As Arnold said, there is no set budget. Glazers tried to penny pinch and have now shit the bed and sanctioned the club to spend.
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On what basis do you believe our attackers will flourish? It's not like they never have opportunities, even with our current midfield. Even if they did flourish, an injury to one of them and you're looking at Elanga or Garnacho being thrown in for however long they're needed. I'm all for giving Garnacho a good chance, but in the right circumstances. We absolutely need more quality in attack right now, and Antony ticks most of the boxes, if not all.
More like Murtogh and Ten Hag have shit the bed and finally decided they can't wait for De Jong.
Hopefully they're investing now because potential buyers of the club want us to do that and they will cover the expense. If I'm looking at buying United, I want to come in when we're strong, rather than coming in and sitting through a struggle of a season and waiting until next summer before it can be sorted and potentially more damage done.
But perhaps I'm just being naive. Add Casemiro, 80m for Antony, a GK, another CM and a RB, which we apparently are looking to do, will take our spending to levels never seen under the Glazers.
The time (for previously unheard of spending levels) has come, to be frank.
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Yes, but if it was closer to £150m or even £120m then they would say this. Over £100m to me, says a little over. The media love to blow up figures so they would not just say over £100m if it was much more.
We've apparently been looking at £80m players left and right, so it makes sense that if we (for example) sign Casemiro, we're not likely to sign someone like Antony, FdJ, SMS, etc as they would be another £60-70m and we would still need other players. Even if we signed Casemiro and say Antony, that would be £130m, so I imagine that it's one or the other. One high profile signing and then some cheap options like Rabiot was meant to be.
Its a simple cost benefit analysis. What is the cost of another season out of the CL and possibly even out of the top 10 versus finally addressing problem areas that have been problem areas for more than 9 years. If we make it back to the CL and re-establish ourselves as CL regulars, all that money will be made back fairly easily.
The fact he plays without control is exactly why Barcelona wouldn't want him, he's not an alternative to Bernardo. If we do get Casemiro, we should be playing either Casemiro and Fred as a 2, or Casemiro/Fred/Eriksen as a 3
Yeah, I get that. But with Barca's scattergun approach they might be tempted. Either way, I'd sell Bruno and look for more of a team player.
I almost agree but I honestly think the price is in "lose/lose" territory. You can see how much it's smashed Maguire. Despite 2 good years, a poor one has seen the negativity really intensify and it will be largely due to his fee. Its something he will carry with him for his entire time.
For £80 million, he'd need to have a really strong start and at least 2/3 years of consistently excellent performance.
Look at the shit Bruno gets. For a large part of his time here, he's literally carried the team and is still right at the top of chance creators, goal contributors and assisters but he repeatedly gets slammed.
I fear that anything more than £40/50 million just sets a pretty unrealistic expectation. Sancho is 22 and is already being written off by a decent number of fans, despite there being several key reasons he hasn't hit the ground running.
I'd personally take him at 80, I don't really care about the fee, as long as its money being spent on the club but I'd really fear for the pressure and stick he'd get.
Example here.
Bruno has pretty much been our star player and part of a dysfunctional team but that gets completely written off and people are happy to just sack him off.
We aren't selling him. It would be stupid to do so and for me, he's got enough credit in the bank with what he has done for us to deserve some support when he's not at it. He has at least this season for me.
Same for Rashford. Fans will blest on about loyalty in football but show none of it themselves. Just discard the old thing for a shiny new one, because that will fix everything.
Bruno literally dug us out of the mud when he came and was absolutely on fire for a good while. He's dipped a little hut so has everyone, there's obvious issues at the club.
We're a joke of a fan base.
The area of the pitch they play in is the only remotely similar thing about them though.
Bilva is a possession guy of supreme technical ability.
Bruno is like a wild Stevie G, all high risk passing and exquisite shots, that has him looking either superb or woeful.
That is not silly, that is what Ajax is shouting all along. Ajax does not want to sell Antony and definitely not at the end of the window. Why the hell would they want to sell him? Because of the money? Ajax has a healthy positive balance and will be able to sell Antony next summer for probably equal amount. And if they sell him for 60m? Well, fine! Also not a problem. For now Antony is a top marker on the right wing for Ajax. Can only be replaced by a miracle transfer in the last week which is not very likely to happen. Again. Ajax has a team that is built in years, not so much bought. That is not silly, that is (with all respect) a difference between Ajax and Man Utd.
Smart clubs recognise the right time to cut their losses on players.
We're a club that had the likes of Bailly, Jones, Mata and many others years and years after they stopped being much use.
Rashford isn't there just yet I don't think, but he's certainly zooming in on that sort of mixer. He's had a few years now without decent form.
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What is united looking for in Antony? A right winger or a left winger? Cody and Antony most definitely are the opposite.
What is united looking for in Antony? A right winger or a left winger? Cody and Antony most definitely are the opposite.
Funny you are pointing fingers, I would say fans like you are a big reason why we have dipped so badly as a club. You will worship any rubbish that has a few good games. Fans like you is why likes of lingard or martial can stick around season after season absolutely shitting the bed. Why Glazers know a couple of signings will shut up most of the criticism.
Bruno had a good 6 maybe 9 months. He was God awful last season. Any credit he had was used up covering for what he did on field last year. Rashford is on 200k+, 2020 season he scored 11 goals in Pl in 2928 mins, that's 266 mins per goal, in 2021 it was 4 goals in 1233 mins, that's 1 goal every 308 mins. But sure let's not criticize this magnificent performer.
I don't buy the line that x player is needed to unlock y player. If they're that good, they wouldn't need unlocking. Maybe Fred is okay as a backup, maybe, but he shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11 regardless of Casemiro's pending arrival. Murtough needs to shoot a text to Lazio for SMS as a midfield partner for Casemiro. De Jong clearly isn't gonna happen.
Yeah, fans like you are the real heroes. fecking outrageous you've not had your parade yet, innit?
Rashford's 11 goals from left wing two-year ago bests all but one of Ryan Giggs' seasons. That was 1994, when he scored 13. The next season he scored only one. A heroic fan like yourself would have cut that wage thief down before he hung around sucked the club dry for the next 14 years.
You are 100% greatest of fans.
You are seriously trying to compare ryan giggs to rashford? Especially considering unlike rashford giggs actually did more than score goals and we were winning leagues and competeing for titles with giggs and we are finishing 6th with rashford but lets ignore that.
The 1 goal thing you mentioned, wikipedia tells assisted 11 goals that season in league making tied for 4th best in league that season. How many goals do you think rashford contributed last season goals+assists?
Glazers normally sanction a bigger spend when we dont make CL qualification. However i think there is a realisation at the club already, that we definitely wont make CL qualification this season without a significant improvement in personnel. Liverpool, City and Chelsea have strengthened. Spurs are getting the numbers in though quality of some of the players is a unknown. Arsenal have bought smartly. We could be anywhere between 6th-10th this season without more reinforements.
But most importantly of all. The single most important over riding factor is that lack of CL qualifiaction means lower dividends for the glazers. That cant be allowed. They need to drain the club of as much money as they can every year.
I Iove bruno, but he's been gash for over a year. Now we have Ericsson, there would be sense in sacrificing Bruno if it means we end up with an upgrade on fred.
I’m not saying he’s a bad player. I just don’t think he suits a possesion based style of play. He came into a functional side that sat deep which needed somebody to inject some creativity into our attacking play. I could see that working in a Mourinho team in some ways as you keep yourself defensively sound and just want a bit of magic.
If we want to commit to playing like Ten Hag wants to, like Guardiola does etc then we need to have players who contribute to that style of play. Bruno is so wasteful, even his early goal scoring chance against Brighton he takes the shot with so little care just thrashing at the ball. I don’t think it will be long before Eriksen or Van De Beek get his place. We need more control in the middle of the park and for me he’s too emotional.
Perhaps it ends up with him playing off the left or right wing roaming as he’d then be in a position where risk is more acceptable but right now he’s as big a problem as McTominay and Fred in terms of us keeping the ball.
Think this is slightly hyperbolic.
Would make little sense to spend an extra £50 million, just to get £15 million in dividends. They took £11 million after last season I think.
I'm not defending the Glazers before anyone starts. Apparently anything less than stating they are the worst type of human possible is "sympathising".
They are crap owners and we are hamstrung by the fact we have to sustain ourselves along with the debt on the club because we pay for their debt.
But the dividend thing seems blown out of proportion so badly. The problem isn't that they took an £11 million payment. The issue is they don't know how to run a club and value business over pure sporting success.
Money isn't the reason we're in the mud.
I would say 10th is ambitious..... right now which other prem team would you be confident of taking points from?
Good point, well made. It's a difficult one as I think the above does need to be factored in when purchasing a player for such an amount but then you are into more or less guesswork on personality traits and whether or not they could handle the pressure. For what its worth (given the way he actually plays and the stuff he tries to pull off on the pitch) in this particular I think he'd be able to handle the pressure. In fact he strikes me as someone who may relish it, giving the 2 fingers to his doubters with his performances etc.
I think the structure and setup is problematic. We're awful in transition and our non existent midfield means we're porbbaly constantly concerned about being caught on the break.
There's nothing I've seen to suggest that Antony is fundamentally a better player than Sancho. Sancho has season after season of evidence to suggest he's currently a better player.
I personally don't buy into the idea that Rashford, Sancho and Bruno are just crap. Their performances have been far below their capabilities. Throwing Antony in instead of Sancho doesn't change anyrhing as far as I can see. It'll just be yet another attacking player, struggling because our team is incapable.
Our midfield is a huge problem and needs fixing before we buy more first team wingers.
I'd happily take Antony but not as the solution and certainly not as an 'instead of' a midfielder. Two midfielders and a versatile forward, like Gakpo or someone of that ilk, would be far, far better imo than Antony and Rabiot plus one.
If we make one big signing and another smaller signing, I'd much rather the big signing came in midfield and then we get some attacking depth. If Antony were available for 40/50 mill then fair enough but Casemiro and Gakpo improves us so much more than Antony and Rabiot, for example.
Reality is, we aren't going to fix it all in one window anyway and I'd take my chances with Sancho and Rashford improving along with the team more than replacing them and hoping their replacements somehow fundamentally change the way the entire team plays. A winger won't do that. Midfielders will though. Rashford and Sancho are absolutely capable of playing in a top 4 team. McTominay and to a lesser extend Fred though? Not so much.
Come on mate. That's ridiculous.
Well the Casemiro transfer has come out of nowhere really (at least in Manchester United transfer timelines), I wonder what other surprises will happen over the next days or so. I can't believe that we will play out the rest of this season without at least one more striker.
Maybe Bruno would do better for an Atletico Madrid.
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The fact we want a new attacker (Antony) another midfielder, a RB & a GK is going to make things very interesting. Really hope we pull it out the bag!
Rashford has been shit for 18 months, while being on one of the most well paid players in the world. We owe him no loyalty.
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Then I'm guessing it'll get done. They'll not want to walk away from another one after it's out there as more or less agreed. I mean Rabiot was one thing, there wasn't much enthusiasm for that, but this one's different.
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