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sparx99 said:
Well, we know the Bundesliga has a habit of making attacking players look better than they are. Just look at Kagawa, Mkhitaryan, Sancho, Timo Werner, Luka Jovic. Even Weghorst scored at a decent clip over there.

Are people really convinced that Kolo Muani at 24 years old has suddenly figured it out? He signed for Frankfurt for free just last summer and people are happy to throw 80-100m at them for him.
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By that logic we wouldn't have signed Fernandes, because he failed Italy and the Portuguese league is weak.

You're not really engaging in a serious discussion if your main point is the Bundesliga inflates attackers outputs.
 


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BVB are said to be considering a return of winger Jadon Sancho. We clarify how much truth there is behind this rumour
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  • Dortmund can't afford Sancho's salary
    • Salary at United: €20m/year
    • Sancho will need to cut a large amount of his salary.
    • A loan deal will require Dortmund to pay a large chunk of the salary.
  • Uncertainty over United even willing to loan out Sancho
  • Dortmund need the following over Sancho:
    • Two full backs
    • Potential replacements for Bellingham and Dahoud
    • Potential new centre back
 
Lash said:
By that logic we wouldn't have signed Fernandes, because he failed Italy and the Portuguese league is weak.

You're not really engaging in a serious discussion if your main point is the Bundesliga inflates attackers outputs.
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I'm not particularly against him or anything. I just don't get the idea that he's a slam-dunk must-buy. Frankfurt seem to want an awful lot of money for a fairly unproven player.
 
Rozay said:
So?
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No disrespect but the Bundesliga is a trash league where defending is more of an afterthought than an actual reality. Watching the goal highlights of Muani and the defending is like under 18s level. As an entertainment product the league is good because there are a lot of goals and breaks on goal for chances but bringing forwards from that league is fraught with concern.
 
Lash said:
By that logic we wouldn't have signed Fernandes, because he failed Italy and the Portuguese league is weak.

You're not really engaging in a serious discussion if your main point is the Bundesliga inflates attackers outputs.
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Not really, he's a midfielder with certain qualities but let's be clear, he massively over performed what was expected of him. At one point if I recall Fernandes had a goal a game for the first few months of his time here. We also didn't buy him for £100m.
 
Remember the geese said:
What about De Bruyne, Haaland, Firmino, Sane, Son and Lewandowski? Kolo Muani isn't Luka Jovic. He is his own man, with his own strengths and weaknesses.
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If De Bruyne didn't go to such a weak league where he could excel and rack up big assist numbers, I don't think he goes to City and has the career he has. Football is a funny old game.
 
DMacgraw said:
I was very disappointed with him in the world cup final. He missed a couple of gilt-edged chances that would have won France the game. He seemed completely overcome by the occasion and looked to me like a deer in the headlights when Mbappe's cross reached him in the dying minutes of that game. A cool and confident striker would have scored that open-netter. Does he have the iron nerve to succeed as a striker in the premier league? Not from what I saw in the world cup. He could be another Kai Havertz.
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He came on and completely change the game and helped France get back in it. He missed a few chances, sure who doesn’t
 
sparx99 said:
I'm not particularly against him or anything. I just don't get the idea that he's a slam-dunk must-buy. Frankfurt seem to want an awful lot of money for a fairly unproven player.
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Probably because they rate him very highly and don't want to sell him. He's been very effective this season as well.
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Not really, he's a midfielder with certain qualities but let's be clear, he massively over performed what was expected of him. At one point if I recall Fernandes had a goal a game for the first few months of his time here. We also didn't buy him for £100m.
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Of course, but it's the whole can't buy from x league thing that just doesn't hold much water.
 
Lash said:
Probably because they rate him very highly and don't want to sell him. He's been very effective this season as well.

Of course, but it's the whole can't buy from x league thing that just doesn't hold much water.
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No one is saying "you can't buy from X league" they're saying "be wary about spending big money on prospects from that league due to its weaker standard"
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
No one is saying "you can't buy from X league" they're saying "be wary about spending big money on prospects from that league due to its weaker standard"
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Except no one actually says that reasonable response, you literally said in another response the league is trash and defending u18 level.
 
Lash said:
Except no one actually says that reasonable response, you literally said in another response the league is trash and defending u18 level.
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Because it is. The standard is sub par in comparison to the Prem. Like, literally the games are so open, huge spaces etc.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Because it is. The standard is sub par in comparison to the Prem. Like, literally the games are so open, huge spaces etc.
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A lot of our defending in the Prem is laughable too, VVD got put on his arse by Ivan fecking Perisic and most of those goals were comically bad. We personally have put up some horrendous defensive performances and I've just watched an absolute shambles in that Arsenal Chelsea game. I think people massively over egg the prems superiority.
 
sparx99 said:
Highly rated Frankfurt striker who left for Real Madrid and flopped hard after they spent big on him. What similarities could there possibly be?
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Players have come and succeeded in England from Ecuador, Argentina, Belgium, Ukraine, Austria and more. We can rest assured that the German league, a league that produces CL contenders, last season’s Europa League winners and majority of players for an established international superpower is a sufficient standard of football to sign a player from.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
No disrespect but the Bundesliga is a trash league where defending is more of an afterthought than an actual reality. Watching the goal highlights of Muani and the defending is like under 18s level. As an entertainment product the league is good because there are a lot of goals and breaks on goal for chances but bringing forwards from that league is fraught with concern.
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Watch Rashford’s goals from the PL just this season. First goal was against Liverpool - running clean through on goal the length of their half and scoring. Recently did the same against Leicester, ran unchallenged for at least 30 yards before scoring. Against Arsenal - Eriksen running clean through before squaring to Rashford. Against Spurs only last week - one long ball and running 30 yards at goal with only one defender. Against Villa days ago - clean through on goal to shoot before Bruno scored the rebound.

Let’s maintain perspective.
 
Rozay said:
Watch Rashford’s goals from the PL just this season. First goal was against Liverpool - running clean through on goal the length of their half and scoring. Recently did the same against Leicester, ran unchallenged for at least 30 yards before scoring. Against Arsenal - Eriksen running clean through before squaring to Rashford. Against Spurs only last week - one long ball and running 30 yards at goal with only one defender. Against Villa days ago - clean through on goal to shoot before Bruno scored the rebound.

Let’s maintain perspective.
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Perpective is exactly what I was getting at with regard to Muani. He might be great. He might be a late bloomer. Some players will come out of the Bundesliga or any other league and be brilliant.

Just don’t be surprised if Muani arrives for 80-90m and people are mad because their expectations don’t align with his output.

In truth we all need to understand that 80-90m is no guarantee of signing a world class player.
 
sparx99 said:
Perpective is exactly what I was getting at with regard to Muani. He might be great. He might be a late bloomer. Some players will come out of the Bundesliga or any other league and be brilliant.

Just don’t be surprised if Muani arrives for 80-90m and people are mad because their expectations don’t align with his output.

In truth we all need to understand that 80-90m is no guarantee of signing a world class player.
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I think spending that much on almost any player is a pretty absurd business.
 
sparx99 said:
Perpective is exactly what I was getting at with regard to Muani. He might be great. He might be a late bloomer. Some players will come out of the Bundesliga or any other league and be brilliant.

Just don’t be surprised if Muani arrives for 80-90m and people are mad because their expectations don’t align with his output.

In truth we all need to understand that 80-90m is no guarantee of signing a world class player.
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That is fair, but there was nothing I said that didn’t acknowledge that there was a risk element, but I’m not sure that there is a particular risk element. There is a reasonable chance that Harry Kane would not perform identically or better to his Spurs form even. Every transfer comes with a hope that the player delivers, and there is never any certainty.

Once we’ve established all that, you simply buy the players you like and hope they work out.
 
sparx99 said:
Perpective is exactly what I was getting at with regard to Muani. He might be great. He might be a late bloomer. Some players will come out of the Bundesliga or any other league and be brilliant.

Just don’t be surprised if Muani arrives for 80-90m and people are mad because their expectations don’t align with his output.

In truth we all need to understand that 80-90m is no guarantee of signing a world class player.
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Just need to look at what posters are saying about Antony.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Anywhere. But I would use my brain and not spunk £100m on a free transfer into a weak league after one season.
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That’s not using your brain. Using your brain would be, as a club, actually watching and scouting a footballer before making a decision as to whether to buy. That is literally using your brain to make the decision.

And the fact that he was a free transfer bares absolutely zero relevance to anything as I’m sure you know.
 
Rozay said:
That’s not using your brain. Using your brain would be, as a club, actually watching and scouting a footballer before making a decision as to whether to buy. That is literally using your brain to make the decision.

And the fact that he was a free transfer bares absolutely zero relevance to anything as I’m sure you know.
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You're right, he's a sure thing.
 
Rozay said:
*sighs*
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Exactly how I feel mate.

I offered some caution over dumping £100m on a player from a weaker league who has had a decent purple patch FOR ONE SEASON but apparently I'm telling everyone never to sign anyone outside the Prem and never scout a player.

Sigh indeed.
 
Castia said:
Yikes

Bellingham, Camavinga and Tchouameni

Midfield sorted for the next 10 years
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Valverde's pretty handy too. Maybe we can tap-up whichever one of the Frenchmen is playing less (though Madrid also do things like cram them in at LB and play that inverted full-back/midfield spare role at times, from the bits i've seen) this time next year...
 
Wonder if Zidane is going back there
 
Baxquux said:
Valverde's pretty handy too. Maybe we can tap-up whichever one of the Frenchmen is playing less (though Madrid also do things like cram them in at LB and play that inverted full-back/midfield spare role at times, from the bits i've seen) this time next year...
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Yep

Jesus what a squad
 
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