Many posters in the Fabinho thread were not convinced that he would be a good buy, if we are buying him as backup. And many who were OK with buying him, wanted us to play him at RB.
Number 2 is entirely possible as I don't remember who said what.
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Number 2 is entirely possible as I don't remember who said what.
I've addressed this in the Fabino thread. Fred is an 8, a box to box type whereas Fabinho would be more of a threat to the Matic role. Sure it gives us 4 very good midfielders with 3 spots, but it means certain players don't have the opportunity to rest on their laurels (Pogba) and we sure as hell ain't going to have all 3 first options fit all season even if they were all turning it on.Heck, see our injury list in midfield last season.
And on top of that you have his added competency at RB if/when needed, which is pretty fecking needed given Darmien is out the door and Valencia is 33. If Fabinho joined it would probably be Herrera suffering more bench time and I couldn't care less about that because he's only the right man for our midfield in very specific games.
Liverpool themselves will have Keita, Henderson, Fabinho, Oxlade and Wjinaldum before you start naming the likes of Milner who is their equivalent to our Herrera (played to just mark out players and work hard). If it's not a pointless buy for them and seen as a great deal, why is it suddenly pointless for us?
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Fred has no problem playing as a number 6 and does so for Shaktar when covering for Stepanenko when he ventures forward.
What difference is there between Herrera and Fabinho. Herrera played as a good 6 in 16/17 and can also play the box to box role. He's a fine back-up to Matic.
I understand your RB comments, but he hasn't played there in a while so it's up in the air whether he can make that position his own in a title winning team.
That's a very good deal for Fabinho too. We should have been in for him at that price.
So first of all half the italian magazines say we have bid 100m euros, the next apparently we aren't even interested?
1 thing for sure, City won't want him, PSG can't afford him, Madrid maybe, but they've already got a fantastic midfield with Kovacic and Ceballos not even getting in the squad, I can't see them spending big on a midfielder.
It makes sense because, in my opinion, we don't need a midfielder like Savic.
If we're spending 80 plus million on a player, I'd like it to be on someone we really need. I don't think we really need Savic. Actually, I'd prefer Fred or a player like Fred to Savic, because I feel he'll bring a better balance.
Maybe he doesn't fit the profile jose js looking for? Jose got pissed off at Chelsea because the board gave him the players he never asked for in that third season.
We would have got him a lot earlier if we were interested in him.
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It depends since he has only a year left on his contract with wages of around 70k I believe which comes around 4 million a year . Considering how the English transfer window has exploded in the last few years with English teams ready to pay a premium and us keeping an asking price of atleast 20 million pounds . Also he is still young and deducting his salary as subsidising factor we should still look at a fee of around atleast 15 million pounds which is a big loss but since he has flopped we will need to take a hit .
I think as a right back, Fabinho made a lot of sense for us. Defensively solid, good with the ball, and gets forward well. Plus him being able to play as a DM was a huge plus. Oh well.
I think DLP between two 8/6 would be very balanced than the likes of Matic as holding/DM.
Is savic that kind of midfielder who first does the basics right and all other flashy stuff second? We need that kind of a player. Players like kroos do the basics so well and hence control the midfield. Herrera should have been doing that but he isn't. Player like koke maybe?
Is it Real Madrid? There's no space for him, their midfield is well stacked.
He didn't play for Chelsea.
I still think we need more in the DM position, as although Matic is great at defending-he is not a Carrick. Mourinho used to praise Carrick for making the game simple in that respect and linking defence and attack. Matic is not that sort of player.
Hope we get Fred and Sergej Milinković-Savić. However, I do want Mourinho to wait until after the world cup to see if anyone stands out and pounce on them. Yes they will be more expensive, but some players come out from left field.
Hope we get Fred and Sergej Milinković-Savić. However, I do want Mourinho to wait until after the world cup to see if anyone stands out and pounce on them. Yes they will be more expensive, but some players come out from left field.
Actually i was referring to Jose with the failure at chelsea stuff. My bad, I have edited the post.
I meant, just give the players Jose wants and not impose any signing. Let him do his job with the players he genuinely wants.
Naturally I mean its Jose and this is the caf
We are talking about backup to Matic though? Herrera is a perfectly fine back-up to Matic. And Fred is being bought to drive the ball forward and find players, we are not looking for that quality in the no.6 position.
If this was a question of who would START in the no.6 I would choose Fabinho over Herrera. But Herrera is already part of the squad and back-up to Matic and has done fine in the no 6 position as a back up.
I preferred him in midfield to RB, never really impressed me at RB but I guess that's not a popular opinion.
Is that Sidibe guy any good?
He’s playing right now for France btw.
A player who can play in midfield and fill in at right back for 39m, improvement on what they got too. Great deal.
Can and coutinho replacements. They get a goalie and that side will be very good on paper.
Herrera for me is a Spanish Tom Cleverly in any game that's not one where he's given a specific job (i.e. to mark out a player or something of the like). He often drifts by games unnoticed and fails to control tempo well enough, dictate play well enough or find key players well enough. He does these things sometimes but no way near as often as he should.
Anyway my discussion with you has led me to make a thread on whether Fred is enough for our midfield. I Think it would help to split it away from the twitter thread and let others give their thoughts.
Good if he goes to someone else average if he comes here probably.
Keita, Fabinho, Fekir and no keeper and it's all good.
Liverpool moving quickly to try and get positive news out, to soften the blow after the CL.
Splash the cash Liverpool. Done with their excuses.
Don't know how people never realise this obvious fact.
Any excuse to be a top red.
To be honest, I've not seen much of him, but he's been likened to Pogba, who does like the flashy stuff. One of those in the midfield is fine, but as you said, we need someone to do the basis right consistently.
Verratti would be my choice, but Fred, who described himself as Shakhtar's conductor, could also be ideal.
Honestly the midfield of Milner Henderson and Wad is a disgrace for any top team. They need to replace all of them if they want to win trophy and GK
Liverpool could be a big problem next season if they get their targets.
Got them to the CL final.
Wow, that was quick!
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