Thank you.No, sorry, should have been more specific. It's closed to those born female who still identify as such. Here's a link to the actual policy:
The categories for swimming are:
- Female – athletes with a birth sex of female
- Open – athletes with a birth sex of male, trans or non-binary competitors and any competitor not eligible for the female category
( The updated policy ensures there are entry-level competitive opportunities for transgender people to participate in the majority of our disciplines within their gender identity).
there will never be enough trans people to have a separate category, and even if there was it's a moot point as they don't want one.
How many want to be identified that way? Especially if they transitioned as teens, they’d have no interest in being publicly identified as trans. Isn’t the point to just compete in their new identity? I think that’s point of a lot of the anti-trans laws: so people are outed.I'd be interested to know from the transgender athletes why they did not apply.
How many want to be identified that way? Especially if they transitioned as teens, they’d have no interest in being publicly identified as trans. Isn’t the point to just compete in their new identity? I think that’s point of a lot of the anti-trans laws: so people are outed.
Two transgender cyclists took home gold and silver at a women’s cycling event in Chicago — sparking fresh controversy as only one biological female made the podium.
Navratilova is a former World No1 tennis player, for context.
Jo is my recent posting in the wrong place? apologies if it is.I've bumped a whole batch of posts across to the main transgender rights discussion.
Those posts almost all cover a broader range of topics than the questions around transgender athletes and sport. Apologies to anyone whose post got swept into the other thread and needs to come back into this one. Please repost in this thread if that has happened.
No, you're in the right thread. Trans athletes worldwide do get used as political ammunition unfortunately. It's often used as a wedge issue to undermine trans rights and deride trans people.Jo is my recent posting in the wrong place? apologies if it is.
One problem I do have with what we are about to do in NZ is that it is essentially a bunch of men pushing a decision about a womans situation.
I don't get what the conditions could be that would maintain safety of the biologically female athletes
They must meet certain criteria, including declaring their new gender identity, completing gender reassignment surgery and regular hormone testing.
Both male and female transgender athletes must have undergone quarterly hormone testing and provided US Boxing with documentation of their hormone levels for a minimum of four years following surgery.
I don't see much of an issue if it's in a pro boxing fight where both athletes have signed up to it.
It's different in Olympic boxing where you don't necessarily sign up to fight one athlete specifically but in pro boxing we have had people like Claressa Shields saying she wants to fight men and has sparred with them etc.
I'm not really into boxing, but wouldn't this approach mean that it would potentially be a lot harder for biologically female boxers to get their hands on the most prestigious titles and belts? Even if every individual match is agreed upon, there is a progression to the sport that typically culminates in a title fight.
The issue will be around whether the natural speed and strength advantages are reduced via hormone therapy.I don't see much of an issue if it's in a pro boxing fight where both athletes have signed up to it.
It's different in Olympic boxing where you don't necessarily sign up to fight one athlete specifically but in pro boxing we have had people like Claressa Shields saying she wants to fight men and has sparred with them etc.
The issue will be around whether the natural speed and strength advantages are reduced via hormone therapy.
Why does that matter if both opponents agree to the fight? It's their choice at the end of the day, no?
Because it's a monumental disadvantage, the training is coherently different due to the physical capabilities which is also a reason why the rounds differentiate (used to be 15 rounds for men's and even in camps fighters train for 15-17 rounds to be optimal for 12 in a bout). Clarissa shields statements are also quite frankly ridiculous, look at the men she's sparred in the gym, they are mostly green and seemingly from the videos were pulling their punches.
If Shields who is a female middleweight undisputed champion fought even a C level male fighter who's ranked with one of the boxing organisations top 100 she would get demolished.
Well I think then we are moving more towards unregulated bare-knuckle-style fights. At some point athlete welfare trump their personal decision to fight, hence why we have governing bodies/sanctions and why fights and fight licences don't get sanctioned.Why does that matter if both opponents agree to the fight? It's their choice at the end of the day, no?
Well I think then we are moving more towards unregulated bare-knuckle-style fights. At some point athlete welfare trump their personal decision to fight, hence why we have governing bodies/sanctions and why fights and fight licences don't get sanctioned.
Of course, but it's their choice to put themselves in that position. It's a lot easier to facilitate 1 Vs 1 than team sports or sports which are individual in a tournament capacity.
I realise that safety is paramount in terms of the governing bodies (or should be), so that could be a stumbling block but its really a weigh up of risk since we know there have been deaths in both male and female boxing previously.
Agree but I don't think because of current poor management is an argument for why more unfair structures can be allowed.I don't necessarily disagree, I just think boxing is a little different as it's one of the few sports that exists where you can and do pick and choose opponents and you have an element of choice in that aspect (albeit having to consider title implications). On the other hand it is also one of the few sports where you have a legitimate chance of death every time you compete in it so that of course has to be taken into consideration.
If there are legitimate concerns about athlete welfare then the whole of boxing and combat sports needs to take further action in general as there is still very dangerous weight cutting and match-ups taking place, aswell as allowing people such as Chisora to keep fighting.
It's not a choice if none of the title belts are available if someone only want to fight biologically born females. Of all the sports where there could be a disadvantage I think boxing would be pretty much the highest on the list in terms of difference between genders.
You mentioned earlier that rules would have to be changed, but there's no mention of that at the moment and I can't see how they could change them without reintroducing a divide which would defeat the purpose anyway? It'll be interesting to see the outcome though, as I think there would have to be various rule changes to facilitate this down the line.
Agree but I don't think because of current poor management is an argument for why more unfair structures can be allowed.
Yes I agree but I don't think because some athletes will consent to fight natal males, this is acceptableOf course, but boxing is always going to be a sport with very high risk in any category and is only really possible to reduce that risk as much as possible.
The author of the article is on record saying they would be happy if all trans athletes replaced women athletes on podiums because it would "inspire trans kids".Article fails in the first sentence, I can't be arsed to read beyond that. Parkrun is both non-competitive and definitely competitive depending on the individual, each participant has their own motives. Very friendly and welcoming for everyone, I highly recommend it, whether fit to run or only walk, it doesn't matter, there will be others just like you. Join in and enjoy it.
As for records, there seems to be an awful lot of men telling women what to do, as a man I'm happy to let them decide.
I don't really care what his opinion is to be honest, as I said my own is to let the women of the organisations decide on their rules.The author of the article is on record saying they would be happy if all trans athletes replaced women athletes on podiums because it would "inspire trans kids".
I don't really care what his opinion is to be honest, as I said my own is to let the women of the organisations decide on their rules.
