Wish Martial was going there
Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2023/24
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Wish Martial was going there
I have no idea why we left it so late with our decision on him
Not just that. If you are unable to make corporate decisions, you shouldn’t be part of top management of a large corporate entity. “Stay” or “Let go”, but the decision must have been made months ago
I get it's complicated and all. But it's been so long now. Just make the call and face the music. Having this hang over the team and the club after the season starts is just dumb.
It's really not that complicated to speak to some 40+ male and female players and a few sponsors ....
The majority will be pro getting him back - and then there will be some players (mainly female understandably) who are opposed. And no matter what they decide to do - there will be angry voices. If they keep him - there will be some fans and players who feel United have ignored morals to get a good player back. If they let him go - there will be tons of fans who feel United have been idiots for giving a potential world-class striker to a rival (for a bargain) - for something he wasn't convicted of.
This really shouldn't come to a surprise for the people in charge - and they have had more than enough time to decide how they want to solve this
But how is it complicated? I really don't believe its that complicated if i'm honest. From your private investigation, did he do it or did he not do it? If he did it, there's not much else to say you let him go. Simple decision. You don't have to worry about competitive edge because he'd be too poisonous to touch from a PR perspective.
The only reason this has taken this long is because the club is planning on bringing him back because he's a good talent and are looking to please everyone while doing it. Newsflash. That will never happen. There is literally nothing that the club will do in this situation in which everybody will be happy. So make a fecking decision and be done with it.
Too many cowards running around in suits at big organisations. If you can't take public scrutiny why are you running a big organisation? If they made the decision at the beginning of the summer it would have long been drowned put by other things and most people would largely have moved on.
The only reason this has taken this long is because the club is planning on bringing him back because he's a good talent and are looking to please everyone while doing it. Newsflash. That will never happen. There is literally nothing that the club will do in this situation in which everybody will be happy. So make a fecking decision and be done with it.
Too many cowards running around in suits at big organisations. If you can't take public scrutiny why are you running a big organisation? If they made the decision at the beginning of the summer it would have long been drowned put by other things and most people would largely have moved on.
I think the angry voices if he leaves will eventually quieten down.
Whereas the angry voices if he stays will be loud and unceasing.
Good post this. Completely agree
No mention allowed of He Who Must Not Be Named. Our mods would prefer it if we don't discuss it until he's named on a team sheet (and presumably even then...)
Whilst this really should have been resolved by now, the process sounds quite rigorous. It sounds like Arnold is getting as wide a view as possible on the impact before making a decision, which is right when dealing with such an issue.
The hatred the women’s team will get from the thousands of Greenwood fanboys/misogynists if it’s seen as if they blocked his return will not be pretty
In fairness he should have only consulted ten Hag and sponsors
Pay his remaining contract up and release him. That is the only way out of this that works. He’s free to play on IF he can find a club prepared to take the flak that will come with him. United will have behaved according to employment law in that he is treated as his legal not guilty status demands.
finding a new club might seem like it will be no-brainer, but I wonder if in reality a lot of clubs might not want to risk the likely furore from their fan base
finding a new club might seem like it will be no-brainer, but I wonder if in reality a lot of clubs might not want to risk the likely furore from their fan base
It would be stupidity. If he is to be let go, SELL HIM
from an ethical perspective I think selling him isn’t the right thing to do.
With good reason.
We are cowards delaying the decision and that's all down to that stuff which came out earlier
We need to do what is good for the club. There are 2 solutions:
1) re-integrate him in the first team
2) sell for as much as we can get
The majority of fans (and vast majority of fans abroad) have a very clear opinion of what should be done, and everyone understands what this opinion is.
I'm 99% certain he's coming back into the fold, unfortunately.
There are more than two as I have already pointed out. We have to do what is right for everyone involved
Such substance doesn’t exist. Whatever you do can’t be right for everyone, but it can be right for the club.
There's seemingly a lot of amnesia about what other footballers have not only been accused of but been proven to have done in court - major ones like Benzema and Ribery spring to mind, but there have been others. MG's former accuser is marrying him - they've just had a child. A statement, some photos of the happy family and anywhere outside of the UK, it's done, no-one will mention it by the end of the month. Even in the UK, there are players I won't mention (but many of us will know who) acquitted on technicalities, from whose private phones records were leaked indicating they'd carried out what they themselves recognized the accuser deemed non-consensual sexual activity but that accuser merely couldn't prove it was non-consensual. These players still play in the league; they weren't even suspended.
If he's half-fit and looks like he'll get some of his sharpness back, MG finds a top club. People can find that distasteful or not, but it's the truth, - bear in mind, asserting that the allegations are true and taking that as the baseline for subsequent judgments (setting aside where this assertion stands legally; I'm not a lawyer, but maybe someone can advise on the scope of libel and defamation) is de facto accusing the erstwhile accuser of being a liar.
If we restrict it to things which are less contended -i.e infidelity and verbal abuse, then MG can obviously offer contrition, the evidence of having repaired his relationship and (implicitly) the precedent that lots of footballers have been caught engaging in both without being hounded out of their clubs. That doesn't mean I'm unequivocally convinced about innocence - just that we're not in the kind of position to argue either way that people signalling how much they hate him and don't want to be associated with an abuser (note, no caveat, to alleged) maintain we are, and hence that conviction is fairly irrelevant...
It absolutely is. Obviously he should never play for us again. But, there is no ethical reason the club should suffer for something that wasn't their fault. Sell him, and if others decide to play him then that's their issue. We've done our bit and got rid.
The fact that the club are even considering his return is pathetic.
He is probably still coming back. But if not, then those thousands of Greenwood fans are most welcome to feck off and stop supporting the club. The club will be better off without them.
The club suffered financially from the Covid 19 lockdown which wasn't their fault. Maybe they should have done what's right for the club and put up season tickets by 30% to get that lost money back?
They didn't do that, they chose to take the hit and even paid employees who they didn't legally have to pay if I recall correctly.
How much do you honestly think a club will pay for him BTW? How do you see that negotiation going?
Why couldn't they have done this months ago for crying out loud? Just keep him or sell him, instead of letting it drag like this.
Grow some balls and make a decision already. Let him get back to work whether it's at United or someplace else.
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This appears to be a local media outlet, so there may be some legs in this, but I'll wait for more reliable journalists/outlets to report on this.
Nope, have to sell him in that scenario. Plenty of teams across Europe would be happy to have a talent like Mason. For better or worse, some countries and cultures are a bit less triggered by this stuff than others.
That's apples and oranges. In that case the club chose not to punish the fans by putting up prices. Selling Greenwood to a willing club is a legitimate and ethical transaction. If anything, just cancelling his contract punishes the fans and the club by reducing our balance sheet and transfer potential.
The " Pile On " crew are on standby just waiting for their moment.
He is obviously going to be brought back into the squad and they are just trying to figure out the best way to deal with the flack that will come their way.
He is obviously going to be brought back into the squad and they are just trying to figure out the best way to deal with the flack that will come their way.
For better or worse, some cultures just operate on the basis of legal decisions and court rulings
Some of the comments re the Greenwood situation seem a bit of overreacting.
To start it's assuming what we see on Twitter is either up to date or accurate information (dangerous leap to make in a lot of cases), and second it minimized the insane amount of work that goes into personnel matters like this. Anyone who ever dealt with it at their jobs knows that its not as easy as 1,2,3. I can't even imagine the additional magnitude of dealing with it in a place like Manchester United where all sorts of sensitivities, legalities, PR and public interests need to be weighed to the umpteenth degree.
To start it's assuming what we see on Twitter is either up to date or accurate information (dangerous leap to make in a lot of cases), and second it minimized the insane amount of work that goes into personnel matters like this. Anyone who ever dealt with it at their jobs knows that its not as easy as 1,2,3. I can't even imagine the additional magnitude of dealing with it in a place like Manchester United where all sorts of sensitivities, legalities, PR and public interests need to be weighed to the umpteenth degree.
Yeah, there's some truth to this, of course, both in terms of twitter and the HR/personnel elements. But I'd stake good money that had something analogous happened at Chelsea, say, under RA, this would have been dealt with much quicker; maybe even at City, despite slightly different ownership structure. Clarity of leadership from the very top, (or its lack, in our case), starting with ownership, manifests itself in all these different ways, not just in sales - or in (not)selling the club.
Do Inter still want a striker?
We should offer him to them for 25-30m + a large-ish sell on fee.
Really should be moving on from this.
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