100% spot on. The fee’s matter. I bet the same people saying it’s not our business to worry about the finances, are the same people that complain about Pogba costing us 90m.
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100% spot on. The fee’s matter. I bet the same people saying it’s not our business to worry about the finances, are the same people that complain about Pogba costing us 90m.
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Sure, the fees matter. But people throw out fees that seem totally arbitrary. The low end of the scale when they're arguing about a player they want, ridiculous numbers when arguing against a player. I've seen Bale estimated to €70m and I've seen him estimated to €220m. I mean, come on. Like the example quoted above for Mertens. €30m. How on earth does he/she know this? To me it seems very, very low, but how do I know? And how do people know the different calculations used to estimate whether or not a transfer is worth it?
Take the example for Willian in here, for example. Is he worth £60m? I don't know. If he wins us a league title, please. Then it's a bargain. If he's a flop, he's an expensive flop. But for me to say "he's not worth £60m, he's £50m max player" would be stupid. Ed and the financial department has calculators, and try their best to pay the right price imho. The market is so inflated by now, that I don't think anyone, at least outside of football dealings, have any clue at all about the values of players.
And when people calculate or think about resell value. If we buy a player for top dollar (or euro, or pound), I sure as heck don't want us to sell the lad. If the signing works out perfect, the last thing I want to think about is "I wonder how much Madrid will pay up for him". If it doesn't work out, then we have to sell obviously. But then again, if things go south for the player, the resell value is not really that high anymore anyway. So how exactly is resell value something we should deal with (as fans)?
Our finances are being managed by far more experienced and knowledgeable people than you or I. If we spend big on a player it's because we can afford it. So any moaning about how much we've paid is irrelevant. It's not your money to spend, and it's not for you to worry about it, because it'a already been thought about by the people employed to manage the accounts.
The only reason everyone prattles on about money these days is because playing too much FM has given them the false impression they know how real world transfers and finances work.
Its not just about managing the accounts its about managing a whole squad. We have spent now 185m on CM since Jose has been here (including Fred) and still have converted wingers playing fullback and have spent nothing there.
No its because we have seen the club waste money on poor transfers for a number of seasons now.
I’m very aware mate. That doesn’t mean they haven’t made financial mistakes in the past though does it?
Put it this way, if tommorow it’s announced we’ve signed Willian for 100m what would your thoughts be?
I can’t speak for anyone else but the reason prices mean something to me is because it impacts potential other targets or area’s in the team we could improve in future.
Its the obvious reason for anyone with sense
That's a bit misleading that "opened talks" part, only to say in the article they bid 40m and got a response he's not for sale.
“If I stay then it would be because they are going to improve on last season,” he said. “I am not going to remain if they are going to be worse.
“Real Madrid could be interesting for me as everyone knows. They know what they have to do if they want me."
“If it is going to Madrid just to go there then no. I need a project and at Chelsea I have one. If I have a good World Cup then it will all be a lot easier. I don’t want to speak about transfers at the moment because I have been asked a lot and in London I have won everything except for the Champions League. I am at this stage of my career thanks to Chelsea.”
“To say that I am going would be too easy and so first of all I want to see what will happen at Chelsea ahead of next season. I want to see if the coach stays or not.”
Tuttosport believes Marko Pjaca, valued at around €20m, would be one of those included but there is the possibility of including other players in the deal.
Lol! What project does he have going on at Chelsea?
Hes the star man
Like most football clubs we have a working transfer budget which is widely recognised as £150M plus Player Sales, my point why blow most of that budget on 1 Marquee player when we could perceivably purchase more pressing targets? .....Transfers quoted are not fixed yet ballpark figures given as a guide to explain that other more affordable options are available and as for ; 'You have no clue what a player costs'.
Does any United Fan know what the real cost of any player that joins the club would cost including Agent Fees, signing on fees, transfer fees and future bonuses?
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I think it's about wage demands.
The problem with this line of reasoning is, we (as fans) don't know what the available funds are or how the fees are being structured, so how are we to 'manage' the situation? Quite simply, it's not our money and not worth worrying about it.
The only sensible way for us to think about a prospective transfer is to ask whether or not said player is good enough and likely to make a meaningful contribution to the side. If he is, great, get him in. If he's not, we shouldn't be signing him, no matter how 'cheap' he is.
There's no particular reason to care about the 'resale value' of any individual prospective signing, provided they meet the above criteria, because:
1) If a transfer is a success, we're unlikely to ever voulentarily sell the player anyway.
2) We're not Porto/Ajax/Monaco/Southampton etc Player sales make up a tiny percentage of our overall income (and future transfer budgets) - the vast majority is derived from TV and Commercial revenue streams.
No. So why do you keep throwing random numbers on players? It doesn't make sense, and is rather silly.
The first part of your post has the square root of feck all to do with mine, so I've no need to respond.
His work rate and play making plus ball retention is very good. On the other hand Lingard and Mata are honking at right attack and their goal scoring record for United is close to abysmal. Yeah yeah Lingard scored well this season (6-8 week spree) but his overall play is pretty meh.
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Knowing Juventus they will buy Darmian for 15m and value at 35m for Lazio, if Lazio had any sense they wouldn't sell to Juventus & if they did, cash or F off.
There is «always» a few players that is not rated by the average supporter, but very highly rated by managers. Often hard-working players with less output.
Mourinho love Willian. So do Tite who pick him over Douglas Costa and several other highly rated players. I’m sure they are aware that he is not the most productive attacking player in the world just as well as anyone on the Cafe. But they probably see that he brings other qualities to the mix.
£60 mill is laughable at his age though.
Seems like without Wenger around, they're working hard at addressing the problem they have (not saying about the quality, but intention)
We are targeting players under 27.. and are looking to sign Willian.
Mendes strikes again. Great capture for Wolves.
Good signing on a free in a position that needed improvement. It'll be interesting to hear how much he's taking home seeing as they've foregone a transfer fee though.
Willians key passes and crosses has decreased per game the last seasons under Conte. He created 2.3 key passes and had 1.5 crosses per game in the 15/16 season, compared to 1.5/1.7 key passes and 1/0.6 crosses per game in 16/17 and 17/18. He doesn't really seem to fit the system that Chelsea uses under Conte.
I'm not saying those numbers are that great, but having some that can actually create those numbers down the right side would be really helpful to our attack! And if we don't have the money to fund a transfer like Bale or Bailey (Bale doesn't really wanna come anyways and Bailey would cost us the world), I would gladly take Willian in our team. The prices being thrown around are one thing, but what we actually would pay for him is something else.
We still have some players we're looking to offload, and some of them could fund this transfer. And if not Willian, do we have another target that seem obtainable to us this transfer window?
I'm not saying those numbers are that great, but having some that can actually create those numbers down the right side would be really helpful to our attack! And if we don't have the money to fund a transfer like Bale or Bailey (Bale doesn't really wanna come anyways and Bailey would cost us the world), I would gladly take Willian in our team. The prices being thrown around are one thing, but what we actually would pay for him is something else.
We still have some players we're looking to offload, and some of them could fund this transfer. And if not Willian, do we have another target that seem obtainable to us this transfer window?
Well, a player can never be clearer than this that he wants out. Over to Real Madrid.
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