Transfer Muppet Fantasy QF: Balu vs MJJ

Whose team is more likely to win considering players in their prime


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Team Balu

Identity & Tactics:

The players and how they excelled together for their clubs and countries really define the team here. We're playing a 4321 with versatile attackers, who provide width and creativity in the middle, a midfield core that combines wonderful passing with endless workrate and physical strength and a brilliant defense that is incredibly hard to break down. The familiarity between the players makes sure, that the key players get to perform to the best of their abilities.

Key points in attack:
  • Give Del Piero the ball in his favorite area on the pitch. Well protected by Edgar Davids, just like he was during his peak years at Juve, he has the protection and freedom to excel and exploit the weak link in MJJ's defense again and again.

    If his favorite trick doesn't work out, his creativity and understanding with Nedved will get the rest of the team involved. Drag Nesta out of position and Crespo will enjoy the space inside the box, force Keane to help out and Verón and Simeone have more freedom in midfield. Leave Sagna alone with del Piero and he will score.

  • Crespo's favorite supporting cast. Verón, Simeone and Nedved all played a huge role, when Crespo finished the 00/01 season as the top scorer in the league with 26 goals. You want to get the best out of your striker and it will definitely happen here.
The midfield:

It's all about giving Verón the perfect platform to shine. He will set the pace of the game, starting counterattacks from deep and orchestrating the game from the middle, moving forward in possession to add a massive threat from long range. He's flanked by two brilliant box to box midfielders, his longterm partner Diego Simeone and Edgar Davids, who can take turns in making runs forward and will build a brilliant defensive shield for the defense, when MJJ is attacking. Davids will play more cautious this time, keeping an eye on C. Ronaldo and using his pace and physical strength to make sure, that we aren't exposed on the counter.

Defense:

Interesting fact, all four of my defenders played the worldcup final 2006. On one side was the French team, carried by Zidane's individual brilliance in attack, but equally important was an almost impenetrable defense. On the right side, Thuram and Sagnol formed a brilliant partnership, shutting down attackers like Ronaldinho and C. Ronaldo on the way to the final. On the other side for Italy was the standout defender of that tournament, Cannavaro, who joins my side to replace the only weak link in that French defense and team up with his teammates from his Parma and Juve days. On the left, Abidal is the perfect choice to defend against C. Ronaldo. His experience as a centerback will help him, when he has to track the runs into the box and defend against him inside the box. I will often need him as a 3rd centerback with Shearer, Rooney and Ronaldo all being a threat inside the box.


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TEAM MJJ
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I have the better attack, in Shearer, Rooney, Giggs and Ronaldo I have arguably the best players seen in the premier league for their respective positions. The sheer pace of Ronaldo and Giggs means that it would be suicide to play a highline and Balu dropping deep suits my players down to the tee. I can easily cross the ball in for rooney,shearer and ronaldo to head it in or release anyone of my attacker for a one on one by a quick pass from one of Fabregas, Keane, Giggs or even ronaldo. My strikers are more deadlier than his and wont miss their chance to make it count. If Balu wants this to be an open game then it will easily work to my advantage.


Ronaldo and Giggs vs Sagnol and Abidal.

The only way to stop ronaldo and giggs is to deprive them off the ball. If I can get them one on one with their fullbacks, I will run riot here. Ronaldo vs Abidal is the biggest mismatch in the whole game, while Giggs will roast sagnol as well.

Having the likes of Marquez,Nesta, Fabregas, Keane and DDG I can see this happening quite a lot. Balu might get both Piero and Nedved helping the fullbacks but it will severely limit his offense with no true AM to bridge the gap between his midfield o he can ask his midfielders to cover which would result him being overrun in midfield.


Midfield battle.

In midfield I have got Roy Keane, a man that was never dominated by any midfield at his peak and Fabregas, as close to Scholes as you can get. Those two will perfectly complement each other and will have Rooney's help to make sure Balu's midfield cant gain any control of the match. Individually I believe my midfield is better than Balu's. Roy Keane is the best midfielder on the pitch and fabregas is a close second. Rooney will drop deep at will to negate the extra man that Balu has and make sure that the majority of the game is played outwide where I have the clear edge. With keane and rooney closing everything down at the earliest possiblity I cant imagine veron having too much time to assert any control.

Negating Balu's offense.

Balu's biggest threat are Nedved and Del Piero. In cole and Sagna/Nesta I have the perfect defenders to make sure they dont do a lot of damage. Cole is one of the best defenders in the draft and at his peak kept ronaldo quiet on a regular basis. With Giggs in front of him, I think I wont face any problems from this flank and will dominate in particular. So the attacking prowess of Nedved is going to be negated to a large extent. On the other extent, I do have the weakest defender in the game in Sagna but at his peak even he was the best right back in the PL and his pace got him out of a lot of trouble. With Ronaldo in front of him, I cant imagine abidal being too eager to attack and even if he does it will work to my advantage.

To cover for sagna's percieved weakness I have Keane and Nesta on the offchance that del piero gets past him to eliminate the threat.

Set pieces

I believe I have a huge advantage on corners and freekicks, which will allow me to create many goalscoring opportunites during the whole match. With my wingers both being excellent dribblers who love to run at pace, I can see myself getting loads of freekicks in threatening positions.

Defense

There isnt a lot between both defenses. Nesta is the best defender on the pitch and while his partnership is more proven, mine will gel just as well. Both of my defenders are excellent ball players which will allow me to build attacks from the back or quickly release one of my wingers.
 
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Interesting match guys, great write-ups. Only odd thing out is calling Fabregas the second best midfielder on the pitch. In my books he is quite clearly the worst midfielder on the pitch.
 
Wait what? Ronaldo vs Abidal is a bigger mismatch than Del Piero vs Sagna? Abidal was a brilliant defensive fullback for years, I'd argue only Cole has been a better defensive leftback in the past decade. And Fabregas is clearly not the 2nd best midfielder on the pitch, that's ridiculous.

Nedved's workrate will definitely come in handy to help Sagnol with Giggs and Sagnol has done a great job against Giggs before, when Bayern beat United on their way to the CL title in '01. Sure Giggs will get a few crosses in, you can't prevent that from happening, but neither can Cole nullify Nedved. With Rooney often dropping deep and therefore being picked up by one of my midfielders, Thuram is also there to cover that right flank. It's a great defensive set-up to contain your left flank.
 
Gary Neville on Alessandro Del Piero:
Del Piero was a class act, so sharp and elusive and intelligent. There’s a lot of thick footballers out there, players with huge talent when the ball’s at their feet but no real understanding of where to move or how best to link with their teammates. That is a criticism you’d never make of Zidane or Del Piero, and Juventus had both of them.
He's the best player against who I have ever played, spinned me in extraordinary ways.




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My quote about the Del Piero Zone got lost in the op, so here is it again:

The football media refer to a "Del Piero Zone" ("Gol alla Del Piero" in Italian language), a style of scoring involving approaching from the left flank and curling a precise curled lob into the far top corner of the goal. The "Del Piero Zone" has been used to describe the goals of other players who scored in this way.
 
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TEAM MJJ... Roy Keane is the best midfielder on the pitch and fabregas is a close second.
I'd say Balu has numbers 1 and 3. There's certainly no way Fabregas has reached Veron's heights yet.
 
MJJ picture makes it look like a 4-2-3-1 but it's actually a 4-4-1-1. Fabregas is definitely capable of playing a Scholes'esque role there.

@Balu any reason Veron is deeper in picture than others?
It looks prettier :lol:. No, seriously. I expect to sit deeper against MJJ's gung-ho attacking 442 here, that's why Veron will often be a deep lying playmaker, starting counterattacks from deep into the feet of del Piero and Nedved. His slightly adjusted position in the formation is a hint towards that. In reality all 3 midfielders can play in all 3 positions on the pitch. I expect Davids to have the deepest position on average because he's really useful to help out against Ronaldo.

Despite starting deeper, I expect my team to gain control in midfield. Both del Piero and Nedved will provide more ability on the ball around the penalty box than MJJ's attackers, which should - along with the two brilliant box to box midfielders next to him - allow Veron to pull the strings as he wants to, control the pace of the game.
 
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Interesting match guys, great write-ups. Only odd thing out is calling Fabregas the second best midfielder on the pitch. In my books he is quite clearly the worst midfielder on the pitch.

Worse than simeone? That I disagree with. I dont think there is a lot between davids,veron or fabregas.
 
Wait what? Ronaldo vs Abidal is a bigger mismatch than Del Piero vs Sagna? Abidal was a brilliant defensive fullback for years, I'd argue only Cole has been a better defensive leftback in the past decade. And Fabregas is clearly not the 2nd best midfielder on the pitch, that's ridiculous.

Nedved's workrate will definitely come in handy to help Sagnol with Giggs and Sagnol has done a great job against Giggs before, when Bayern beat United on their way to the CL title in '01. Sure Giggs will get a few crosses in, you can't prevent that from happening, but neither can Cole nullify Nedved. With Rooney often dropping deep and therefore being picked up by one of my midfielders, Thuram is also there to cover that right flank. It's a great defensive set-up to contain your left flank.

I want del piero to attack down that flank, it will leave ronaldo alone with abidal and I can quickly release him from the back.

I disagree with cole not being able to nullify nedved, he is the only fullback I have seen who could control ronaldo and can/will do the same to nedved here. And cole will contribute offensively as well, providing an option to giggs.
 
Gary Neville on Alessandro Del Piero:






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My quote about the Del Piero Zone got lost in the op, so here is it again:


Only two players made me cry when watching football, one was Diego Maradona and the other Ryan Giggs."



Lets here some quotes from Del Piero while we are at it. Am going to roast both your fullbacks with my wingers on a regular basis while neither side will dominate the midfield resulting in an end to end game which suits me just fine.
 
I want del piero to attack down that flank, it will leave ronaldo alone with abidal and I can quickly release him from the back.

I disagree with cole not being able to nullify nedved, he is the only fullback I have seen who could control ronaldo and can/will do the same to nedved here. And cole will contribute offensively as well, providing an option to giggs.

???? Are you serious about that? Davids is the one helping out against Ronaldo, if Ronaldo receives the ball outside the box and no midfielder in the draft is better suited for that job than him. Del Piero has nothing to do with Ronaldo, at best he'd track Sagna, but I'm sure Sagna is already in trouble with the defending part of his job, wouldn't really hope for any attacking contribution from him.
 
???? Are you serious about that? Davids is the one helping out against Ronaldo, if Ronaldo receives the ball outside the box and no midfielder in the draft is better suited for that job than him. Del Piero has nothing to do with Ronaldo, at best he'd track Sagna, but I'm sure Sagna is already in trouble with the defending part of his job, wouldn't really hope for any attacking contribution from him.

Yes, it will help me launch a quick counter attack. I dont think davids will be able to help out all the time and ronaldo is perfectly capable of beating him one on one. The pace of ronaldo, rooney and giggs means I only dont need a lot of time to launch my attacks.

Sagna isnt that bad of a defender as you are making him out to be. At his peak was the best right back in the premier league and his pace will help a lot. I also have keane and nesta there to help win the ball if del piero does manage to get past him.
 
Who is better than keane in his midfield?
Gio has a man crush on Davids
IMO Veron is underrated here on the Caf while Simeone for some reason has become vastly overrated in draft games
For the record, Keane is the best cm on the pitch
 
Gio has a man crush on Davids
IMO Veron is underrated here while Simeone for some reason has become vastly overrated in draft games

:lol: Makes sense.

Veron I think is underrated due to his time in the premier league, dunno why simeone is rated that highly. One thing I will say about veron is that he will need time on the ball to shine something that wont happen here. I have two ball winners in keane and rooney just kicking the shit out of the opposition at times while fabregas can pull a shift as well.

A reminder of his ability.



Imagine the likes of Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney and even shearer getting on the end of those balls.
 
I'm leaning towards MJJ here. He simply will outscore Balu imo.

I think with Ronaldo and Giggs Balus midfield will be stretched letting Fabregas dictate play. With such an outstanding attack MJJ will definitely score.

For Balu Del Piero is against Nesta here. Most opportunities have to come from Nedved and Crespo.
 
I'm leaning towards MJJ here. He simply will outscore Balu imo.

I think with Ronaldo and Giggs Balus midfield will be stretched letting Fabregas dictate play. With such an outstanding attack MJJ will definitely score.

For Balu Del Piero is against Nesta here. Most opportunities have to come from Nedved and Crespo.

Not to mention Nedved is against cole. I couldnt think of a better leftback in the constraints of this draft to help nullify Nedved. Cole was simply immense at one-on-ones.
 
@Balu why do you think you will control the midfield? I also disagree with your statement that veron will shine as he simply wont have the time on the ball which he has always needed.
 
@Balu why do you think you will control the midfield? I also disagree with your statement that veron will shine as he simply wont have the time on the ball which he has always needed.
Because you can't have Keane hunting him down without completely exposing your backline? Rooney's workrate will help, but he's not disciplined enough to do a clear man-marking job all game long and both Nedved and del Piero are perfectly capable of temporarily acting as AMs. There's no way, Fabregas will dictate the pace of the game here.
 
Because you can't have Keane hunting him down without completely exposing your backline? Rooney's workrate will help, but he's not disciplined enough to do a clear man-marking job all game long and both Nedved and del Piero are perfectly capable of temporarily acting as AMs. There's no way, Fabregas will dictate the pace of the game here.

My point exactly. Neither team is going to dominate the midfield, it depends upon who will do the more damage down the flanks. I have two ball winners in Rooney and Keane(dont need rooney to man mark someone, just win the ball back which he is perfectly capable of doing) and you have two ball winners in davids and simeone. If nedved and del piero do come inside that will help me as well, that area is already crowded enough and it will open up the flanks for me.

Fabregas will make more of an impact than veron though. He shined in the PL where the games are mostly played at a higher tempo like this one will be. Veron on the other hand requires time on the ball which he wont get.
 
Yes, it will help me launch a quick counter attack. I dont think davids will be able to help out all the time and ronaldo is perfectly capable of beating him one on one. The pace of ronaldo, rooney and giggs means I only dont need a lot of time to launch my attacks.

Sagna isnt that bad of a defender as you are making him out to be. At his peak was the best right back in the premier league and his pace will help a lot. I also have keane and nesta there to help win the ball if del piero does manage to get past him.
I doubt you get many chances on the counter, because I'm clearly way better suited to soak up pressure and sit deep than you are. Your most creative player is Fabregas and even though he's individually a better player than Simeone, Simeone has the tactical discipline and workrate to kick the shit out of him all game long, while I still have Davids and Verón protecting my defense. You simply can't trick me into an open game and you don't have the creativity to unlock my defense consistently. I can do that though.

Sagna is clearly the worst defender on the pitch. Your wingers roasting my fullbacks (with all the help they get) all game long is a silly exaggeration, just like calling Fabregas the 2nd best midfielder on the pitch. Saying that Sagna needs help from either Keane or Nesta clearly isn't and it disrupts your defensive set-up quite significantly.
 
My point exactly. Neither team is going to dominate the midfield, it depends upon who will do the more damage down the flanks. I have two ball winners in Rooney and Keane(dont need rooney to man mark someone, just win the ball back which he is perfectly capable of doing) and you have two ball winners in davids and simeone. If nedved and del piero do come inside that will help me as well, that area is already crowded enough and it will open up the flanks for me.

Fabregas will make more of an impact than veron though. He shined in the PL where the games are mostly played at a higher tempo like this one will be. Veron on the other hand requires time on the ball which he wont get.
Both is simply not true. How is the central area crowded, if Keane is chasing Veron in my half of the pitch, ffs?
 
I doubt you get many chances on the counter, because I'm clearly way better suited to soak up pressure and sit deep than you are. Your most creative player is Fabregas and even though he's individually a better player than Simeone, Simeone has the tactical discipline and workrate to kick the shit out of him all game long, while I still have Davids and Verón protecting my defense. You simply can't trick me into an open game and you don't have the creativity to unlock my defense consistently. I can do that though.

Sagna is clearly the worst defender on the pitch. Your wingers roasting my fullbacks (with all the help they get) all game long is a silly exaggeration, just like calling Fabregas the 2nd best midfielder on the pitch. Saying that Sagna needs help from either Keane or Nesta clearly isn't and it disrupts your defensive set-up quite significantly.

Better midfielders than simeone have tried to kick the shit out of him and failed. I dont think simeone will be able to contain him as he is an excellent dribbler as well to get him out of trouble.

Seriously? I have Giggs/Ronaldo/Fabregas and Rooney. How can you say I dont have enough creativity to unlock your defense? If anything I will back Giggs and Ronaldo to beat their man 90% of the time they get the ball. Shearer is a better striker than crespo as well.

I agree he is the worst defender on the pitch BUT he is quicker then del piero which will help limit the extent of Del piero's attack. And no its not a silly exaggeration as both my wingers are better than their respective counterparts.

You wont get a lot of joy down the left flank so all that remains is the right flank. I have keane and nesta to cover so you wont create a lot of chances.

If you do sit deep that will suit me perfectly.
 
Both is simply not true. How is the central area crowded, if Keane is chasing Veron in my half of the pitch, ffs?

Because Veron is part of the centre midfield? If keane chases him, I can have rooney drop deep to cover the area. So you have six people operating in that area already before nedved or del piero cuts inside.

And when they do cut insides that leaves your fullback alone with my winger. Both my wingers pace means I can quickly launch a counter attack down that side with DDG and marquez being excellent ball distributors.
 
I'm leaning towards MJJ here. He simply will outscore Balu imo.

I think with Ronaldo and Giggs Balus midfield will be stretched letting Fabregas dictate play. With such an outstanding attack MJJ will definitely score.

For Balu Del Piero is against Nesta here. Most opportunities have to come from Nedved and Crespo.
I don't get that. Nedved + Sagnol against Giggs, no stretching there. And what Ronaldo are we talking about here? The one at Real clearly isn't carrying the ball forward or stretching play. He's a wide forward, playing of the shoulder of the last defender, trying to get in behind the defense with runs off the ball. He's playing with a striker who constantly drops deep or wide and opens gaps for Ronaldo to run into, completely different to MJJ's set-up here with Shearer.
 
Gio has a man crush on Davids
IMO Veron is underrated here on the Caf while Simeone for some reason has become vastly overrated in draft games
For the record, Keane is the best cm on the pitch
Ah but this is the Caf and you're all by and large biased United fans. And in that world Keane is the best midfielder since Matthaus. Back in the real world Keane and Davids are on par.
 
Some facts about Sagna.

Was named twice in the PFA team of the year.

For me Sagna, although not a lot of people talk about him, has been tremendous since he has come here. He adapted very, very quickly not only to the technical level -- but also to the way we want to play the game, and as well to the physical aspect of the game. - Wenger

As of 2013, Sagna had won 81% of all his tackles and 63% of all his duels so one on one he can hold his own.
 
Because Veron is part of the centre midfield? If keane chases him, I can have rooney drop deep to cover the area. So you have six people operating in that area already before nedved or del piero cuts inside.

And when they do cut insides that leaves your fullback alone with my winger. Both my wingers pace means I can quickly launch a counter attack down that side with DDG and marquez being excellent ball distributors.
That makes no sense to me, not the slightest bit. Half of your players are at two places at once, while you describe my team in a total different way than I have them playing, but I'm happy to let the voters decide, if you're talking sense or not. My tactics are fairly straight forward here and I'm not interested in talking down players against silly exaggerations.
 
I don't get that. Nedved + Sagnol against Giggs, no stretching there. And what Ronaldo are we talking about here? The one at Real clearly isn't carrying the ball forward or stretching play. He's a wide forward, playing of the shoulder of the last defender, trying to get in behind the defense with runs off the ball. He's playing with a striker who constantly drops deep or wide and opens gaps for Ronaldo to run into, completely different to MJJ's set-up here with Shearer.

Mine is the united ronaldo. Thats why I needed a striker to lead the line and in shearer I couldnt find a better one for the role.
 
That makes no sense to me, not the slightest bit. Half of your players are at two places at once, while you describe my team in a total different way than I have them playing, but I'm happy to let the voters decide, if you're talking sense or not. My tactics are fairly straight forward here and I'm not interested in talking down players against silly exaggerations.


Sorry when has this happened?
 
Mine is the united ronaldo. Thats why I needed a striker to lead the line and in shearer I couldnt find a better one for the role.
Even at United, Ronaldo peaked with Tevez and Rooney in the team, at no time in 06-09 did he play with someone like Shearer.
 
Even at United, Ronaldo peaked with Tevez and Rooney in the team, at no time in 06-09 did he play with someone like Shearer.

He only played one season with Rooney and Tevez and many,including me, felt that he would do better with a striker who is more of a target man.
 
Sorry when has this happened?
Well, either you leave all of your defenders constantly one on one against my players, which is pretty silly because I actually have outstanding individual quality in all areas of the pitch, or you can't have them upfront and winning the ball back at the same time. Like I said, your comments about how you're defending make no sense to me, but I'm not the one who has to decide, so I'll leave it to the voters.
 
He only played one season with Rooney and Tevez and many,including me, felt that he would do better with a striker who is more of a target man.
He hasn't though, and he became even better at Real without a target man.
 
Well, either you leave all of your defenders constantly one on one against my players, which is pretty silly because I actually have outstanding individual quality in all areas of the pitch, or you can't have them upfront and winning the ball back at the same time. Like I said, your comments about how you're defending make no sense to me, but I'm not the one who has to decide, so I'll leave it to the voters.

My apologies, I think I didnt communicate properly.

I never said I would leave my defenders one on one with your attackers but that I would be happy for del piero to attack down that flank as have keane and nesta to cover if he does beat sagna as it meant ronaldo was alone up front and I could quickly release him.

I was describing two different phases of the game. While you are attacking they will be winning the ball and when they have it I believe they have the pace and the workrate to quickly attack.

I hope this makes it a bit more clearer.