Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2023/24

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andersj said:
FFP will obviously not be a big issue for Man Utd this summer.
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Why obviously? They're way above the threshold and always are.

Yes, you can't do kamikaze spending like city and Chelsea have in the past. But United have plenty to work with to do the necessary deals.

The introduction of FFP was a Glazer dream. A perfect excuse which lets them use a vary of "no value in the market" but spin it like they're being sensible. They're not. They're just tight.
 
Sassy Colin said:
And yet, if was reported, that Chelsea can spend £200M without any issues.

These people literally haven't got a fecking clue and make stuff up to suit an agenda. They also have a lot of space to fill up every day and there simply isn't enough news to fill that space up with.
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Players like Maguire, AWB and Varane are fully depreciated. The salary of Varane and Martial will be off our books. And even if we will have to take a hit offloading players like Sancho and van de Beek a pure profit from player sales on others is likely to offset that (Greenwood, Pellistri?). In other words, the salary and depreciation of these too will likely be off our books.

It probably amount to a yearly cost surpassing £100 mill. A player at a fee of £50 mill and £200k a week cost the club £20 mill a year.
 
Imo we should offload as many as possible of Lindelof, Maguire, Rashford, Pellistri, Antony, Sancho, Greenwood and Casemiro - if we manage to do that, we will have a lot to spend. I would prefer that we keep McTominay and AWB unless we fail to offload a lot of the other players.

Regardless - we should build our new side around the following players : Dalot (he has actually convinced me this season), Martinez, Hojlund, Garnacho and Mainoo
 
andersj said:
Players like Maguire, AWB and Varane are fully depreciated. The salary of Varane and Martial will be off our books. And even if we will have to take a hit offloading players like Sancho and van de Beek a pure profit from player sales on others is likely to offset that (Greenwood, Pellistri?). In other words, the salary and depreciation of these too will likely be off our books.

It probably amount to a yearly cost surpassing £100 mill. A player at a fee of £50 mill and £200k a week cost the club £20 mill a year.
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The 300m being put in, while it's going towards facilities, can be used to offset FFP commitments as well.

He's talking about Covid when the year of games behind closed doors will be outside the three year window, come the Summer won't it which was causing is major issues the last two windows.

Obviously, we'll have to sell and won't be buying 5 or 6 top class players, hence the you can't do a city, It's a steady process quote but I don't see us being hugely hamstrung.
 
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JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo said:
All FFP talk from Ducker is being fed to him. I get the feeling we are trying to box clever in negotiations from here on in
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This is one of those fictions in football, cry poor, so you dont pay much .

And then we end up paying:
  • Antony 86m
  • Hojlund 72m
  • Onana 47m
  • Mount 55m
  • Martinez 55m
  • Casemiro 60m
  • Sancho 73m
  • Maguire 80m
Crying poor does not help us when negotiating transfer fees, it been proven so many times before.

If this trend stops this summer, it will be because of Barrada and Ashforth will be doing the negotiating and will know when to stop trying to buy a player at all cost, instead of classic old United keep increasing the offers until we get to a number where the selling club can not believe the amount of money we are offering per player. Take Antony and Fred for example.
 
Vidooq said:
This is one of those fictions in football, cry poor, so you dont pay much .

And then we end up paying:
  • Antony 86m
  • Hojlund 72m
  • Onana 47m
  • Mount 55m
  • Martinez 55m
  • Casemiro 60m
  • Sancho 73m
  • Maguire 80m
Crying poor does not help us when negotiating transfer fees, it been proven so many times before.

If this trend stops this summer, it will be because of Barrada and Ashforth will be doing the negotiating and will know when to stop trying to buy a player at all cost, instead of classic old United keep increasing the offers until we get to a number where the selling club can not believe the amount of money we are offering per player. Take Antony and Fred for example.
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Our previous CEO once said publicly we could do things in the market other teams could only dream off. That came to bite him in his arse and his apprentices arse. You just showed me some of the evidence. He's not here any more l, neither soon, will be his apprentices
 
Barnslig said:
How does Chelsea get bought and instantly spend 1b pounds? Wouldn't SJR be able to put some money in that we could use on transfers?
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Chelsea got away with it by using 8 year contract lengths to spread the cost over, the rules have been changed to put a 5 year maximum but it's not retrospective.

No one else now, can do what Chelsea did.
 
foolsgold said:
Chelsea got away with it by using 8 year contract lengths to spread the cost over, the rules have been changed to put a 5 year maximum but it's not retrospective.

No one else now, can do what Chelsea did.
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No I get that, they've still bought a bucket load of players on credit. They have to pay that off for the next 8 years (or player sale, I guess). Millions and millions per year * amount of players. How is that not affecting their FFP spending? Or how can their owners inject their own money without issue?
 
Barnslig said:
No I get that, they've still bought a bucket load of players on credit. They have to pay that off for the next 8 years (or player sale, I guess). Millions and millions per year * amount of players. How is that not affecting their FFP spending? Or how can their owners inject their own money without issue?
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I think it does effect their ffp. You'll see they'll be heavily restricted in what they can do moving forward and have to hope the bought players work out. The other thing is, they haven't given out insanely high weekly wages like we usually do, so may have a slightly easier time shifting some of these players.
 
Barnslig said:
No I get that, they've still bought a bucket load of players on credit. They have to pay that off for the next 8 years (or player sale, I guess). Millions and millions per year * amount of players. How is that not affecting their FFP spending? Or how can their owners inject their own money without issue?
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Part of it is they are not in Europe. Uefa has stricter guidelines vs the PL too
 
Vidooq said:
This is one of those fictions in football, cry poor, so you dont pay much .

And then we end up paying:
  • Antony 86m
  • Hojlund 72m
  • Onana 47m
  • Mount 55m
  • Martinez 55m
  • Casemiro 60m
  • Sancho 73m
  • Maguire 80m
Crying poor does not help us when negotiating transfer fees, it been proven so many times before.

If this trend stops this summer, it will be because of Barrada and Ashforth will be doing the negotiating and will know when to stop trying to buy a player at all cost, instead of classic old United keep increasing the offers until we get to a number where the selling club can not believe the amount of money we are offering per player. Take Antony and Fred for example.
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Then you look at Barcelona, who will spend the next 4 months saying they need to sell FDJ, Lewandowski, and Araujo to keep the lights on. Come September they'll have sold one squad player and hijacked the top targets of six European heavyweights, with a new Brazilian wonderkid signed for good measure.

I'm not saying crying poor alone will get you a good deal, but having something you can point to when you're explaining your best and final offer helps. Berrada and Ashworth working through an actual plan with contingencies will be a much bigger factor though.
 
didz said:
Then you look at Barcelona, who will spend the next 4 months saying they need to sell FDJ, Lewandowski, and Araujo to keep the lights on. Come September they'll have sold one squad player and hijacked the top targets of six European heavyweights, with a new Brazilian wonderkid signed for good measure.

I'm not saying crying poor alone will get you a good deal, but having something you can point to when you're explaining your best and final offer helps. Berrada and Ashworth working through an actual plan with contingencies will be a much bigger factor though.
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Yeah, this is where I'm hoping that we can save a few million and that we won't go for a player at all costs. City did it with Sanchez, Maguire, and lastly, Rice. Granted, it's easier when you have a 90% assembled squad to pick and choose. I truly believe that this will be the ultimate test for Barrada and the likes, as the conditions they will work under will be nothing like their job posts from before.
 
didz said:
Then you look at Barcelona, who will spend the next 4 months saying they need to sell FDJ, Lewandowski, and Araujo to keep the lights on. Come September they'll have sold one squad player and hijacked the top targets of six European heavyweights, with a new Brazilian wonderkid signed for good measure.

I'm not saying crying poor alone will get you a good deal, but having something you can point to when you're explaining your best and final offer helps. Berrada and Ashworth working through an actual plan with contingencies will be a much bigger factor though.
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Yes but Barcelona have taken extreme measures which could come back and bite them in the ass in a few years.
 


Crimson King said:
The Muppetiers guy has been linking us with this player since early summer, looks like the mainstream media is starting to catch on.

Apparently he puts up some impressive stats for progressive passing.
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But he's also an injury prone from what I've heard
 
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Crimson King said:
The Muppetiers guy has been linking us with this player since early summer, looks like the mainstream media is starting to catch on.

Apparently he puts up some impressive stats for progressive passing.
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I think he's just a player we've been following since his days in South America. Gary Neville even mentioned him as an ideal signing while Ole was manager. I think Palacios had barely a season in Germany at that point.
 
didz said:
I think he's just a player we've been following since his days in South America. Gary Neville even mentioned him as an ideal signing while Ole was manager. I think Palacios had barely a season in Germany at that point.
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Exactly, and the whole story started from the Daily Mail with a speculative link to Palacios. I doubt that SPORTBILD are reporting their own info here; they're most likely just referring to "reports from England" or something to that effect.
 
After reading some headlines in the tabloids - we either will struggle with FFP this summer, or want to spend £200 million on Vinicius. That should cover all bases at least
 
Barnslig said:
How does Chelsea get bought and instantly spend 1b pounds? Wouldn't SJR be able to put some money in that we could use on transfers?
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They found a "loop-hole", hence all these 47 year contracts, but that was taken away pretty quickly. They'll need to sell to buy still, but they have traditionally and continue to be very good at getting value when selling.

But they've only pushed the can down the road, these new UEFA FFP rules that are coming up, they are very much on the red side of, but so are alot of people.

Take a look at the Mount sale alone, if that was us he goes for 15m. Mount's 55m would represent our 3rd highest sale in the last 10 years (only narrowly losing 2nd place to Di Maria). Whereas it's only top 3 for in the last 5 with them.

In the last ten years, we've had accumulated sales of over 50m euro three times (2015-100m, 2020-81m, 2023-55m) in that same time Chelsea haven't had 1 under 50 with several >100m. For example last year’s 269m, a huge outlier, alone is greater than our last 6 years of sales combined.

Chelsea might be a disaster zone but the reason they have more room in FFP than us (on the face of it, I'm not sure how much I believe either the "400m warchest or "we are skint" narratives), is simply by being able to sell well more than anything else.
 
pascell said:
We definitely need the CL money to stand a chance of improving the squad.
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CL money or not will have an impact on any season not just the next one. What’s clear is that SJR is looking to put a structure in place that allows us to build solid foundations to move forward. Vision and proper planning. The extra CL revenue allows greater room to move for sure. Either way though we will strengthen in the summer remember he’s putting the extra capital in. Which is something the Glazers have never done and this helps hugely.
As for Chelsea the Saudi sales helped them dramatically without they were in trouble even after selling Mount early on. They need to keep turning over home grown players to keep the insane spend. But the need success soon either way.
 
mazhar13 said:
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True or not, it’s absolutely no harm that we’re spreading the perception that transfer money will be limited this summer.

Compare that measured approach to Woodward and his “things others can only dream of” bollocks that set us down the road of being taken for mugs to begin with.
 
diarm said:
True or not, it’s absolutely no harm that we’re spreading the perception that transfer money will be limited this summer.

Compare that measured approach to Woodward and his “things others can only dream of” bollocks that set us down the road of being taken for mugs to begin with.
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It seems United's fan base have pretty short memories because you can pull similar articles for transfer window for past couple of years atleast .
 
pascell said:
We definitely need the CL money to stand a chance of improving the squad.
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Of course we don't - but it helps.

First we have Greenwood - he will either greatly improve the squad - or we can easily sell him for £30-40 million
No matter how poor Sancho has been - there are clubs who will want to sign him for £25-30 million
Maguire and Lindelöf are both worst £15-20 million easily
Casemiro - we should also be able to get £15-20 million for
If we sell Hannibal and Pellistri - that should be £25-30 million extra
Eriksen, V.d Beek and Martial will free up £500.000 a week from the wage budget when they leave

If we offload those players (and take into consideration how much our wage budget will be reduced) - we should be able to sign players for close to £200 million - even without C.L - and none of those who left will weaken our first 11 more than marginally in their current form.

That leaves us with Onana and Altay
Dalot, Malacia, Varana, Martinez, AWB, Shaw and Evans (at least 1 CB in and 1 full back)
Mainoo, Bruno, Mount, McTominay (2 quality midfielders in)
Garnacho, Antony (noone will buy him anyway), Rashford, Hojlund and Diallo (1 winger and 1 striker in)

We then need to sign a minimum of 4 new players - realistically more like 5-6 - that is possible if we start signing the right players rather than expensive players
 
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