Transfer Muppet Fantasy

crappycraperson said:
Yeah but you want a better player in Pirlo or Scholes in there for such a role. I rate Carrick but he never performed against the best of the best. Just a tier below.
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Absolutely - he is at least a tier below those two. But in this team nothing really depends on him. He's a competent player in a free-ish sort of role - not the high pressure job which Carrick has undoubtedly failed to impress in at the highest level (I readily agree with that).
 
It's so, so difficult for a deep playmaker to have a major influence on a match when his option for a quick diagonal ball up the pitch is taken away from him. It's the most preferred ball for almost every deep playmaker.

Gandalf's diamond wasn't well constructed at all, IMO. He had Ballack and Cambiasso doing all the donkey work -- i.e. helping mark Figo, Pires, cutting out supply from my deep midfielders -- it just seemed like he was doing whatever it took to make his weaknesses at fullback look as little as possible.

In a real life football match, I see absolutely 0 chance for a diamond to succeed when you don't have any player who can stretch the opposition. The entire advantage of having a diamond is to have two major players forcing the opposition to leave gaps in the middle so that your own midfielders could exploit that. There was nothing from Gandalf that could give him an advantage there.

I picked Adriano early on because I thought he would be a very good bargain at 10m. I had no idea that the likes of Vieri and co. would be going for 10m later on. I only bid on Eto'o and Sheva to up the prices remember, I couldn't afford them. I wanted to save 10m at the end because if I made it to the next round, I wanted to spend almost everything on Zidane or a real #10.

That risk would have resulted in a very big reward if I made it through. Oh well, realised a footballer's reputation is more important than actual ability at his best.
 
Aldo said:
Adriano is just being made a scapegoat when the real reason of the defeat is obviously that massively overrated Brazilian CB of his. lol
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Think Rio's being too arrogant there, the right thing to say is that Silva is better than himself by a long way. ;)
 
crappycraperson said:
So Alonso then? You were a bit lucky that you came across a diamond. First no one would buy that even a diamond can dominate possession against that trio. Second, Edgar had no wingers to have a go at Ramos and Capdevila.

Also I think you would need Messi at some point to win the draft. Would defo win it then but without it will be tough.
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Individually he isn't good enough to be honest, I'd rather have Senna over him in that role if I had to play double-pivot.

Don't think Alonso or the double-pivot is necessary or important at all though for tikinaccio
. The full-backs and their roles are more important to playing tikinaccio than him. Spain only plays him because they have way better midfielder available than wingers/forwards bar Silva.

It is why Fabregas has played as a false-9, not because he is important to tikinaccio but because he is so much better than what they could throw in up front.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Individually he isn't good enough to be honest, I'd rather have Senna over him in that role if I had to play double-pivot.

Don't think Alonso or the double-pivot is necessary or important at all though for tikinaccio
. The full-backs and their roles are more important to playing tikinaccio than him. Spain only plays him because they have way better midfielder available than wingers/forwards bar Silva.

It is why Fabregas has played as a false-9, not because he is important to tikinaccio but because he is so much better than what they could throw in up front.
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I disgaree about double pivot not being important to Spain's success in Euros or WC. At times you saw Del Bosque taking off Xavi instead of either of Alonso or Biscuits. The double pivot was the very reason you saw Alba playing as a left winger at times in the Euros.
 
crappycraperson said:
I disgaree about double pivot not being important to Spain's success in Euros or WC. At times you saw Del Bosque taking off Xavi instead of either of Alonso or Biscuits. The double pivot was the very reason you saw Alba playing as a left winger at times in the Euros.
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I don't think he plays tikinaccio the same way lately with Alba as a LB and moving Ramos centrally. His team is much more offensive these days but I don't think he'd be capable of dominating enough against Keane-Scholes-Zidane to afford having Alba and Arbeloa playing as offensive as they do.

They often enough appear inside the penalty box when in possession to get a nudge on crosses etc.

If you want to use extremely offensive full-backs, well more like wing-backs then I think the double-pivot is a great way to afford it. In an environment like this draft, where the wingers and striker eventually is of legendary class then it isn't going to be affordable to play wing-backs and make up for it with just the addition of a deep lying playmaker.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I don't think he plays tikinaccio the same way lately with Alba as a LB and moving Ramos centrally. His team is much more offensive these days but I don't think he'd be capable of dominating enough against Keane-Scholes-Zidane to afford having Alba and Arbeloa playing as offensive as they do.

They often enough appear inside the penalty box when in possession to get a nudge on crosses etc.

If you want to use extremely offensive full-backs, well more like wing-backs then I think the double-pivot is a great way to afford it. In an environment like this draft, where the wingers and striker eventually is of legendary class then it isn't going to be affordable to play wing-backs and make up for it with just the addition of a deep lying playmaker.
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Yeah but if you are up against Zidane then playing Biscuits alone against him would be suicide anyway. He is not the sort of player to curb him at all.

Keane Scholes Zidane is a dream pair anyway so you can't really account for that.
 
crappycraperson said:
Yeah but if you are up against Zidane then playing Biscuits alone against him would be suicide anyway. He is not the sort of player to curb him at all.

Keane Scholes Zidane is a dream pair anyway so you can't really account for that.
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I don't think a pressing game is ever in those 1 vs 1 situations, that is the advantage of it. The negative is of course if Zidane beats his two/three men then there is space to be taken advantage of behind it.
 
Fixtures quarterfinals:

VivaJ vs MJJ
NoPace vs PaceMe
Aldo vs rpitroda
Cutch vs Crappy
Edgar vs Annah
kps88 vs Balu
Pippa vs Gandalf
Pol/Theon vs Fergus

Teams out with the players now available for the next auction round:

rpitroda - 12 players D. Beckham 40M, J. Terry 34m, G. Neville 32m, R. Keane (Abidal (25m)+ 35m) R. V. Nistelrooy 25m, S. Hyppia 14m, Pedro>>> Ljungberg, Reina 10m, G. V. Bronckhorst 10m, Y. Toure 29m, C. Tevez 10m, (S. Aguero 10m -> 10m, Deco 15mill = 11m.

VivaJanuzaj - 11 players Van der Sar 15M, Piszczek 10M, Seedorf 35M, Enrique 38M, Giggs 65M, Jaap Stam 40M, Rui Costa(30M from Aldo), E.Petit 10M, F. de Boer 14M, Alaba 20m, Vieri 10m = 13M

Cutch - 11 players Buffon 15m, Thuram 50m, Nesta 60m, Chiellini 30m, Joaquin 10m Ivan De La Pena 10m, Guardiola 39m, Mendieta 34m, Kily Gonzalez 10m, Juan Roman Riquelme 27m, Raul 15m = 300m (0m left)

kps 88 - 11 players Cech 10M Carlos 42m R. Carvalho 34M Gerrard 42 Davids 45 Villa 12m Torres 10m Sousa 14m, Zabaleta 20 mill(from Annah), Valeron 10m, Pepe 10 = 51m

Edgar - 12 players Drogba 35m, Lahm 45m, Zambrotta 30m, Dida 10m(Valdes>Annah), Gattuso 35m, Pirlo 55m, Sergio Ramos 16m(Sold to Annah for 10mill), Andersson 12m, Malouda 10m, Heinze 10m, Kaka 22m (+4m) , Marchisio 10M, Inzaghi 10m = 6m

NoPace - 12 players Bale (25m), Evra (28m), X Alonso (28m), Suarez 20m, Essien 24m, Sol Campbell 25m, Lampard 20, S Aguero 10m, Totti 15M, Pique 10M, Maicon 34, Handanovic 10 = 51m


Pippa - 11 players Pires 32M + Figo 71M + Adriano 10M + Cole 34M + Baraja 10M + Silva 49M + Salgado 10M + Ayala 29M + César 10M + Albelda 10M + Eto'o 24M (sold for 16M) + Helguera 12m(sold for 11m) + Albertini 15M = 11m left

Fergus - 11 players Ronaldo 95m, Zanetti 50m, Angel di Maria 15m, Kompany 20m, (Raul sold 30M--> 15m) Del Piero 25M, Toldo 12M, Alba 13M, Martinez 23m Gundogan 10M, Goetze 10M, Cordoba 10M = 2M

Teams through to the next round:

Annahmoss - 11 players Xavi 66M, Busquets 54M, Iniesta 89M (from paceme), Neymar 12m(from GG) D.Silva 18m, Valdes(Dida>Edgar) 10m, Dante 10M , Boateng 10m, Lewandowski 10M, Zabaleta 10M(Sold for 20mill to Kps88), Ramos(10 mill from EAP, 4 mill goes Aldo forEAP's dept to Aldo) Capdevila 10M= 11M

paceme - 12 players Iniesta (70=>89M), Robben 30M, Messi (115m), Gammara (20m), Jeremies (14m), Ljungberg 20m >>>Pedro, Scholl 22m, Samuel 22m, Lopez 10m, ivanovic 14m, Schweinsteiger 40m, Pessotto 10m, =2m

MJJ - 11 players Nedved (60m), Sagna (10m) Ronaldo(102m) DDG(10m) Shearer(25m), Varane 10m, Felipe Luis 10m, Emerson 12m, Rooney 34m,Marquez 14m, Fabregas 12m = 1m

Crappy - 11 players Ronaldinho (70m), Scholes(55m), P.Montero(27m), D.Alves(32m), Peruzzi (10m), Ribery(40m), Sorin(12m), Van Persie(10m), De Rossi(22m), Helguera(11m) Naybet 10M = 1m

Aldo - 11 players Rio Ferdinand 48m, Hazard 10m, Puyol 24m, Courtois 10m, Henry 55m, Makelele 32m, Rui Costa (34M-->30M to VivaJ), Vieira 53m, [Eto'o + (6m + 4m) = (Kaka 33m sales to Edgar), Kroos 10m, Sergi 12M, Ferrer 12M = 7m

Balu - 11 players Verón (31m), Neuer (15m), Abidal (Keane (65m) - 35m), Sagnol (28m), Crespo (17m), Simeone (22m), Cannavaro (45m), Cocu (18m), Overmars (15m) C. López 10M Materazzi 14M = 55m

Gandalf - 13 players Casillas 19m, Vidic 43m, Adriano 19m, Cambiasso 29M, Ballack 39M, Zidane 71m, Cavani 10m, Zlatan 15m, (Neymar-10->12m), Baines 10m, Valencia 10m, Hummels 12m, Rafinha 10m, Carrick 10m = 5M left.


Pol/Theon - 11 players Lucio (26m), Marcelo (21m) Cafú (52m) Rivaldo (69m), Lloris (10m) Modric (18m) Gallas (12m) Vidal (25m), Shevchenko (31) Muller (20m) Maschherano (10m) = 6m
 
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What are the bidding rules then ?

Same as before? I suppose we won't even fill up 50 names like last time.
 
crappycraperson said:
What are the bidding rules then ?

Same as before? I suppose we won't even fill up 50 names like last time.
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No need for 50 names at all. Bidding rules are the same as before I am almost certain? 10 mill minimum, anybody can outbid anybody. 12 hour since your bid was made and you get the player?
 
I think it should stay at 10m - people shouldn't be able to reinforce with 5 or 6 players which will easily happen if you drop it to 5m.
 
Anyway I think we can kick it off.. as per Pol

- All the players from losing time are for sale
- Any player not picked so far and eligible by rules is also for sale.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Why the change? Hasn't it always been from loser pool?
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Pol's rules -

Polaroid said:
After each stage, teams that progress receive 50 m in bonus to transfer kitty balance
In reinforcement round, managers can bid for players from eliminated teams or those yet to be picked. They can also transfer list their players to raise funds.

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Anyway are you bidding for players or Gandalf
 
Managers can bid for players from eliminated teams or eligible players (born in/after 1970) that are yet to be picked

24 hr bidding clock starts from noon today, to give managers a longer notice period that reinforcement round has started (more patience, less arguments please)
Any bid that comes in before noon today should be stamped at 15 April 1200 hrs GMT
Bids that come in after, please indicate their individual timing to follow 24 hr clock
Thanks

Reinforcement round Bidding

Forwards


Midfielders



Defenders
Lahm - 15m - Edgalf - 12:00
 
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