how you do a good mystery, it‘s fecking nonsense. Why did Navarro see the damaged icebear? That wasn‘t part of her story. Marty never had hallucinations, that wasn‘t part of his story. Hence why they worked - it was alsosatisfyingly explained with Cohle‘s backstory working undercover, doing drugs.
And the brooding foreshadowing (and some red herrings at first watch) with Marty‘s kids drawing spirals, staging scary scenes with their puppets or drawing a women with flowers on her belly or wearing a crown while playing outside never was never played out as some mystic, supernatural thing but happened at the side, possibly even unnoticed by many. (Also tied in beautifully with Rust‘s comment on how the early demise of his child spared him the sin of becoming a father all the while we see Marty trying to stage a happy home for his children while terrible things happen outside, even the marriage being fake already and those drawings etc just highlighted that those kids can‘t be protected and it‘s a very nihilistic and terrible message that fitted that show and atmosphere perfectly.)
wish they‘d gone full blown horror/camp with this one - but even the portrayal of Annie Ks (also hated hiw those that were meant caring for that woman the most always called her „ Annie K“) killing wasn‘t really terrifying nor was the raid of the mad cleaning ladies on the station griping - it was filmed instead utterly ridiculous.
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Didn't the supply guy who found the scene notice the tongue?
Also, it's absolutely ridiculous that there was no forensic evidence of Clean Team Six storming the compound.
Didn't they say those scientists were killed before they froze to death - as in there were scars/damage to their bodies? But during their "confession" (hypothetical anyway), didn't the ladies admit to letting the men walk away naked into the snow and "let Annie decide if she wants to take them or not"....so....who killed the men if they were dead before being frozen?
Like self-inflicted bite wounds, missing tongues/eyes?
Unless of course I'm just misremembering or those ladies basically "confessed" to everything except outright saying they actually murdered them.
Like self-inflicted bite wounds, missing tongues/eyes?
Unless of course I'm just misremembering or those ladies basically "confessed" to everything except outright saying they actually murdered them.
I think they said they died before freezing to death, because of the terrified looks on their faces, but that would lead to the same inconsistency as you point out. Either it's bad writing or they imply that the women were lying (or possibly that something supernatural killed them).
Thought that was a bullshite "hint" at the mystic forces at work there. Part of me was hoping we'd see that historic skeleton come alive and go to town on this city full of morons.
They should have shown a shot where the cleaing ladies cleaned the whole compound afterwards to the music or "Twist and Shout" or so.
They should have shown a shot where the cleaing ladies cleaned the whole compound afterwards to the music or "Twist and Shout" or so.
Yeah i specifically remember them saying they were dead before they froze (then their bodies had bite marks, missing an eye, tongue etc.) but there was no mention of that - unless it was Annie K
At this point, it wouldn't surprise me - not with so many things not resolved (the tongue, the spiral etc.).
I mean, it's the same with that "DNA that could save the world". They just didn't mention it to anybody and let it be, right?
Even assuming it was the root of all evil and saving the world can be interpreted in a lot of ways, not to address that point at all, it's just bad writing. But I've read parts of an interview with the director and am fully convinced she really is just full of herself and the most stupid interpretation of a thing here is most likely the correct one.
Even assuming it was the root of all evil and saving the world can be interpreted in a lot of ways, not to address that point at all, it's just bad writing. But I've read parts of an interview with the director and am fully convinced she really is just full of herself and the most stupid interpretation of a thing here is most likely the correct one.
You're not asking the right questions. Ask again!
Seriously though, I think the caribous mass suicide was foreshadowing about the whole thing about wandering out on the ice to die?
Bit like our own story with Ten hag, HBO saw that Issa Lopez was doing some good work in Mexico, particuarly with supernatural horror themes. So they gave her full control for the season. I'd like to say that there were some decent moments here and there, but mostly she just looked out of her depth.
Would you say Kali Reis was her Antony?
Quite possibly. Still not sure if she was hampered by dodgy writing, but her character was certainly frustrating.
One cleaner goes into the underground lair, finds the screwdriver and then another cleaner looks at the autopsy photos in the police station and they decide that it fits the bill for a murder weapon.
Sit down, Columbo. These girls are putting you in the shade.
Sit down, Columbo. These girls are putting you in the shade.
Can’t say I even noticed a supposed ‘girl power’ theme like others did. Maybe I was too busy trying to work out what the feck was going on. Actually enjoyed it for the most part. The ending felt really messy though. There’s a lot of things unexplained and it kind of feels like there isn’t a logical explanation. It’ll just be accepted that logic got pushed aside for the ending that they wanted.
This was my biggest issue. Absolutely ridiculous
That was a bit weird. It seemingly came out of nowhere. Did I miss a set up for that line earlier in the season?
Awful. That’s all I have to say.
Not that I recall. I thought it was just Danvers putting a strain on their relationship but apparently it was more than that.
Then we had the cliché kiss and "Please come back..." between them at the end.
It was daft, but I liked it.
I've not been critical of the rest of the season but that was an awful finale.
Two different maps probably - and it was established very early on that she‘s just not a good detective.
Although we don‘t know for how long they‘ve walked through the cave system until Navarro heared voices in her head again. Could have been hours. I found it more funny that the half starving suspect who appeared some mere meters in front of them totally outruns her into his secret lap and can push that drawer back into place, getting up that metal ladder, closing the hatch totally unnoticed and without making any kind of noise. Fun thing is, this could have been super easily solved by showing the detectives quite badly hurt from falling down a hole a couple of meters but nope, they were totally fine.
True Detective hasn't been good since it's first season, not sure i understand why people have high expectations.
There isn't one. It's a really thick argument and undermines the very valid criticism of the series. Sadly, the insecurity of some men has turned this into a culture war issue. Well done.
Ultimately it didn't stick the landing, the set-up was great, but the explanation was a silly disappointment. You can't evoke The Thing and all these supernatural elements and deliver an empty mystery box wrapped in Series One paper. The reuse of the symbol and lines from the first series felt like the guiltiest excesses of JJ Abrams. The final shots had series 'Rey Skywalker' energy.
Great actors, setting, premise but completely fell apart in the final two episodes, the signs were probably there earlier, I watched the first five in one go and assumed we were only just over half way.
judging from this thread, when people say they love this show, what it really means is that they love only the first season. the same people bash S2 and the S4, and they usually say S3 is level below the first season anyway. so...
I liked the second season. The third season started out very well, but was a bit too predictable in the end. This was on another level of bad writing (but not because of the "female empowerment" culture war angle that some have taken).
Being a level below S1 is not saying it‘s not good though, it just may not be brilliant. I liked S3 a lot after finally coming around to watch it. But where S1 sped it up and introduced some proper action scenes it went completely the opposite way and slowed it down even further which I‘d guess most didn‘t like but I thought it great nonetheless- acting was top notch.
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