At least somebody as stuck it to Real.
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At least somebody as stuck it to Real.
It's not a great bargaining position, but it's not entirely hopeless. Peres is up for reelection in 2017, and with Barcelona having just won the treble, there is some pressure on him to make a statement of intent in the current transfer window. DDG is the fan's no.1 transfer target, so I doubt if Peres will want to wait the extra year if he can avoid it.
This.
I'm not sure people understand negotiations, as we are negotiating with someone from a position of complete weakness.
1) Madrid have 2 keepers they are more than happy to keep for year
2) De Gea's contract is up in a year
3) We don't get any money to replace one of our best players if we don't agree on terms; lose face and money
It would sting to get so little for him, but ultimately, De Gea has played his cards right to get the move
If they get him for free, I think the fans would be fecking delighted.
I totally agree with you, we should take the money and invest it in the team.
Of course we should take the De Gea money, i dont want him here for another year when Cech and to an extend Lloris are avilable. Leno for sure is too.
People just want Real to see not getting the player, but thats childish. He will move a year later, there is nothing we can do about it even if we dont sell him now. We will always lose out to Real for Spanish/Latinamerican players. Take the money and move on.
People just want Real to see not getting the player, but thats childish. He will move a year later, there is nothing we can do about it even if we dont sell him now. We will always lose out to Real for Spanish/Latinamerican players. Take the money and move on.
Agreed. Madrid hold all the cards. I would rather like him to stay for another year and then lose him for free, but only if he wants to stay too. There is no point in forcing a player to stay, not to mention that such move could damage our reputation amongst our other possible targets in the future.
Also, I hope we deal fast with this goalkeeper situation, because Madrid can drag it for however long they want (they already have 2 good keepers), but we have to find a replacement. The truth is we are in shit position.
Maybe Woodward is just trolling them -- faxing unrealistic swap deals back and forward all day.
The Benzema tweets remind me of the Fabregas scenario a few years back. He doesn't want to come, they don't want to sell but we are going to hound him anyway.
but a year later he did move on so there was definitely something happening there. we wouldnt have wasted that amount of time and effort without serious encouragement.
That is insane. Honestly, i am suprised the caf isn't up at arms at not signing Khedeira. Another 'forgotten' man for Real Madrid i.e. Robben, Sjneider etc that will be a world class player for many years to come. Would have suited our midfield perfectly. Makes me wonder what the fek our transfer team is doing.
Not only that, but for very close to the bids that Moyes made, and everyone called "laughable".
Maybe, just maybe, he was sounded out & he laughed at the suggestion of coming to Manchester, over the Champions League finalists in Turin.
Doubt we'll sell de Gea for such a low price but he's in his last year & I reckon we might get someone in return.
One positive to take is that this time last year we would have struggled to have even hit the water.
I would have liked to have seen 50-100 pointless transfer tweets on Khedeira coming to United rather than them being wasted on players we are never going to sign i.e. Pogba, Ronaldo, Gundogan etc Atleast it would have given me faith that we are looking at the right direction.
Well I take your point that 'we' on here should probably have given Khedeira more time this summer & certainly that the very top player are not coming here but what we fans chat about & what the Club themselves are actually discussing, could be very different. I've got excited over McCarthy, because he's realistic.
That's it Woodward, give them shit back too. It's not as simple as just picking up a United player.
Would be funny if Woodie is just trolling them for a while.
Would be funny if Woodie is just trolling them for a while.
Aye, football can be funny at times
It's the lot of you that don't understand negotiations, negotiating strength is not determined by a single variable as many of you seem to claim. There's more to it, and how savvy our negotiator is also plays a part.
1. United have Valdes, so, we're not rushing this at all.
2. Real Madrid are competiting with Barca, can they afford another trophyless season? They have 2 highly paid dross between the sticks.
3. €25m is nothing to a club like United, De Gea for another season is worth more than €25m to us.
4. As long as we have Valdes, we can afford to drag this one out, until the very last minute of the window.
5. We definitely don't need €25m from Madrid to replace De Gea or to sign a new keeper, we're cash rich.
It's so funny that many of you think we should just hand them a player because he has one year left on his contract. It's not the way it works, the financial position of the seller and quality of the player in question are very important factors, the agent also has to play it well to keep both sides happy.
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This. Though I reckon Madrid would have us more than just €25, hell I'd wager €25 million wouldn't be enough. In fact, I think we'll settle around €35-40m.
I Don't see the point in selling him for peanuts since we of all clubs are in no need of money, I myself would rather hold onto him another season unless they gave us Carvajal
My thoughts exactly, the way people are going on here, you'd think we have no power whatsoever in this, it's a wrong assumption. If they can afford another season of Casillas being atrocious and playing second fiddle to Barca then good for them, people don't understand Spanish football and the rivalry and how things work there, that's why they keep saying Real Madrid can afford to wait, the truth is, they can't and won't. They'll pay up if we play the cards fine.
I saw what you did there @Stretch 
That would be lovely. Woodward winding up Madrid evey other day.
Getting a player like Benzema is the only way we should sell De Gea rather than lose him on a free. If we're looking at less than £20m, it's really not worth it. I'd rather keep him and finish higher in the table and guarantee CL qualification for 2016/2017, which is worth far more than £20m these days.
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Oh ffs!
I dont think anyone is arguing there is one single variable here, in fact the post you quoted has 3 very important and different variables. Also the logic of your points doesn't bear out to me as being logical or advisable.
1. United have Valdes, so, we're not rushing this at all - Not sure how important this is. I assume the point you are making is that we have a replacement so can wait until the final day and maximise our profit. Well it would mean we go through a pre-season not knowing our sarting line up and dont give the replacement time to bed in. Valdes may be our first choice keeper come 1st September but given his lack of games wouldn't you want him knowing this ASAP and playing all pre-season games to bed in with the defence. Especially since we are bound to be bringing in a first choice defender and right back so the more games together the better. The alternative is we dont play DDG in pre-season and Madrid figure out that we are planning for life without him so will low ball us.
2. Real Madrid are competiting with Barca, can they afford another trophyless season? They have 2 highly paid dross between the sticks. They won the CL the season before last and while Barca were great this season Madrid weren't exactly poor.
3. €25m is nothing to a club like United, De Gea for another season is worth more than €25m to us. Agreed here, the money is irrelevant but if DDG is to be replaced this season or next wouldn't you prefer its done when the likes of Cech and Lloris are potentially available? DDG is not going to see out his full career here so we should take our example of how difficult it was to replace Schmeichel and buy the bext players when they are available rather than when we have to.
4. As long as we have Valdes, we can afford to drag this one out, until the very last minute of the window. Same as the first point and again I am not sure it would be clever to wait so long with such a key position.
5. We definitely don't need €25m from Madrid to replace De Gea or to sign a new keeper, we're cash rich. Same as point 3 and if we all agree that money is irrelevant then isn't more that with his days numbered that we get an appropriate replacement?
Ultimately it seems DDG's head is turned and the ball is firmly in Madrid's court. What you mentioned might give us some leverage but i think it would only really grant us a moral victory and end up screwing us in terms of long term stability in the GK position.
@GBBQ long term stability is overrated in my opinion. We invested around €25 in De Gea to get that, hasn't worked, even though he has been terrific for us. So, I'm not bothered about long term stability, we have to make put down our feet on this one or allow this develop into a pattern. I think there are few goal keepers we can sign next season, there are 3 gk's in the Bundesliga who I think are/can be good enough for us, Handanovic is a good gk, Lloris is likely not moving anywhere anytime soon, I'm very calm about the GK situation, even though these guys might not be the superhuman GK that De Gea is, they are easily good enough and the first 3 have massive potentials to improve further. I think we have to stamp our feet on this one and be the bad boys for once, we are too nice and in business, it's not always good to operate that way.
With Netherlands opening yesterday does that mean we can complete the Memphis deal?
if it's domestic, shouldn't it be domestic Netherlands only?
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