and yet they ignore the fact trans men also exist, which completely disproves their stupid little theory.
and this is why they ignore the existence of trans men.
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and yet they ignore the fact trans men also exist, which completely disproves their stupid little theory.
and this is why they ignore the existence of trans men.
if someone's biological sex and gender were the same thing, they wouldn't be trans.
I wasn't doing that though. I was being very specific about using terms like "real women". We either want to have rigorous, scientific debate and therefore avoid 100% subjective and loaded concepts like "real women" or we don't, in which case anybody can pretend that phrases like "real women" are a perfectly acceptable way to approach all this. Maybe there's a nuanced debate to be had, but it will certainly not start with the question "Are trans women real women?". What is disingenuous is pretending that's a good starting point for rigorous, in good faith debate.
the funniest part is him pretending he learnt photoshop when it's clearly an AI app. he's such an odious twat.
This logic doesn’t work, and it has pretty hilarious outcomes.
What logic doesn't work. Canvassing opinion of the general population? If you think there is no debate to be had you are extremely short sighted.
Odius twat for having an opinion different to yourself...over and over again the bile from some sectors is sad.
yes, his comic is also shit.
do you also excuse the racists who throw bananas at footballers as just having a 'different opinion'?
All of it
“It’s not bigotry. Plenty of opinion polls out there demonstrating this.”
If you look at a public opinion poll from the 1950s about gay people it would be bad. That a lot of people hold the same opinion doesn’t mean it can’t be a bigoted opinion. I’m not saying you’ve said anything bigoted or anything like that, just that this line of thinking doesn’t make any sense - I also see Cafecillos and Norway roux already mentioned all this so this post is pointless
I think it’s pretty healthy to judge people on their opinions. You’ve mentioned a few times that you don’t understand people judging others for differences In opinion,but if you genuinely think someone’s is transphobic, or racist, or cruel, why wouldn’t you think there a cnut? If my neighbour tells me all Muslims are bad people, I’m not gonna think we have different outlooks and I shouldn’t judge him, I’m gonna think he’s a wanker
Of course to go into specifics, how much do you know about Glinner?
Why do you keep saying it like it's just the fact that 'he has a different opinion' which makes him a terrible human being?
As an example... someone could be pro-life and anti-abortion. Personally, I wouldn't agree at all... but it's a different opinion. If that pro-life person was to spend every single day outside abortion clinics shouting abuse at women who were going inside, they'd be a terrible person too. Same as this clown is.
Sorry - I find the argument ridiculous. It's actually pretty uncomfortable that you are trying to associate the trans debate with racist abuse. Classic strawman 'just label those that disagree' a bigot type behaviour. It's pathetic, childish and unhelpful.
They just have an opinion different from yourself, calm down.
I think the idea that we shouldn’t judge people based on their opinions is about as ridiculous as it gets. What else should we judge people on if not their opinions and their acts?
Have you seen me labelling them awful human beings or odious twats?
Yep. Never understood the hype around Potter. It's gash. And I actually tried to get into it even as a kid and it was still gash.
No, but I've seen you talking about "bile" just because they have a different opinion than you.
I think even out and out self labelled transphobes find Glinner odious, he’s incredibly unlikeable.
Their looks?
I actually can’t remember how old I was when I read the first one. Probably an adult. I read it on holiday and enjoyed it. But I also enjoyed a Dan Brown novel once. Shit writers can write enjoyable books to read. In small doses.
To be fair, Linehan warrants that level of criticism.
He's the Morrissey of transphobia
Don't know a lot about him. certainly seems to have a bee in his bonnet about trans people. That comic tweet is bizarre.
As long as you know it's shit that you are enjoying it's cool.
One could try but it’s meagre picking grounds when it comes to a handsome devil like Linehan.
sorry, what's ridiculous about it exactly?
and yes, i do think racism, like sexism, homophobia and transphobia is bigoted behaviour. i think you'll find most people do.
edit: also, there is no 'trans debate'. what you're talking about is transphobia.
pic not showing up for me!
discussing the nuances of what defines a real biological women with a vagina is not transphobia.
It does assume sex is a binary, which it isn't.
URL time:
https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions/vaginal-agenesis
https://www.livescience.com/60162-born-without-vagina-mrkh-syndrome.html
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001497.htm
Also:
Scientific American – Sex Redefined
Sapiens – Rejecting the Sex Binary
Massive Sci – Sex isn’t binary, and we should stop acting like it is
https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions/vaginal-agenesis
https://www.livescience.com/60162-born-without-vagina-mrkh-syndrome.html
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001497.htm
Also:
Scientific American – Sex Redefined
Sapiens – Rejecting the Sex Binary
Massive Sci – Sex isn’t binary, and we should stop acting like it is
What's your view of Posie Parker?
It’s the “that’s the joke” meme. He’s making a (crap) joke about having to learn photoshop when he knows everyone who sees the tweet will know exactly how those images were really made.
No idea who he/she is.
Ok. Rowling knows very well who she is, and is a fan. For some highlights, Parker pretends to be an ally of lesbians while she works with the anti-gay hate group American College of Pediatricians who champions conversion therapy. She is a "feminist" who says that giving up the right to abortion is no problem if it helps in the fight against trans people. She's someone who calls for men to arm themselves and enter women's bathrooms in an effort to stop trans women from using women's bathrooms. This is a part of Rowling's "different opinions" about trans people.
What's your opinion on Magdalen Berns? Rowling is a fan, it's a part of her "different opinions" about trans people. Do you agree with them?
I'll have to dig up some material from them both!
Feel free to look up Adam Preston as well, another ally.
I find this in the topic of trans a bit disingenuous.
In mammalian physiology, there are only two genders (re: two sexes). For humans, things such as vaginal agenesis, mutations, intersex etc are abnormalities that sit outside of that paradigm. A woman born without a vagina is an abnormality to the usual model (as if things were fully developed in utero, she would have a vagina). Differing levels of hormones, mutations to certain genes has a profound impact on whether the fetus is born a male or female (or somewhere in between) but again, these aren't the norm. (Finger in the air) - I'd say that we're talking about maybe 2-3% of the world's population that fit into this category.
Trans people - ie, people born with one type of sex and then transition later in life, is an altogether different discussion.
Edit: after some quick googling...
How common is intersex? a response to Anne Fausto-Sterling - PubMed (nih.gov)
For intersex as defined in the quote above, we're specifically talking about 0.018% in the world's population.
fair enough, i wasn't giving him enough credit for making the joke then. feels like he forgot about humour completely about 10 years ago
To be fair, this (deliberately) convolutes the debate. I think only around 0.001%-0.05% of people have ambiguous genitals, while around 0.5% of people are trans (1.5% for young adults). So, the vast majority of trans people do not have ambiguos genitals and biologically are not what could be considered non-binary. Their self-identified gender is different to their biological sex, but their biological sex is not ambiguous.
you seem to be conflating sex and gender.
of course trans women weren't born with a vagina. if their gender identity matched their sex they wouldn't be trans.
I agree, biological sex is different to gender.