Transfer Tweets - Summer 2015 | Stop Spamming - Discussion Should Relate to Tweets
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They can't ask for the rest if Di Maria and United didn't met the conditions.
LVG has not been quoted saying hes proud of the 4th best defence in the leauge. It is just a MEN peice, which in reality just means the club fobbed their phone call off with a no comment on transfers.
I agree.
Although I think that Laporte is better than any of our defenders while Stones at the moment is around Jones/Rojo level (at best). Potential wise, both should be better in a few years than our CBs.
I would be happy with either of them, but currently we need an experienced leader, not an another rookie.
Good for Ireland to have him back in the PL. I saw mention that he might have been bought as a LB rather than a winger, where he has played more of his football. Anyone know if that's the case?
Exactly, a lot are clammering for Stones, but he needs guidance, who is going to do that when they need guidance themselves. Stones has potential, but he isn't John Terry at the same age.
Pedro might be our last signing this summer, providing we actually get him..
I think a lot of you need to understand how much a better midfield will help our defence. They only variable really that exists is injuries. With Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Blind, McNair and Evans if he stays we are well stocked with CBs. Ramos interest was probably because of the DDG situation and if theres a chance at going after a WC player like him then we would be interested. I think barring a massive injury crisis we will be much improved at the back especially with a proper right back in Darmian.
There was a narrative established from Moyes's time and in the first half of last season that our defence needs a "leader" or whatever cliché term pundits use. When that's set, it's impossible to shake up. Souness was saying Barcelona needed a proper CB minutes after winning a freaking treble ffs! I am not comparing us to them but just using this as an example of how the combination of a narrative with a less than traditional defensive outlook leads to this hysteria.
Ball playing wise, we can improve on what we have but in that sense, only a Ramos or Hummels would be a clear upgrade. Anything else is just buying for the sake of buying.
We all knew his reputation for being nuts, like his whole attitude over Neuer, this would be our first sample of it.
I havent seen enough of Laporte to really comment on him Rev, but from what i've seen - he looks class alright man.
His buyout clause is one thing, but would he want to leave is the problem?! Money talks i guess & we could offer top wages for his services & we're not exactly a small club with low ambitions either.
I would hate to see us missing out on Stones though & especially seeing him joining Chelsea too. He's gonna be some player in the next couple of seasons - world class even & whatever club gets him - considering he's only 21, they'll get 10-15 top-class years service for their money.
The money paid now for Stones, same as the money we paid for Rio, would turn out to be a bargain.
Reckon we should sign both then Rev?
Laporte, Varane, Marquinhos, Stones would be all clear upgrades on ball playing abilities. Frankly speaking, Smalling is still bad in that aspect (despite his improvent from last season), Jones is average and Rojo is good but not great.
Hummels and Ramos (and Pique) would have been ideal cause they are world class defenders with fantastic passing ability. But, I guess that there exists the next best thing, so it shouldn't be them or no-one.
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I really see no basis to put Stone, Laporte or Marquinhos ahead of what we have apart from the usual over-hype of players we don't watch on a regular basis. Their teams do not concede less chances than we do, they haven't been around long enough to judge their consistency and none of them even had a stand out season. Varane is a strange one and I am on the fence with him but the others would be talked about in exactly the same vein as Smalling or Jones if they were our defenders IMO of course.
Even van Gaal isn't that insane.I think he may well stay.
I hope not, we just lumbered ourselves with one crap keeper, we don't need to keep this liability around with De Gea still here.
What attitude over Neuer?
What happened to Vertonghen/ Vermaelen? He used to be good!
Signing them both would be fantastic in long term. Imagine having two Rio, we would outpass the other teams to death in our defense.I havent seen enough of Laporte to really comment on him Rev, but from what i've seen - he looks class alright man.
His buyout clause is one thing, but would he want to leave is the problem?! Money talks i guess & we could offer top wages for his services & we're not exactly a small club with low ambitions either.
I would hate to see us missing out on Stones though & especially seeing him joining Chelsea too. He's gonna be some player in the next couple of seasons - world class even & whatever club gets him - considering he's only 21, they'll get 10-15 top-class years service for their money.
The money paid now for Stones, same as the money we paid for Rio, would turn out to be a bargain.
Reckon we should sign both then Rev?
I think that the ideal scenario is one experienced CB right now who is great and then next season one of Laporte/Stones to replace whichever CB we have who isn't as good as them.
Assuming that we won't get that experienced CB this summer, then Laporte now and Stones next season. I prefer Laporte niw cause he is currently better, more experienced and a left footer (Smalling/Jones are better than Rojo, although not by a big distance).
I agree that not getting Stones shouldn't be an option. If Chelsea goes all in for him, then we need to do it too. But ideally, he stays and develops there for an another season and then we get him.
Vermaelen is new Hargreaves, Vertongen apparently was an one season hit. Both fantastic with the ball though.
The biggest difference is what we were talking about yesterday as regards playing ethos. We have a manager that wants CB's to be good on the ball and start moves from the back, Jones and Smalling are both crap on the ball, the 3 listed are all very good on the ball, so they fit the style the manager is trying to implement better than the ones here.
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Made up to be a participating muppet (although have obviously missed quite a bit already).
Made up to be a participating muppet (although have obviously missed quite a bit already).
And left footed, which seems to be important.
The fact Stones favours his right is why we likely won't bid for him.
He didn't want Bayern to buy him as he wanted to use the back-up keeper Kraft who was nowhere near good enough, it would have been like Fergie kicking out VdS and playing Foster.
He didn't wanted Neuer, but nothing special other then that. He acted like an idiot with Butt though, benching him for Kraft(?).
I think when SAF bought Smalling and Jones he thought he was buying to replace Rio/Vidic. That Smalling would be this ball playing out of defence CB and Jones would be the get stuck in CB. Trouble is Smalling isn't that good on the ball, even though I think he is a good defender. Jones does get stuck in but doesn't always get his brain in gear first.
He would have need a control to an optometrist, if that was the base. Smalling was never going to be a ball playing CB.
He has some similarities with Rio (both good at defending, both tall but pacey) but on ball playing abilities, Smalling was always from awful to mediocre.
No. Rewatch his first season with us and his time at Fulham. He was very capable on the ball.
I remember from our first season that he was very good (arguably even better than last season) as a CB, but on ball playing ability, he was never good.
Perhaps you're mistaken him with Evans who was very good in the ball until last season when he decided to pass the ball to opponents?
The same goes for jones when he first came.
So what really happened to their ball playing abilities ?
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I really understand all of that but I just don't share the view that Smalling and Jones are that bad on the ball. I think that when our midfield and full backs started moving well off the ball and positioning themselves the way LvG wants, there suddenly appeared more passing options and those two handled themselves quite well. With Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and Carrick, this can only get better which is why I don't see a reason why our CB won't improve in that aspect with another season of intensive coaching. We can't underestimate the difference coaching can make and remember that those guys have never been used to that. I remember reading a story about Martin Keown when Wenger arrived to Arsenal and how he thought it was insane that he was asked to bring the ball out of the back instead of working more on traditional defensive duties as he was used to. I understand that this might not be that relevant but I am just trying to make the point about how we underestimate players ability to adapt if coached properly. The second part of last season gives me a clear indication that this is a strong possibility with our CBs.
As I said before, if we're getting the best at the business in terms of ball playing, then fair enough. But if we're getting a small if any upgrade, I really don't see why we just don't work with what we have
Nothing, you can be the best ball playing CB but you still need the right movement to create space and open up passing opportunities to find. We had a rigid midfield and played with straight lines for so long now. When we started moving better towards the end of last year, Smalling suddenly looked better, it was not a coincidence.
Coaching is all well and good but there has to be something there to build on and IMO there isn't with Smalling in particular, I have rarely seen a player who looks more awkward on the ball than he is, like he's scared of it. As for Jones, he is slightly better but his coordination and general lack of brains is a big issue, he's positionally poor and to me will never be a ball playing CB. I also would argue the 3 listed aren't just minor upgrades in the ball playing department, they are pretty significantly better.
Get on it Woody!
What a waste of a notification.
Ay fair enough mate. Can't really argue further as that's simply a matter of judgement. From what I saw of the aforementioned three, I got the impression that it's pretty much standard promising players which is what I would call our lot. We'll just have to wait and see what LvG does I suppose as it doesn't look like we're signing Ramos.
That's cool, I think it just depends on the definition of promising and obviously that varies from person to person. I actually get the feeling we'll be seeing Blind as a starting CB this season, some seem to keep denying it as just something tinkered with in pre season, but I can see him playing there come the Spurs game.
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