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Nou_Camp99 said:
Assuming you do sign Havertz......what do you think your front 6 will be next season when they are all available?

--------------------------------Kante----Kovacic

----------------Ziyech-----------Havertz----------Pullisic

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It looks fantastic no question but where do Mount, Abraham, CHO etc fit it? They don't do they?
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I would say it depends on the formation. Mount would fit in most formations, so he's fine.

Yes, Abraham will have to rotate in and out, but he also has to prove he is worthy of starting. There's a reason he's currently lost his place to Giroud. Hudson-Odoi isn't even a starter right now, so he has no spot in the first eleven to lose. With Willian and Pedro leaving, he certainly won't lose his spot in the pecking order, at worst he remains exactly where he is, but as with Abraham, it is up to him to prove he can beat out Pulisic/Ziyech when he gets his chances.

Reece James will also likely continue to be a regular starter, and who knows what happens with Christensen, so there'll still be a healthy number of academy players involved in most starting elevens, based in my current predictions
 
WeePat said:
I would say it depends on the formation. Mount would fit in most formations, so he's fine.

Yes, Abraham will have to rotate in and out, but he also has to prove he is worthy of starting. There's a reason he's currently lost his place to Giroud. Hudson-Odoi isn't even a starter right now, so he has no spot in the first eleven to lose. With Willian and Pedro leaving, he certainly won't lose his spot in the pecking order, at worst he remains exactly where he is, but as with Abraham, it is up to him to prove he can beat out Pulisic/Ziyech when he gets his chances.

Reece James will also likely continue to be a regular starter, and who knows what happens with Christensen, so there'll still be a healthy number of academy players involved in most starting elevens, based in my current predictions
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All i'm saying is this "Chelsea are a new holistic club and give chances to their academy players" is definitely not the full story here. There has been exceptional circumstances. First chance you've had it looks like the mega bucks are out again. None of them signings are bad players either. Very good ones actually. It just goes to show that it's all been a bit of a bravado.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. All this bravado about Frank giving their youth a chance is obviously nonsense. He's had no choice but play them this season. Zieych, Werner and now looks like Havertz coming in as well. How long did it last Frank? They are a fantasy football club and always have been since Roman bought them. They will never enjoy their fruits of their great academy as they are simply not patient enough to do what we do with likes of Rashford, Greenwood etc. They just go for ready made superstars at first opportunity.
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tbf their young players just aren't good enough

Abraham isn't better than Giroud
CHO isn't better than Willian
James isn't better than Azpilicueta
Tamori isn't better than Rudiger
Mount isn't better than the two CAM's they've brought in (assuming Havertz does sign)

It would be mental on Lampard's part to blindly stick with them when he's seemingly got a warchest of money available to spend
 
Mount will always get plenty of games regardless of who we sign. He is arguably our most important player against the big teams as we saw against United the other day. He is the main trigger for our high pressing. Don't think he has anything to sweat about.

Think Hudson Odoi is the only youngster who has a serious fight on his hands to get into the first XI. But he's just 19 years old and we'll be in so many competitions. He'll play plenty.

Weird how people are having a go at us "abandoning" the youth here. You guys won't be abandoning Greenwood once you sign Sancho. You need a super deep squad to win trophies these days.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
All i'm saying is this "Chelsea are a new holistic club and give chances to their academy players" is definitely not the full story here. There has been exceptional circumstances. First chance you've had it looks like the mega bucks are out again. None of them signings are bad players either. Very good ones actually. It just goes to show that it's all been a bit of a bravado.
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That's certainly not a claim that's come from Chelsea.

I don't understand how it's bravado when 2 (possibly 3) of the 4 main starters this season from the academy have a huge chance to continue to start next season even with these 3 new additions.

I hear what you're saying, and there probably was an element of truth to your underlying point [that Chelsea were somewhat forced into trusting the academy] but I just don't think I agree that Lampard was full of crap when he spoke of bridging the gap between the academy and the first team and I think he has demonstrated that impeccably.
 
Rolaholic said:
Romano hasn't worked with DiMarzio in a while, he works for the Guardian now and he's actually proven to be a bit more reliable than him these last few transfer windows
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No. Romano works for Sky Italy. Like Di Marzio. Di Marzio is his boss

He also freelances for Di Marzio's website and the guardian
 
WeePat said:
That's certainly not a claim that's come from Chelsea.

I don't understand how it's bravado when 2 (possibly 3) of the 4 main starters this season from the academy have a huge chance to continue to start next season even with these 3 new additions.

I hear what you're saying, and there probably was an element of truth to your underlying point [that Chelsea were somewhat forced into trusting the academy] but I just don't think I agree that Lampard was full of crap when he spoke of bridging the gap between the academy and the first team and I think he has demonstrated that impeccably.
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If CHO is genuinely looking to leave like that journalist has just said (it may not be true of course) I'd say he's made minimal progress at best actually. He's one of the best to come through is he not?

Reece James looks a decent prospect tbf but how long will it be before you go for a 40-50m right wing back? I'm betting not too long.
 
Ether said:
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But I thought Lampard is a massive champion of youth? Can't understand why he's buying Werner to replace Abraham, Havertz to replace Mount and Ziyech to stop CHO playing.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
If CHO is genuinely looking to leave like that journalist has just said (it may not be true of course) I'd say he's made minimal progress at best actually. He's one of the best to come through is he not?

Reece James looks a decent prospect tbf but how long will it be before you go for a 40-50m right wing back? I'm betting not too long.
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I'm going to need you to elaborate because I don't think anybody can look at Chelsea this season and believe that.

Hudson-Odoi is very talented, but he also tore his ACL 12 months ago just as Sarri was beginning to trust him in league games. I said when it happened that he probably needed a full season from the moment of return to recapture some of the sharpness he had before the injury. He's had several injury set-backs this season, so he's had a sort of staggered, disrupted return from a lengthy injury lay-off, and it's obvious when he's on the pitch now that he just isn't anywhere near the level of sharpness he had last season.

We'll see if the this story is true or not, but even if it is, it's not an indictment on Lampard or Chelsea for me.
 
Chelsea's attack next season will be immense, provided their new signigs hit the ground running, which hopefully they wont. If they add some defensive reinforcements, reckon they can go on to upstage Liverpool.
 
pascell said:
Apparently he wants £100k a week from United for a new contract
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I think he'll be England's number 1 next year so we'd be wise to tie him down to a new deal. IF he then goes out on loan, you make it so that the loaning club pays some/most of his wages. But it really is getting to crunch time with him. I do think he needs to be here next season and competing with De Gea.
 
pascell said:
Apparently he wants £100k a week from United for a new contract
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I'd be happy on offering him a contract that reaches something like this on the condition he starts X number of league games before the end of 2021-22 season. I would also expect him to go out on loan again next season.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Assuming you do sign Havertz......what do you think your front 6 will be next season when they are all available?

--------------------------------Kante----Kovacic

----------------Ziyech-----------Havertz----------Pullisic

--------------------------------------Werner

It looks fantastic no question but where do Mount, Abraham, CHO etc fit it? They don't do they?
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Is interesting isnt it. Everybody praising Lampard for blooding the youngsters when in reality he didnt have a choice as couldnt sign anybody and now he is signing in virtually all the positions they play. Think Odoi will be the main casualty of this.
I actually think Mount will get into that side in one of those positions though maybe over Kovacic but I actually think over Ziyech
 
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I know we joke in this thread about 2013 etc, wonder what he would cost though? With our priorities being Grealish, Sancho and hopefully a centre back, even selling deadwood that is a big outlay.
If he is very cheap like under £20m, as a stop gap, maybe it isnt such a bad option after all thinking about it. Rice would be £60m+ which is just too much. The likes of Zakaria/Camavinga/Soumare are probably going to be £40m+ and then the likes of Tonali are probably unobtainable.
If we can get an experienced and talented player to cover Matic next season and see how Garner progresses probably on loan on a small outlay, squad wise that wouldnt be so bad. We really cant be spending the money for the four players we desperately need unless we are selling on the likes of maybe DeGea/Fred/Bailly to boost the coffers which I really dont see happening
 
RUCK4444 said:
Just saying though, Pep doesn’t set the bar when it comes to assembling defences.

I think with the right partner for Maguire we have one of the better defences in the league.

Edit: For that price though Ake is worth taking for sure.
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Maybe but I think the difference is. City have a centre back of high quality in Laporte, you can see the difference in there defence when he is out. They need a partner for him.

Personally I think Maguire is a good centre back, but not one of the highest quality. I think we need to sign a cb of the highest quality for Maguire to partner, which is a stragne scenario considering we spent £80m on Maguire.

That is why I dont think Ake is a bad signing for City, but not one that we should pursue
 
jesperjaap said:
Maybe but I think the difference is. City have a centre back of high quality in Laporte, you can see the difference in there defence when he is out. They need a partner for him.

Personally I think Maguire is a good centre back, but not one of the highest quality. I think we need to sign a cb of the highest quality for Maguire to partner, which is a stragne scenario considering we spent £80m on Maguire.

That is why I dont think Ake is a bad signing for City, but not one that we should pursue
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That is a very good point and might explain why we are looking at other options instead.
 
Orc said:
Chelsea & Man United will both be title challengers next season. Likely a season too early for either to win it, but should at the very least make things much trickier for Liverpool and City. Think Spurs and Arsenal will be left far behind by the top 4.
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Think the gap will certainly be bridged but at the same time people are getting carried away after a couple of signings and press speculation. Both ourselves and CHelsea currently are way way behind the two of them.

No guarantee signings will settle and perform in a different league as well.

Also neither of us yet have been heavily linked to centre backs and both of us are partly inconsistent and centre back wise we are both weak in terms of consistently and a good partnership.

One thing have to say about Chelsea for next season if they make these signings. Wonder if there could be unrest in the dressing room. Several English young talents have emerged for them this season, yet all these signings seem to be in areas these youngsters play
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. All this bravado about Frank giving their youth a chance is obviously nonsense. He's had no choice but play them this season. Zieych, Werner and now looks like Havertz coming in as well. How long did it last Frank? They are a fantasy football club and always have been since Roman bought them. They will never enjoy their fruits of their great academy as they are simply not patient enough to do what we do with likes of Rashford, Greenwood etc. They just go for ready made superstars at first opportunity.
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Totally agree. Interesting to see how the dressing room is affected next season among the Chelsea youngsters. I have a feeling Mount may be the only one playing good minutes regularly for them
 
charlenefan said:
tbf their young players just aren't good enough

Abraham isn't better than Giroud
CHO isn't better than Willian
James isn't better than Azpilicueta
Tamori isn't better than Rudiger
Mount isn't better than the two CAM's they've brought in (assuming Havertz does sign)

It would be mental on Lampard's part to blindly stick with them when he's seemingly got a warchest of money available to spend
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Would say not good enough is harsh on a few of those who woul dcertainly be good squad players.

James also I think is an exceptional young talent, Azpilacueta who has been there own version of Dennis Irwin (no not as good before anyone moans) has often been moved to other areas to include him in the team even this season.

Mount also I think is the most under rated of all the great attacking young English talent coming through.Also, like Havertz, he is versatile so can play several positions, I expect him to still be playing regularly for them next year and he seems a favourite of Lampard too, already been playing ahead of some of there big games this year and its his first in the division remember
 


Dortmund central midfielder defender Leonardo Balerdi joins Marseille on loan with an option to buy for 14 million Euros.
 
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jesperjaap said:
Maybe but I think the difference is. City have a centre back of high quality in Laporte, you can see the difference in there defence when he is out. They need a partner for him.

Personally I think Maguire is a good centre back, but not one of the highest quality. I think we need to sign a cb of the highest quality for Maguire to partner, which is a stragne scenario considering we spent £80m on Maguire.

That is why I dont think Ake is a bad signing for City, but not one that we should pursue
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Yeah that's fair. I suppose if we do sign another top defender to partner Maguire though we will at least have two very good CB's as our first team partnership and that helps when allowing for injuries and rotation as you would expect that we should always have one of them available, in the long run a higher quality pair would be better to avoid a situation like City had this season where their only decent CB was injured for large parts.

I wouldn't say I'm unhappy with Maguire overall, in fairness the price tag isn't down to him. I'm confident with the right partner he will become a very good player for us.
 
duffer said:
They're replacing Willian, Pedro and Barkley. Calm your tits.
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In the squad, yeah. Not in the first XI. All those young English players Lamps has got so much credit for playing will all be bench players next season.

And leave my tits out of this.
 
Bubz27 said:
In the squad, yeah. Not in the first XI. All those young English players Lamps has got so much credit for playing will all be bench players next season.

And leave my tits out of this.
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If by bench players you mean they won't be in our strongest XI, yes. If by bench players you mean rotting in the stands and never getting a look in, no.
 
mazhar13 said:


Dortmund central midfielder Leonardo Balerdi joins Marseille on loan with an option to buy for 14 million Euros.
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I’m a bit surprised but not at the same time. I remember watching a game where Hummels went off injured and they chose to bring in Can at CB instead of Balerdi. I remember thinking that they must not think too highly of him.
 
Berbaclass said:
I’m a bit surprised but not at the same time. I remember watching a game where Hummels went off injured and they chose to bring in Can at CB instead of Balerdi. I remember thinking that they must not think too highly of him.
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They bought him when he barely made a handful of appearances for Boca. They at least won't make a loss if Marseille buy him.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. All this bravado about Frank giving their youth a chance is obviously nonsense. He's had no choice but play them this season. Zieych, Werner and now looks like Havertz coming in as well. How long did it last Frank? They are a fantasy football club and always have been since Roman bought them. They will never enjoy their fruits of their great academy as they are simply not patient enough to do what we do with likes of Rashford, Greenwood etc. They just go for ready made superstars at first opportunity.
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And what exactly have you done with the likes of Rashford,
Nou_Camp99 said:
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. All this bravado about Frank giving their youth a chance is obviously nonsense. He's had no choice but play them this season. Zieych, Werner and now looks like Havertz coming in as well. How long did it last Frank? They are a fantasy football club and always have been since Roman bought them. They will never enjoy their fruits of their great academy as they are simply not patient enough to do what we do with likes of Rashford, Greenwood etc. They just go for ready made superstars at first opportunity.
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Orc said:
If by bench players you mean they won't be in our strongest XI, yes. If by bench players you mean rotting in the stands and never getting a look in, no.
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3 years time, who'll be left? Abraham will be gone, maybe CHO. And Mount is all dependant on if he's happy being a squad player. I doubt Tomori will be around either.
 
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