Transfer Muppet Fantasy QF: Balu vs MJJ

Whose team is more likely to win considering players in their prime


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He hasn't though, and he became even better at Real without a target man.

That again depends. I dont enjoy watching the current ronaldo that much as he plays like a poacher, his game has become a lot about scoring goals. I prefered the united ronaldo who was an excellent dribbler, crosser of the ball while have immense long range shooting ability with both feet. As well as being a deadly finisher and a good freekick taker.

I think that ronaldo suits my team better and I ofcourse enjoyed watching him play more. So for me that is the best ronaldo for my team.
 
That again depends. I dont enjoy watching the current ronaldo that much as he plays like a poacher, his game has become a lot about scoring goals. I prefered the united ronaldo who was an excellent dribbler, crosser of the ball while have immense long range shooting ability with both feet. As well as being a deadly finisher and a good freekick taker.

I think that ronaldo suits my team better and I ofcourse enjoyed watching him play more. So for me that is the best ronaldo for my team.
I agree with that actually, with all of that. You loose his scoring ability inside the box though, which makes the job for my centerbacks a lot easier.
 
My apologies, I think I didnt communicate properly.

I never said I would leave my defenders one on one with your attackers but that I would be happy for del piero to attack down that flank as have keane and nesta to cover if he does beat sagna as it meant ronaldo was alone up front and I could quickly release him.

I was describing two different phases of the game. While you are attacking they will be winning the ball and when they have it I believe they have the pace and the workrate to quickly attack.

I hope this makes it a bit more clearer.
Yeah, that's exactly what I expected, but I can't see how you could put pressure on Verón then. You need Keane deep in your team and I can't see how Fabregas or Rooney do that job and it's not like the rest of my players are mugs on the ball. Nedved dropping deep to receive the ball will help a lot as well. You can't push me into playing an open game without exposing your defense.
 
Do you want to vote for yourself? I'm fine either way, you decide.
 
Done, I'm off for a while. Don't be too mean on my fullbacks, I actually really really rate both of them. They've been excellent against quality players throughout their career and rarely been 'roasted'. Don't we have a few French people on the Caf, maybe someone can give us a French fullback ranking.
 
Yeah, that's exactly what I expected, but I can't see how you could put pressure on Verón then. You need Keane deep in your team and I can't see how Fabregas or Rooney do that job and it's not like the rest of my players are mugs on the ball. Nedved dropping deep to receive the ball will help a lot as well. You can't push me into playing an open game without exposing your defense.

I think its because both of us see the game differently. I expect the midfield to be crowded which means that even if nedved drops deep he wont have a lot of room to operate or options in front of him to attack. Am not saying he wont hurt me but that he wont be able to do as much damage as he normally can.

I also dont think any side can dominate the other in midfield unless one has a clear edge in there which I dont see.

I dont think Veron will do a lot of damage as Keane will close him down when I am attacking so not a lot of chance of counter attacks and when you have the ball then obviously he can sit back and cut off the passing avenues.
 
Done, I'm off for a while. Don't be too mean on my fullbacks, I actually really really rate both of them. They've been excellent against quality players throughout their career and rarely been 'roasted'. Don't we have a few French people on the Caf, maybe someone can give us a French fullback ranking.

:lol: They have rarely faced giggs and ronaldo in their prime either but I will wait until you come back before discussing your team.
 
:lol: They have rarely faced giggs and ronaldo in their prime either but I will wait until you come back before discussing your team.

:confused: Sagnol played against prime Giggs (the early 00s one who was halfway between wing wizard and cerebral playmaker) and Abidal played against the United Ronaldo you are using.

Neither Giggs nor Ronaldo made any significant impact in those games. Sure, you can say they were off games and it wasn't necessarily the individual battle but the overall team performances, yadda yadda. What you can't say is these fullbacks didn't face your wingers in their prime. They did, and nothing happened there.
 
:confused: Sagnol played against prime Giggs (the early 00s one who was halfway between wing wizard and cerebral playmaker) and Abidal played against the United Ronaldo you are using.

Neither Giggs nor Ronaldo made any significant impact in those games. Sure, you can say they were off games and it wasn't necessarily the individual battle but the overall team performances, yadda yadda. What you can't say is these fullbacks didn't face your wingers in their prime. They did, and nothing happened there.

Rarely anto. Not never.
 
Rarely anto. Not never.

Well, Balu said they have rarely been roasted and you said they rarely faced this two. One would think that implied the rare roastings were inflicted in those rare confrontations. Point is, neither Giggs nor Ron roasted either.

I don't actually remember Sagnol or Abidal ever being roasted, but then, I didn't watch Bayern or Barca on a weekly basis so I suppose it must have happened at some point.
 
Well, Balu said they have rarely been roasted and you said they rarely faced this two. One would think that implied the rare roastings were inflicted in those rare confrontations. Point is, neither Giggs nor Ron roasted either.

I don't actually remember Sagnol or Abidal ever being roasted, but then, I didn't watch Bayern or Barca on a weekly basis so I suppose it must have happened at some point.

My point was that his fullbacks have rarely faced players of this caliber so them rarely being roasted in their career is not a good argument.
 
Pointing us to good examples of them being roasted would be a good argument, playing on ignorance and lack of familiarity isn't. Both of them were top drawer.
 
My point was that his fullbacks have rarely faced players of this caliber so them rarely being roasted in their career is not a good argument.
They played at top teams for many, many years, both are CL winners and played a worldcup final. What exactly do you mean by 'they rarely faced players of this caliber'? And how can you be that successful without facing the best players in the world? I doubt you'll find a Barca fan with a single bad word about Abidal, he was outstanding for them. Same goes for Sagnol at Bayern.

The notion that Cole will nullify Nedved, while your wingers roast my fullbacks is nonsense. It's already wrong, if we ignore the support of their teammates, it's completely mental, if we look at the players they're surrounded with and the fact that they aren't left alone all the time.
 




While I cant provide you specific examples of abidal and sagnol being roasted as I dont have that good a memory I can provide you videos of ronaldo and giggs doing just that to a variety of fullbacks. How often do you see one of the best LW in the history of the game and one of the best players in the same team both at their peak?

Loads of time players get stopped due to a team effort, with me having twin threats on both wings this would not be possible.

@Balu I mean rarely as players like those two arent very common. Barcelona fans wanted abidal replaced for a while but given how he left ofcourse they wont say it now.
 
What are people's views on Marquez? Does he stick out in a game like this?
 
Gio has a man crush on Davids
IMO Veron is underrated here on the Caf while Simeone for some reason has become vastly overrated in draft games
For the record, Keane is the best cm on the pitch

It's because of Atletico
 
So 2 vs 3 situation in MF. Or is it? Since Davids has been told to help out against Ronaldo.

Rooney can be mercurial, but at his peak, you have to grant him the work rate to do a job against Veron. Keane won't have to bother with that one. If Davids has one eye on Ronaldo all the time then that makes Keane's job easier as well.

Shearer vs Thuram/Cannavarro will be a good contest. I think Balu's right and MJJ's left flank mostly nullify each other.

I also think Cesc is getting underrated a bit here, at his best he produced some very big performances for Arsenal. There was that victory at San Siro for starters.

One thing in Balu's favor is if he scores first, he is well set up to absorb all pressure. Simone and Davids will drop back in front of defense, two solid full backs to make it tight, Nedved would chip in the MF and he will just try to counter using him and Del Piero. If MJJ scores first, I am inclined to think he will get what he wants and it will be an open game.
 
@Balu I mean rarely as players like those two arent very common. Barcelona fans wanted abidal replaced for a while but given how he left ofcourse they wont say it now.
Yeah, but you can hardly ignore my attacking threat on the wing either? Nedved and del Piero are clearly on the same level as Giggs? I have no problem to admit that my fullbacks on their own have an incredible difficult job here and that Cole is the best fullback on the pitch (well, he's actually 2nd best, but the best fullback plays centerback :lol:). The idea that Giggs is roasting Sagnol here while Cole nullifies Nedved is a massive exaggeration though, it's plain wrong. Nedved's peak was arguably even higher than Giggs and I'd much rather have Thuram there covering for his teammate in case he got beat than Marquez covering for Cole.
 
Surprised to see the 10-5 lead by Balu here, who even though constructed a marvelous team, has an even better team imo against him.
MJJ's United trio of Giggs-Ronaldo-Rooney is being underrated here for their counter attacking abilities. That was what United was all about at some points, these deadly moves from back in split seconds to score a goal. I remember some games with Ronaldo-Rooney-Tevez trio which it was impossible to stop, so replacing Tevez with Giggs, adding Shearer into that equation incase one of them is busy defending, with Fabregas' long ball abilities, thats really tough to stop.

I think MJJ didn't do himself any favors calling Fabregas the second best midfielder in the pitch after Keano, I don't think he did it simply to win he did it because he massively overrates Cesc, he called him much better than Seedorf in our encounter, so its nothing to do with bad intentions it's pretty innocent.
 
So 2 vs 3 situation in MF. Or is it? Since Davids has been told to help out against Ronaldo.
Of course, it depends on the situation. I said, he'll keep an eye on him. If Rooney is dropping deep, the defense will shift accordingly. Thuram on Shearer, Cannavaro covering Abidal out wide and all 3 of my midfield shielding the defense is of course possible as well. It really depends on the situation and Rooney's movement is crucial to the situation. I trust my defensive unit to react accordingly. I also think you're underrating Verón at his peak if you think that Rooney could take him out of the game. I'd agree that he can limit his influence to a certain degree, but definitely not in a similar way to Simeone against Fabregas here, which gives me a lot of control in midfield.

MJJ's United trio of Giggs-Ronaldo-Rooney is being underrated here for their counter attacking abilities. That was what United was all about at some points, these deadly moves from back in split seconds to score a goal. I remember some games with Ronaldo-Rooney-Tevez trio which it was impossible to stop, so replacing Tevez with Giggs, adding Shearer into that equation incase one of them is busy defending, with Fabregas' long ball abilities, thats really tough to stop.
Sounds great, if only I'd push forward all the time, so that he could actually expose my defense on the counter. If you want to play counterattacking football, you need a strong enough defensive set-up to soak up pressure, United clearly had that in '06 - '09. MJJ here doesn't.
 
What are people's views on Marquez? Does he stick out in a game like this?
Well his passing range is probably not bettered by any other defender in the draft. And he's got the best of the best covering for him. And he'd be a great fit for a team like Barcelona today. But having him and Sagna in the same back line though is a concern. I think prime Del Piero against Sagna is the greatest mismatch on the park.

It's because of Atletico
Not a bad shout. However, I'd say he was a bit under-rated, especially when you weigh in his body at work at Atletico, Inter, Lazio and 110+ caps for a strong Argentina. And that me and Anto getting vocal about his qualities in recent draft tournaments has restored his reputation to where, IMO, it should be.
 
Of course, it depends on the situation. I said, he'll keep an eye on him. If Rooney is dropping deep, the defense will shift accordingly. Thuram on Shearer, Cannavaro covering Abidal out wide and all 3 of my midfield shielding the defense is of course possible as well. It really depends on the situation and Rooney's movement is crucial to the situation. I trust my defensive unit to react accordingly. I also think you're underrating Verón at his peak if you think that Rooney could take him out of the game. I'd agree that he can limit his influence to a certain degree, but definitely not in a similar way to Simeone against Fabregas here, which gives me a lot of control in midfield.

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He won't take him out of the game of course, I never said that but he won't leave him free either, especially when you are in possession. Veron did struggle in PL he where he had much less time on the ball.
 
Sagna being the weakest defender on the pitch is not going to help MJJ ofcourse. And if Nesta helps him out then Marquez is in trouble against Crespo. Crespo at his best was a beast, I remember him bullying Rio in 2005 CL tie against United. Nesta can deal with him ofcourse, not Marquez on his own.
 
He won't take him out of the game of course, I never said that but he won't leave him free either, especially when you are in possession. Veron did struggle in PL he where he had much less time on the ball.
Yeah, he struggled with the pace of the game in the league, I agree with that. He did quite good for United in Europe though. Don't think we play this game on Premier League pace and it's not like I'm totally dependent on him. Nedved dropping deep is an option, Davids and Abidal can pass the ball to del Piero as well, Simeone can carry the ball. Italian club sides always sucked the pace out of the game and played it their way, annoying feckers. Good though, that I'm managing the team, that is based on Italian club football this time ;).
 
As far as Keane, Davids argument goes. I don't think there is anything wrong in rating Keane higher. Essentially Keane, Davids and Vieira were in the same bracket and as per your bias you are free to rate one more than the other.
 
It is hard to vote against Balu here since he has simply no weaknesses in his team at the moment.
 
Sagna being the weakest defender on the pitch is not going to help MJJ ofcourse. And if Nesta helps him out then Marquez is in trouble against Crespo. Crespo at his best was a beast, I remember him bullying Rio in 2005 CL tie against United. Nesta can deal with him ofcourse, not Marquez on his own.
Yeah, I agree. I think Crespo is a bit underrated because of his time at Chelsea, but at his best he was outstanding. He's another reason, why I didn't go all out on Ronaldo in the last round. It was too early to replace him and I like him so much in my team. It feels so familiar to see him in there, connecting with Verón, Simeone and Nedved again.
 
Well his passing range is probably not bettered by any other defender in the draft. And he's got the best of the best covering for him. And he'd be a great fit for a team like Barcelona today.

He was also a great fit for Barca back in the day, which is why Barca held on to him for years despite the injuries. He is the classic Barca defender in the Koeman mould, helping playmake from deep. I actually told crappy he is probably the best player in this draft for that central role in his backline but, of course, no one would agree. In a back four he will just be another defender with good distribution, but at the centre of a back three he would be top notch.

Not a bad shout. However, I'd say he was a bit under-rated, especially when you weigh in his body at work at Atletico, Inter, Lazio and 110+ caps for a strong Argentina. And that me and Anto getting vocal about his qualities in recent draft tournaments has restored his reputation to where, IMO, it should be.

I'm pretty sure his performance as a manager helps, albeit not unfairly. Those who didn't witness or appreciate his peak probably only remembered him for that Beckham flick and as some sort of thug/glorified Gravesen. Watching how he goees about things as a manager makes it easier for people to buy into the actual truth: he was disciplined, determined, tough as nails, yet a constructive player going forward with a remarkable tactical awareness.
 
As far as Keane, Davids argument goes. I don't think there is anything wrong in rating Keane higher. Essentially Keane, Davids and Vieira were in the same bracket and as per your bias you are free to rate one more than the other.

I think more than bias it goes down to formation, whenever I see Keane in a diamond I cringe.
 
I think more than bias it goes down to formation, whenever I see Keane in a diamond I cringe.
I guess then it was good that MJJ bid on him as I was planning to play him in a diamond. :p But then I hardly have a clue of how things work around here.
 
Yeah, but you can hardly ignore my attacking threat on the wing either? Nedved and del Piero are clearly on the same level as Giggs? I have no problem to admit that my fullbacks on their own have an incredible difficult job here and that Cole is the best fullback on the pitch (well, he's actually 2nd best, but the best fullback plays centerback :lol:). The idea that Giggs is roasting Sagnol here while Cole nullifies Nedved is a massive exaggeration though, it's plain wrong. Nedved's peak was arguably even higher than Giggs and I'd much rather have Thuram there covering for his teammate in case he got beat than Marquez covering for Cole.


Thats because Cole was simply immense at one-on-ones. Nedved peak might have been better than giggs but not ronaldo's who Cole handled at different times.

Giggs is as likely to go out wide and cross it in for shearer as he is to cut inside. If he does go wide, thuram wont help much unless he wants to be dragged out of position.

I also disagree with your comments regarding the pace of the match, my team will be pressing like crazy and will force a higher tempo.
 

Sagna also has Keane to help him. I doubt Balu fullback is going to do much overlapping there. Given that he won't commit in numbers- so I can't counter attack - Keane nesta and sagna are enough to deal with del piero threat.

I dont think there is much difference between sagna and abidal and his pace will help him recover. The same cant be said for abidal or sagnol.
 
Sagna also has Keane to help him. I doubt Balu fullback is going to do much overlapping there. Given that he won't commit in numbers- so I can't counter attack - Keane nesta and sagna are enough to deal with del piero threat.

I dont think there is much difference between sagna and abidal and his pace will help him recover. The same cant be said for abidal or sagnol.
Are you serious about that? I really can't say, if you honestly believe that or if you're making stuff up to sell your team?
 
Are you serious about that? I really can't say, if you honestly believe that or if you're making stuff up to sell your team?

Abidal was better but not by much. That is my opinion and I dont think it's that far fetched. Like I said sagna was the best RB in the PL. For a few years and in a weaker team than abidal's.