Transfer Fantasy - MJJ VS Aldo

Who would win based on their peak?

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MJJ said:
1. :lol: Am considering changing my tactics.
2. I compared my striker to yours, with ronaldo in a free role, platini as a false 9 he will be the focal point of your attack.
3. Am only going from what wiki is saying and again if it matters than defensive cohesive should matter as well where I have an edge.

My defense is far superior so I dont need as much cover as you and you are only attacking with three players one of whom is dropping deep at times, I dont care how good platini and ronaldo are they still need a support cast.

Look at ronaldo at madrid, he has ozil/benzema/marcelo/bale/di maria,etc creating space for him which is essential for him to operate at his best. You have left him with weah alone upfront and isolated.
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Both Cristiano and Platini have scored the goals they did playing in those roles. Just because Benzema plays up front, doesn't mean he's the biggest goal threat on the pitch. That's the great thing about having Cristiano and Platini, that they have scored all those goals while playing expansive roles such as wide forward and number 10, respectively.

I have already elaborated about Bossis, and antohan testified to the same. He played a good part of seven bloody seasons in that position, winning titles, making it to teams of the seasons regularly. It's a complete non issue, but suits your agenda, as you yourself have admitted.

Your CBs are better (won't have any of it with fullbacks, both Briegel and Bossis were top defenders of their generation and Irwin trumps Tassotti) but it doesn't mean they don't need cover. That Milan team wouldn't have been as great and won the things they did without someone like Rijkaard in there, who was every bit as important as Baresi. The importance of a DM cannot be neglected, even more so when you are facing one of the greatest AMs of all time. You need a top top DM to even think of restricting Platini, and here you are seeming comfortable without one!
 
Aldo said:
Both Cristiano and Platini have scored the goals they did playing in those roles. Just because Benzema plays up front, doesn't mean he's the biggest goal threat on the pitch. That's the great thing about having Cristiano and Platini, that they have scored all those goals while playing expansive roles such as wide forward and number 10, respectively.

I have already elaborated about Bossis, and antohan testified to the same. He played a good part of seven bloody seasons in that position, winning titles, making it to teams of the seasons regularly. It's a complete non issue, but suits your agenda, as you yourself have admitted.

Your CBs are better (won't have any of it with fullbacks, both Briegel and Bossis were top defenders of their generation and Irwin trumps Tassotti) but it doesn't mean they don't need cover. That Milan team wouldn't have been as great and won the things they did without someone like Rijkaard in there, who was every bit as important as Baresi. The importance of a DM cannot be neglected, even more so when you are facing one of the greatest AMs of all time. You need a top top DM to even think of restricting Platini, and here you are seeming comfortable without one!
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I said focal point, not biggest goal threat and that they dont need as much cover not no cover.
 
MJJ said:
I said focal point, not biggest goal threat and that they dont need as much cover not no cover.
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I was talking about goal threats to which you replied so I am not sure why you twisted that to the focal point, which is irrelevant to my argument. Unless you can prove that only the focal point in the team is capable of getting goals, there's no sense in that argument.

And I stand by what I said, you cannot get away with a okay-ish cover, having a player who gave his best elsewhere and is being shoehorned into that role against someone of the quality of Platini. Balu just told you the same in his explanation, that the amount of time being allowed to Guardiola and Platini is simply suicidal.
 
Aldo said:
I was talking about goal threats to which you replied so I am not sure why you twisted that to the focal point, which is irrelevant to my argument. Unless you can prove that only the focal point in the team is capable of getting goals, there's no sense in that argument.

And I stand by what I said, you cannot get away with a okay-ish cover, having a player who gave his best elsewhere and is being shoehorned into that role against someone of the quality of Platini. Balu just told you the same in his explanation, that the amount of time being allowed to Guardiola and Platini is simply suicidal.
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Balu said:
Still think it's close by the way. And I agree with you that Briegel is as good as any fullback in the history of the game to deal with Ronaldo, it's a perfect fit. Which is why I would have liked a more attacking approach from your side. Weah isn't that big a goal threat. Find someone to shackle Platini, let Briegel deal with Ronaldo and go for it with Gullit pushing forward and I probably would have given you my vote.
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This is what Balu said, since when is it's close by the way translate to its suicidal?

You were hyping on weah being a goal threat compared to my striker which isnt the case, if platini drops deep as you intend to do and has the ball as I intend to do he has weah and ronaldo to aim for. Both me and Balu agree that briegel is a good bet to negate ronaldo and weah is up against baresi and costacurta. How exactly is that a bigger goal threat? I have four defenders to deal with them two and two midfielders sitting in front of them waiting for platini when he moves forward.

I have cut off his passing options and have cover if he tries to dribble his way through. Thats a very effective manner to negate your attacking threat. You simply need more variety in your attack which I have here but you dont.
 
I'm at a loss here. I don't particularly rate Aldo's defense, nor do I really like the mix of his midfield 3. But Platini, Weah, and Ronaldo... that's a pretty exceptional combination he's got there. On the other hand, MJJ has a wonderful defense, and decent talent on his side too. Again, though, I'm not really convinced how the team will gel together. Maybe I'm just being a big douche, but sometimes you can look at a team and be like wow, they'll really gel and would work and is talented etc etc. Neither stands out to me at the moment - talent is 100% there, quality is 100% there, but I'm yet to read much which says while they'll equal more than the sum of their individual parts when put together.
 
rpitroda said:
I'm at a loss here. I don't particularly rate Aldo's defense, nor do I really like the mix of his midfield 3. But Platini, Weah, and Ronaldo... that's a pretty exceptional combination he's got there. On the other hand, MJJ has a wonderful defense, and decent talent on his side too. Again, though, I'm not really convinced how the team will gel together. Maybe I'm just being a big douche, but sometimes you can look at a team and be like wow, they'll really gel and would work and is talented etc etc. Neither stands out to me at the moment - talent is 100% there, quality is 100% there, but I'm yet to read much which says while they'll equal more than the sum of their individual parts when put together.
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Look at capello's milan and you will see how my team is going to work to some extent.
 
rpitroda said:
I'm at a loss here. I don't particularly rate Aldo's defense, nor do I really like the mix of his midfield 3. But Platini, Weah, and Ronaldo... that's a pretty exceptional combination he's got there. On the other hand, MJJ has a wonderful defense, and decent talent on his side too. Again, though, I'm not really convinced how the team will gel together. Maybe I'm just being a big douche, but sometimes you can look at a team and be like wow, they'll really gel and would work and is talented etc etc. Neither stands out to me at the moment - talent is 100% there, quality is 100% there, but I'm yet to read much which says while they'll equal more than the sum of their individual parts when put together.
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Really? I think one of the fascinating things here is one side is trying to replicate the most devastating attacking partnership I've seen in Serie A (Platini-Boniek, with Cristiano having the roaming role here), while the other has tried to replicate the meanest defence in Serie A history.

Some comments on where the difference between performing or not could be found:

Aldo:

Defensive setup: the back four is very competent. I differ from him in that I see Irwin joinging the attack and the other three reverting to a back three, with Montero competent out left and Bossis out right. Walker is a fine man-marker but Aldo could do with that third man in the middle being a ball-player (suggested future improvement, the rest are absolutely fine and very compatible).

Width: With Irwin bombing up I would have preferred the free-role to be out right, as Weah will likely stay more central so he would be better off on the other side with Irwin providing the width and Lerby also being quite a force down that left side, the right is the flank that needs beefing up with Cristiano there (suggested current improvement).

Getting the best out of the playmakers: This is particularly relevant when you have Guardiola. With Platini around he could be seen as an overkill, and he may become redundant once there's a ball-playing defender and PPlatini still there. For now he is a great outball from deep and you want him to have options. At Barca he had runners upfront and through both fullbacks, here his runners are very concentrated out left, the more you spread them the more he can make a mark on this game (see previous point on swapping the front two around).

Midfield: it's absolutely fine, two very hard-working midfielders, with little to worry about regarding covering flanks (bar supporting Irwin if caught upfield, which Lerby will be superb at), in their element performing both defensive and attacking duties in the knowledge Guardiola has their back as well. Platini is very well supported to free up as a false 9 here, and he will be a nightmare for MJJ.

MJJ:

Defensive setup: awesome back four, incredibly hard to penetrate and being asked to play in a way that suits them (not that they wouldn't rather face an easier task).

Overall setup: it quite simply looks and feels like that great Milan side bar two issues. Least important is that Barnes looks a bit of a misfit to me, but he was a good player so will do well enough for now. He certainly won't be a weak spot, just may not shine brightly. The absolute mare is Gullit's role, you play him as an advanced midfielder linking up the midfield and the attack and anyone would find it very hard not to think Milan instantly. Instead he has an almost exclusive defensive/backline protecting/Platini contention role which is a complete waste of his talent. He is MJJs best player and arguably the most important on the pitch for MJJ. Yes, Baresi is huge and will marshall that defence, etc. but he needs to score to win and Gullit is the key to that. Cantona and Sheva look completely stranded, watching on as the man best suited to execute the transition and link up with them is running around doing a job Ince would be better at anyway. You don't take your best player and stick him in that role, it's shooting yourself in the foot. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's paramount to asking Zidane to focus on playing the Makelele role, how would Henry/Trezeguet ever get the ball? From Pires (Donadoni)? Yeah, occasionally, but why the hell lose Zidane by design in the first place?

So yeah, there are a couple of issues which stop them from performing at their very best and getting the most out of their stars, but everything required is either on the pitch or the bench.
 
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