Transfer Tweets - 2018/19 | Remember if posting foreign language tweets to post in English too
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Then that is probably the guy we should go for instead of Sandro.
Juventus sure are spending loads this transfer window. Where are they getting all the sudden influx of cash from?
Absolutely not, Alex Sandro is the much, much better player and United are in win-now mode.
The Coutinho sale.
Seriously, perhaps they’ve already sold Sandro/ Dyabla for good money and are just spending that money before announcing.
So the Alex Sandro deal is probably done and we're just waiting for Juventus to get a replacement?
Still expect him to end up at PSG.
A lot of the money they have paid out for players is in instalments I think, presumably they have suitors for several players as well and know they will have money coming back in. I would expect Higuain and Rugani to get them the Ronaldo fee back alone, Sturaro might be on the way out as well.
They won't be in a bad position in terms of net spend after that. Might make a Sandro sale less likely as they probably don't really need to sell him.
Why didn't we just get Telles ourselves?
Pity. Thought we could get Dybala to help their finances.
My thoughts as well... whether Jose agrees is more important though.
Or PSG are.
Yeah I don't get it either. He will probably be cheaper, is younger and seems similar enough in terms of play style
Nah - a while back the Evra to left-wing idea gathered a lot of momentum and that was when he was already getting on a bit, bless him
Because we are signing Sandro? Hopefully
Don't think PSG can actually afford a 50-60 million euro LB, they are in enough Financial trouble with UEFA, are obliged to sign Mbappe for 160 million and are about to sign Bonucci for 35 million.
I don't expect them to make big money signings, especially not a world record signing as 60 million for Sandro would be nearly a world record signing.
Sandro iss 27 and Telles is 25, with Sandro being better and more proven. Also Porto want the 40m clause for telles and juve want around 50-55m for sandro, cheaper but not by much. I'll take Sandro he is a beast!
I can guarantee if Martial was a Spurs player and it was the other way round, he'd be tied to a contract until 2025 with no release clause and no chance of escape.
Yeah, feck him. No way we sell to him/ Spurs considering the contempt with which they treat us. Either abroad or nowhere.
I'm pretty sure we can strike a deal with Juve by offering 50+10 in add ons.
Also by selling them Darmian for 15 million or something, it's basically 35 million to upgrade in a position we seriously lack in.
IMO we are just playing the game, it's a complex transfer involving Darmian, Sandro and Juve finding a new LB, made even more complicated by Juve asking for 60 million and then United raising the price for Darmian. Hopefully we will see a conclusion to this very soon
I can guarantee if Martial was a Spurs player and it was the other way round, he'd be tied to a contract until 2025 with no release clause and no chance of escape.
Yeah, feck him. No way we sell to him/ Spurs considering the contempt with which they treat us. Either abroad or nowhere.
Agreed! Really hope those feckers crash and burn in their new stadium this season!
fingers crossed buddy.
This is what I think too - probably why the deal wasn't done sooner. I don't think Juve wanted to sell without having someone else lined up.
This could be the scenario, where Darmian is the back up if they dont find a greater player.. Normally you'd see rumours like w. Perisic last summer how bid after bid is rejected. Or else it could be we're just not interested at all (Like with Fabinho)
It would make sense for Juve to finance Ronaldo by gaining some money from a Sandro-sale
The initial poster got it right by pointing out 'team achievements' in his attempt at making a case for Willian. It does count a lot in football when assessing individual quality. More importantly, Willian played key roles in his teams in almost every title winning achievement. The same cannot be said about Dembele's role in at least three of those four titles you listed for him.
Also, we need to put stats in perspective. One can go on and on listing players with unimpressive goal and assist stats yet were crucial to the overall performances of their teams and by every definition, highly qualitative as players. Players like Xavi, Iniesta, Makalele, Kanu, Paulo Di Canio and even Bergkamp (for Arsenal) didn't score much but were incredible considering their overall contributions.
I think the thing about Willian is that he is a superb team player who works extremely hard for the team and provides balance. He links up brilliantly between attack and defence. For a manager like Jose Mourinho, that's a special player to have.
You are right about Dembele's talent and pptential. I have no doubts that he can be a better footballer considering his incredible technical abilities. But if the debate is about right now, Willian is a much more experienced and accomplished footballer. I am willing to bet that if Barcelona does buy him, he will be a starter in most games. If Dembele had met their expectations by now, Barca wouldn't be looking at signing Willian at such an expensive fee as is being rumoured.
Great post, couldn't agree more...
If he wants to go, then we should sell him, then get a right winger with the money we get.
Not really especially considering it was not at all relevant to the post which was refuting the idea that "Willian has achieved nothing compared to Dembele"...
What right winger? We've got the money to buy a right wing already, we don't need to sell Martial to make that possible.
I am glad that someone is actually able to comprehend what was a simple statement of fact as opposed to some others...
I would say that Willian is rather similar to Park Ji-Sung in what he brings to his team and possible United if he was to join. Park was never a goal scorer to any great extent or assists but was a vital cog in the engine for the team.
Look at the right now then. For every year that Dembele has been involved in football he's been better than Willian.
Willian, who is a winger. Not Iniesta, not Xavi, not Makelele. If you won't judge a winger based on his key passes (crossing ability), dribbles completed (sheer dribbling and speed) and basic chances created and goals scored what will you judge him on? His work rate? Tackles? Clearances? Are we looking for a wing back?
Being part of a winning squad has little to no say on your own ability. Like I said, would you take today, Cahill or Godin? Pedro or Griezmann? Willian has been a peripheral figure in every winning season, and when he has shone it's been through a squad that's been utter shit and murky. Case in point the post Mourinho season and the 2nd Conte season.
Willian managed to get 15 starts in the season before last.
In the 2014/15 title winning season, Willian had 2 goals and 3 assists (a forward, I remind you)
Dembele managed to get 12 in Barcas La Liga winning season even after missing most of the season on injury. Dembele was also absolutely central to that Dortmund team that won the Cup and got the highest points tally to finish 2nd in the Bundesliga.
I perfectly understood the op when they said Willian had one XYZ things. The fact is it's meaningless when you compare players to determine who is better today. You must compare players based on their individual achievements and performances. Especially when one of the two is a 21 year old who's just one week ago completed his third year of first team football and the other is a 30 year old winger who's importance has gone from squad player to our only alive and willing player and back again seemingly every 3 games over the last 4 years.
If you want to judge Dembele based on his team achievements he has at least the same achievements in a very short period. He has the stats to boot that he's performed at a better standard too.
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Why do you actually care?
A player who wants minutes should have no interest in going to City.
Pjanic would be such a dream signing. Don't know if we'd be interested as the midfield area isn't a pressing concern with the signing of Fred and the extension of Fellaini (ugh), but I hope we do at least try to get him.
If juve bought Ronaldo to try and win the champions league, selling pjanic would set them back. He's a fantastic player.
Juve won’t sell Pjanic unless they are confident in getting Pogba/SMS. Even then those would be rather lateral moves.
Would be stupid to sign Ronaldo and then weaken the team.
So you are saying that being a key contributor to winning a lot of silverware says little about a player's quality as an individual? That's a bit odd because being a constant winner over many years must surely say something about a player's individual quality.
But let's set that aside for a while. The great Kanu played 12 seasons for Arsenal as a forward and scored only 54 goals. Most people will agree that he is one of the premier leagues legendary forwards. Bergkamp played 315 games for the same club and scored just 87 goals. The point is that you can be a great forward and yet your goals/assist stats may not reflect it especially if you are the kind of forward Willian is. The 'Willian brand' does not sell on the basis of goals and assist stats. It sells on the basis of team balance. You buy a Willian for his pace, drive, hardwork, creativity and the often rare ability to find the right balance between attack and defence. These are things Willian does well while providing attacking threats and creating chances. Douglas Costa has better goals/assists (slightly better, i should point out) stats than Willian but there is a reason why Willian is Brazil's first choice. And there is a reason, Barcelona might be paying a lot of money to buy the 29 year old when they already have Dembele.
Like I said, I take nothing away from the kid. He has a splendid future ahead of him but he needs some time to grow fully into his incredible potential.
Thing is our team is missing goals/assists not another work horse. Where do you think all our goals will come from then? Lukaku alone?
I believe our team is lacking goals/assists because our team lacks the right balance not forwards capable of scoring. If we tweak our full back and CB positions to improve the football there, transition more efficiently from defence to attack, get the right midfield combo (I am excited about Fred) and provide enough threats coming from the right side of our squad, the goals will increase significantly.
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