Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2023/24

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I saw Greenwood as a player I could buy on PS4 today. Maybe it is true, he will be back. I hope he has continue to work on his game and better player.
 
Judas said:
We’ve handled it poorly with the drip drip dragging of it.
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Pretty obvious that the club is still rudderless and run by clowns. ETH is the only reason any positive decisions are being made at present.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
Does seem like they're paving the way back for Greenwood. I think it things had stayed as they were after this had come out, then there would have been no way back, but with his partner seemingly forgiving whatever happened (I say whatever as we only had a fraction of the available information) and him having a kid with her etc., I can't really justify condemning him forever. People can change and since I don't know exactly what happened, I have to assume that he's changed and move on. I would accept him back in the side, but wouldn't celebrate his achievements as that would feel too weird, just those of the club.
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TRIGGER WARNING: Transcript of SA


Mason: Move your fecking legs up!

*******: No! I don't want to have sex!

M: I don't give a feck what you want, you little shit.

H: Mason!

M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop!

H: Stop putting your dick near me.

M: I'm going to feck you, you twat!

H: I don't want to have sex with you!

M: I don't care if you don't want fecking sex with me, do you hear me?

H: Why do you have to do this, though?

M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it!

H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?)

M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do?

H: Then go and feck someone else.

M: I don't want to feck someone else!

H: You do.

M: No I don't.

M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you.

H: No.

M: Well, you will actually.

Someone can have changed but I want this person nowhere near our club. It’s a spit in the face of our female fans and anyone who has been abused or who has had to deal with it.
 
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Dazzmondo said:
It's going to happen, club have made the decision, some people will be annoyed, others will get over it. Delaying it further won't change anything. Just make the decision, announce it, and face the ramifications.
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‘Annoyed’ feels like quite a diminishing term to use.
 
feck anyone at the club who is even considering bringing him back. If he comes back, ETH can feck off too.. right away.
 
Isn't ETH a advocate for bringing him back ? if so, like the poster above said, he can do one.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
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The signs were pointing to a comeback because if they were getting rid of him they would have done it many months ago with minimal "consultations" as that is by far the popular choice.

All I want is to know what "new evidence" came to light that got prosecutors to drop all charges because that is what is giving the club the "out" to bring him back.
 
friendlytramp said:
Greenwood’s not coming back. They can’t just cancel his contract as they’d end up being sued and they can’t just keep paying him. They will reintegrate him into the squad to get him up to fitness so he can be sold or go on loan.

The biggest clue was the squad number announcement and the specific reference to Garnacho’s shirt number potentially changing depending on sales. With Hojlund taking Fred’s 17, the only number he would be after is 11.
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Garnacho has a very high / highest squad number so will probably get a lower one. Doesn’t need to be 11 though. Club doesn’t want fans to buy his shirt before a potential number change.
Regarding bringing Greenwood back I just hope the club and he are aware what’s coming our way. It won’t just be for a few games or a brief period. It will get mentioned regularly. United fans + oppo fans booing him, I can even see some oppo players refusing to shake his hand, etc.
Not impossible, but I will be very surprised if his return turns out a success.
 
People who think that the decision to bring him back will be moved on from reasonably quickly are vastly underestimating the world we now live in.
This will be a public relations disaster at best and at worst has the potential to derail our season completely. It will be much more than simply some booing at away games and it’s likely to gather momentum until the club has no choice but to reverse the decision.
 
Giggsyking said:
He has been added in our official game partner efootball. Konami removed him when we suspended him, today he has ben added back. I think this is an indication that the club and the sponsors have already made a decision.
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I noticed that after the Live Update on Thursday, I thought it was just Konami being brave or an oversight but with them being an official partner I didn't click that they might have had the go ahead from the club already.
 
careca07 said:
People who think that the decision to bring him back will be moved on from reasonably quickly are vastly underestimating the world we now live in.
This will be a public relations disaster at best and at worst has the potential to derail our season completely. It will be much more than simply some booing at away games and it’s likely to gather momentum until the club has no choice but to reverse the decision.
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If they announce it before international break it'll be over with by the end of September. Story fatigue is a real thing and I can guarantee that the second he starts playing, some.fan will overplay their hand and say something racist or there will be a death threat, then the story changes completely.
 
Stobzilla said:
If they announce it before international break it'll be over with by the end of September. Story fatigue is a real thing and I can guarantee that the second he starts playing, some.fan will overplay their hand and say something racist or there will be a death threat, then the story changes completely.
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The announcement will be a story, maybe that dies down. But what about his first training appearance? That will be a story. His first game? That will be another huge story. His first goal, huge story. Every time ‘greenwood’s first … since being charged with sexual and physical assault.
 
Stobzilla said:
If they announce it before international break it'll be over with by the end of September. Story fatigue is a real thing and I can guarantee that the second he starts playing, some.fan will overplay their hand and say something racist or there will be a death threat, then the story changes completely.
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The story is not going away. The boos, etc. won’t stop even if other events (to quote you such as death threats) happen.
 
I think people underestimate the duty of care that Manchester United the institution will feel towards a young man that they have played a major part in bringing into adulthood.

As fans we only think about the playing side etc, but having had involvement with clubs, they play a major role in young players lives and will want to do whatever possible to support them to become good people with prospects outside of just football. There will be reticence to just let him go from that angle as well and the club will potentially feel that he deserves a second chance and can be supported to rehabilitate his character.

Anyway, I apologise for continuing the derailing of the thread.
 
macheda14 said:
The announcement will be a story, maybe that dies down. But what about his first training appearance? That will be a story. His first game? That will be another huge story. His first goal, huge story. Every time ‘greenwood’s first … since being charged with sexual and physical assault.
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And if he scores two weeks in a row? The story will go away, it always does.
 
united_99 said:
The story is not going away. The boos, etc. won’t stop even if other events (to quote you such as death threats) happen.
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Then the club shifts the narrative to those "fans" being complicit in racist messaging and death threats. Modern football is cynical as feck and the club will know exactly what they need to do to minimise the impact.
 
Dannn411 said:
The signs were pointing to a comeback because if they were getting rid of him they would have done it many months ago with minimal "consultations" as that is by far the popular choice.

All I want is to know what "new evidence" came to light that got prosecutors to drop all charges because that is what is giving the club the "out" to bring him back.
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probably because they were still meeting up throughout the entire ordeal, despite the police categorically telling her not to, then her dad randomly came out and defended him, oh and then she got pregnant and decided to get engaged to him.
I reckon that might have something to do with it..
 
Can’t believe after all the progress made, moves in the right direction, completely reforming the squad - it looks like we’re prepared to jeopardise it all for that Cnut
 
macheda14 said:
You’re right. But part of me doesn’t want to because of how many posters are so blind to the issue and are or have become SA apologists. It needs reminding what he did and said. Constantly.
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What is insane is people's main argument is we don't know the context or the whole story, like there's any context where that's an acceptable way to behave and not be judged on.
 
macheda14 said:
No opposition fan will let it. I hope you don’t let it. No one should let it.
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It will die down, but he will have to live with it as long as he plays football. Other players have done it and he will too.

What I find a bit annoying is them not just ripping off the plaster and get on with it. It’s going to be reactions anyway you play this.
 
Lash said:
What is insane is people's main argument is we don't know the context or the whole story, like there's any context where that's an acceptable way to behave and not be judged on.
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Quite honestly the only way this could be turned on it’s head is if they both come out and say ‘we practice consensual non consensual sex and impact play and here are the texts and recordings to prove that this was all part of our kink/fetish play’. Quite literally the only way.
 
macheda14 said:
You’re right. But part of me doesn’t want to because of how many posters are so blind to the issue and are or have become SA apologists. It needs reminding what he did and said. Constantly.
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Which is why I'd imagine he'll have to do something more than just an explanatory interview and releasing family photos (and even allow the club to brief around his going to counselling). Some kind of community work, like players who have been caught engaged in discriminatory behaviour (except Suarez) would be appropriate. But I think there's enough doubt about the circumstances raised, doubt raised by the witness, in terms of physical assault and the remainder of the charges, when we can be nuanced; we've had other players engaged in misogynistic conduct towards partners or women they met in clubs, with questionable lines of consent, and nothing more than a brief tabloid furore emerges, so if similar conduct is all that can be established, one has to ask - where's the difference?

I'm not even sure MG is going to be effective as a player anymore, or at least any time soon, and regardless of whether he is or not I wouldn't raise issues around his being loaned out long-term or sold: honestly just think its disquieting the extent to which this is turned into a pile-on, singling-out or scapegoating even after there have been briefs -and statements from the accuser herself - of counterevidence. I also think there's a lot of prurience about this, people enjoying this details of assault in ways which are almost pornographic, quite honestly. That's not a new thing, but I think social media amps it up more than Victorian hysterias or cause celebres back in the day.

On a perhaps less high-minded level, as a fan I'm also annoyed about how players at other clubs can admit to unsolicited sexual contact in leaked texts and essentially say 'but you can't prove it' , not be suspended when they're being charged, get away on technicalities, and just carry on playing without any kind of public reckoning. Or high-profile players commit statutory rape and blackmail, get away on technicalities (or suspended sentences for blackmail around teenage prostitute rings) and have this whitewashed, and play for huge Spanish /German clubs. That's not to give MG or united players licence; just that we could be stringent in terms of applying principles, in terms of suspensions when charged, carrying out public atonement and ability to play when acquitted or however we draw the standard. It's as if being a United player and salacious av evidence which hasn't been examined in a court of law automatically lowers the threshold for pre-emptive punishment or for any reintegration ..
 
Stobzilla said:
I know what he's done, he gets a second go. I don't have to like him.
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If you know what he’s done and you don’t like it I sure hope you voice your disapproval at the games.

‘He gets a second go’ at being a multi-millionaire world footballer.
 
macheda14 said:
Quite honestly the only way this could be turned on it’s head is if they both come out and say ‘we practice consensual non consensual sex and impact play and here are the texts and recordings to prove that this was all part of our kink/fetish play’. Quite literally the only way.
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Don't think they would have to release recordings etc. If they came out and said the first part of your message that's fine. At the end of the day it's their lives, not ours. They can choose what they want to do.
 
macheda14 said:
If you know what he’s done and you don’t like it I sure hope you voice your disapproval at the games.

‘He gets a second go’ at being a multi-millionaire world footballer.
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Yes, that's the way it works.

I don't need to vocalise my displeasure, I'm a victim of sexual assault, I quietly forgave my attacker over time and I will do the same with MG.
 
Have to say how irritating it will be when the furore hits us with MG, while a certain other player in a certain other team is still playing every week on bail for rape charges, just because they superinjunctioned it
 
Stobzilla said:
Then the club shifts the narrative to those "fans" being complicit in racist messaging and death threats. Modern football is cynical as feck and the club will know exactly what they need to do to minimise the impact.
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I have no doubt there will be a lot of narrative shifting going on as there is already happening, but no matter how much the narrative shifts, his disgusting vile actions / the audio recording will always be there. And people can get fecked with their “new evidence” which took 1 year to come out at a time when she was expecting his baby. Everyone with just one brain cell would know what this means. If it was a fake recording or anything similar, Greenwood and his team would have said something immediately/days/weeks after.
For his return to be successful, he needs Beckham and Ronaldo’s combined strong mentality, the club to always support him regardless of endless protests / damage to their image and reputation and for all of this to be even remotely “worth it” Greenwood needs to be highly successful. The chances of even 1 of these things happening are almost zero, let alone of all these 3 things happening.
Anyway I am out of this discussion now until an official announcement.
 
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